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if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?

 
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There's no way that you're serious. You ARE aware of free will are you not? He tells us to do good and unfortunately most don't listen. Which is why society and the media are so anti-God. So, who is to blame then? If a parent takes patient love and time to teach you right from wrong and you choose to do wrong, it is not the fault of the parent and don't be mad when you get that much needed spanking. Cased closed, this thread is a waste of space.
 Quoting: cmoG530


why do you assume so much? Do you not understand the concept of if a creator made it, even if his creation made something the CREATOR MADE THEM so THE CREATOR IS RESPONSIBLE. Who is casting blame? It's quite clear by simple principle of if...then. People defend their faiths too much. Faith is something you cannot prove. And faith makes you ignore truth because of it.

That being said, God and Satan are the same just a different polarity. Once you get balanced in mind and alkaline level you quit making excuses for dogma and religion mind programming.

You know how you can tell a programmed mind? By the concepts and the us vs them/good vs bas argument. Once you realize that truth is relative and start to ask yourself real questions you see who is lying and who isn't. Most of our info is disinfo. So you have to truly get into from your gut and intention. Religion can be a good thing if you are honest and use your free will to truly question it. The devil isn't evil, it's just a function of God- if you believe in those concepts.

The fact you are so dismissive and call this thread a waste of space (and those bible quotes on your signature) show that you are on the losing side of the battle and have no real explanation for your beliefs. I wish you the best and hope you take an ACTIVE role in your free will, rather than blaming...
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Not at all. Your failure to realize, is not my issue. I tell you this. I didn't go looking for God. I never thought about God. God came to me. God chose me. So, this isn't something that was sought out and I can surely say, that from the beginning, He watched over me and kept me from doing unforgivable things. If I left God to go back to the old me, it's MY fault. Why? Because I KNOW better, like most do.

God forgives when we don't know, but it's quite different when we do and again, yes this thread is still a waste of space, because even the most amateur of non-believers or agnostics realize this fact. Life or death. Good or evil. That's the only thing we actually have control over. Now, I ask you, will free will be your poison or antidote? You decide home skillet. No one else, but YOU can. You know the Truth. Whether you acknowledge it or not is a whole different story.

I would post Scripture, but it seems like whenever I do, that's when I get banned.

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
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Stop with the BS. Freewill, you have a gun you can hunt for food or you can murder another with it. Hunting for food is positive, murdering another is negative and against Gods Law.

So......you still need it spelled out?


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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
 Quoting: acegotflows


Pay attention.

God did not Create everything.

God Created the physical reality.

God Created the non-dualistic consciousness.

But God did not Create either the dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the dualistic consciousness of the 'thinker'.

The "self" is self-created, by the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, if you read Meditations On First Philosophy by Descartes, you will understand that the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence.

And anything that is self-created is, obviously, not Created by God.

The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities', of course, have NO Knowledge of such things.

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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
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Stop with the BS. Freewill, you have a gun you can hunt for food or you can murder another with it. Hunting for food is positive, murdering another is negative and against Gods Law.

So......you still need it spelled out?


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Sorry the Devil Made Me Do It!

No freewill!


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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
 Quoting: acegotflows


Pay attention.

God did not Create everything.

God Created the physical reality.

God Created the non-dualistic consciousness.

But God did not Create either the dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the dualistic consciousness of the 'thinker'.

The "self" is self-created, by the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, if you read Meditations On First Philosophy by Descartes, you will understand that the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence.

And anything that is self-created is, obviously, not Created by God.

The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities', of course, have NO Knowledge of such things.

Michael
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so we are Gods ourselves? Our thoughts are god-like productions? (PLUG LOL) That makes way more sense than what religions say. Heck, this is closer to what I've felt my whole life. Either They don't have the correct God or they are giving energy to lower level beings and giving up their power as co-creators of reality...


I understand all these concepts. Just because I ask these questions and such does not mean that I'm asking for ME...
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
 Quoting: acegotflows


Stop with the BS. Freewill, you have a gun you can hunt for food or you can murder another with it. Hunting for food is positive, murdering another is negative and against Gods Law.

So......you still need it spelled out?


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the programmed mind always takes a position of dominance and arrogant position while citing the "duality". It's all part of the same and truth is relative. Murdering feeds SOMETHING does it not? It's all God's law...if you believe in that sort of thing
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There's no way that you're serious. You ARE aware of free will are you not? He tells us to do good and unfortunately most don't listen. Which is why society and the media are so anti-God. So, who is to blame then? If a parent takes patient love and time to teach you right from wrong and you choose to do wrong, it is not the fault of the parent and don't be mad when you get that much needed spanking. Cased closed, this thread is a waste of space.
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why do you assume so much? Do you not understand the concept of if a creator made it, even if his creation made something the CREATOR MADE THEM so THE CREATOR IS RESPONSIBLE. Who is casting blame? It's quite clear by simple principle of if...then. People defend their faiths too much. Faith is something you cannot prove. And faith makes you ignore truth because of it.

That being said, God and Satan are the same just a different polarity. Once you get balanced in mind and alkaline level you quit making excuses for dogma and religion mind programming.

You know how you can tell a programmed mind? By the concepts and the us vs them/good vs bas argument. Once you realize that truth is relative and start to ask yourself real questions you see who is lying and who isn't. Most of our info is disinfo. So you have to truly get into from your gut and intention. Religion can be a good thing if you are honest and use your free will to truly question it. The devil isn't evil, it's just a function of God- if you believe in those concepts.

The fact you are so dismissive and call this thread a waste of space (and those bible quotes on your signature) show that you are on the losing side of the battle and have no real explanation for your beliefs. I wish you the best and hope you take an ACTIVE role in your free will, rather than blaming...
 Quoting: acegotflows


Not at all. Your failure to realize, is not my issue. I tell you this. I didn't go looking for God. I never thought about God. God came to me. God chose me. So, this isn't something that was sought out and I can surely say, that from the beginning, He watched over me and kept me from doing unforgivable things. If I left God to go back to the old me, it's MY fault. Why? Because I KNOW better, like most do.

God forgives when we don't know, but it's quite different when we do and again, yes this thread is still a waste of space, because even the most amateur of non-believers or agnostics realize this fact. Life or death. Good or evil. That's the only thing we actually have control over. Now, I ask you, will free will be your poison or antidote? You decide home skillet. No one else, but YOU can. You know the Truth. Whether you acknowledge it or not is a whole different story.

I would post Scripture, but it seems like whenever I do, that's when I get banned.
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You were chosen by God, so was I. Difference between you and I is that I don't use edited agenda driven tools of man to speak for God. Your programmed mindset has you thinking that you are special. You aren't. Just actualized in your position. Hope that works out for you... Whenever you learn something new or get shown what you feel is true or validates your existence you have the responsibility to balance out the equation. You don't seem balanced, why? Look at your references. I grew up in Church. My mother and grandmother were ministers. The Bible is only a tool. it's not the divine word of God. God inspired every word ever, so how do you pick and chose. God inspired these words right here.

Take a deep honest self eval. I'm not lying or making this up. You have your perspective, I have mine...
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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
 Quoting: acegotflows


Pay attention.

God did not Create everything.

God Created the physical reality.

God Created the non-dualistic consciousness.

But God did not Create either the dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the dualistic consciousness of the 'thinker'.

The "self" is self-created, by the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, if you read Meditations On First Philosophy by Descartes, you will understand that the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence.

And anything that is self-created is, obviously, not Created by God.

The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities', of course, have NO Knowledge of such things.

Michael
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This is nice and all Michael.

However, everything is going by the books.

How do you explain that one?

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If everything was created by "God" how is God separated from sin? Either the story isn't true, or that God didn't create everything. Some people say man simply can understand the ways of God, but cmon at least leave a story that makes sense. So what do you believe or know???
 Quoting: acegotflows


Pay attention.

God did not Create everything.

God Created the physical reality.

God Created the non-dualistic consciousness.

But God did not Create either the dualistic consciousness of the "self" or the dualistic consciousness of the 'thinker'.

The "self" is self-created, by the 'movement' of self-reflection.

And, if you read Meditations On First Philosophy by Descartes, you will understand that the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence.

And anything that is self-created is, obviously, not Created by God.

The Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities', of course, have NO Knowledge of such things.

Michael
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This is nice and all Michael.

However, everything is going by the books.

How do you explain that one?

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you see how he still skirts the question at hand? If the books were copied by men and edited over and over, is this all happening by Man or by God? If these holy books are inspired by god But god gave man the breath of life, wouldn't every word by every man be God given? You can't just pick and chose. God is all, so how do you then make exceptions and excuses? That's not of God.... if you believe that sort of thing. We have to step out of belief and into know
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you see how he still skirts the question at hand? If the books were copied by men and edited over and over, is this all happening by Man or by God? If these holy books are inspired by god But god gave man the breath of life, wouldn't every word by every man be God given? You can't just pick and chose. God is all, so how do you then make exceptions and excuses? That's not of God.... if you believe that sort of thing. We have to step out of belief and into know
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How can your word be god given if you have not first set your heart and mind to God before speaking?
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you see how he still skirts the question at hand? If the books were copied by men and edited over and over, is this all happening by Man or by God? If these holy books are inspired by god But god gave man the breath of life, wouldn't every word by every man be God given? You can't just pick and chose. God is all, so how do you then make exceptions and excuses? That's not of God.... if you believe that sort of thing. We have to step out of belief and into know
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How can your word be god given if you have not first set your heart and mind to God before speaking?
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go back further, just by chain it still goes back to If it all came from God, how can any of it then be determined NOT to be of God? The whole thing unravels itself once you really stat thinking about it.

All these divided thoughts are bred by some control mechanism. I feel that people ignore the God in everything for whatever reasons. You always make valid points. Peace
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you see how he still skirts the question at hand? If the books were copied by men and edited over and over, is this all happening by Man or by God? If these holy books are inspired by god But god gave man the breath of life, wouldn't every word by every man be God given? You can't just pick and chose. God is all, so how do you then make exceptions and excuses? That's not of God.... if you believe that sort of thing. We have to step out of belief and into know
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How can your word be god given if you have not first set your heart and mind to God before speaking?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


go back further, just by chain it still goes back to If it all came from God, how can any of it then be determined NOT to be of God? The whole thing unravels itself once you really stat thinking about it.

All these divided thoughts are bred by some control mechanism. I feel that people ignore the God in everything for whatever reasons. You always make valid points. Peace
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Are you the Lord?

Can you proclaim it?

Have you that strength?
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
The Lord God Jesus Christ created EVERYTHING(Colossians 1:16).
In Isaiah 45:7, in the KJV it says God created evil. That's a bad translation and evil should be translated DISASTER.
God creates disaster to get peoples attention, to bring them to repentance etc.
EVIL is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart.
God paid the sin debt of the world. BUT, He stands at the door of the heart and knocks(Rev. 3:20). The Lord does not force Himself on anyone.
Salvation is a FREE GIFT(Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5) by calling upon the name of the Lord(Acts 2:21; Romans 10:9,10,13), asking and receiving Him into your heart by faith(John 1:12).
God made salvation that simple NOBODY need miss it because God is NOT WILLING any should perish(2Peter 3:9). Salvation is an individual CHOICE.
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It's a matter of heart my friend.

Know thyself.

Only you know in your heart your position.

And once you know, then will you speak clearly and truthfully on all things.

Search your own heart.

That's all one can do.

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you see how he still skirts the question at hand? If the books were copied by men and edited over and over, is this all happening by Man or by God? If these holy books are inspired by god But god gave man the breath of life, wouldn't every word by every man be God given? You can't just pick and chose. God is all, so how do you then make exceptions and excuses? That's not of God.... if you believe that sort of thing. We have to step out of belief and into know
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How can your word be god given if you have not first set your heart and mind to God before speaking?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


go back further, just by chain it still goes back to If it all came from God, how can any of it then be determined NOT to be of God? The whole thing unravels itself once you really stat thinking about it.

All these divided thoughts are bred by some control mechanism. I feel that people ignore the God in everything for whatever reasons. You always make valid points. Peace
 Quoting: acegotflows



Are you the Lord?

Can you proclaim it?

Have you that strength?
 Quoting: IAMIAM


Lord is a slave master concept. I just am. Now what I chose to do after that is on me. But at some point we have to stop living in fear and such and just do what we feel in our hearts. If we are trying to balance ourselves, get rid of the chemicals and mental programming tools and get back to matters of the HEART, then that is all the strength one needs. But once you start to eliminate control mechanisms you will see what is real, what is imaginary and what is truth to YOU. Where does one go from there is on you.

I'm on the path just as you are. Peace

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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
It's a matter of heart my friend.

Know thyself.

Only you know in your heart your position.

And once you know, then will you speak clearly and truthfully on all things.

Search your own heart.

That's all one can do.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


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Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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Lord is a slave master concept. I just am. Now what I chose to do after that is on me. But at some point we have to stop living in fear and such and just do what we feel in our hearts. If we are trying to balance ourselves, get rid of the chemicals and mental programming tools and get back to matters of the HEART, then that is all the strength one needs. But once you start to eliminate control mechanisms you will see what is real, what is imaginary and what is truth to YOU. Where does one go from there is on you.

I'm on the path just as you are. Peace
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See, truth is so easy, and it's burden is so light!

Bless you my friend.
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I like this explanation of doubt and fear. hf

Excerpted from page 13 of 'Conversations with God"
· an uncommon dialogue ·
book 1
Neale Donald Walsch
1992 -1994
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And this is the second great illusion of man: that the
outcome of life is in doubt.
It is this doubt about ultimate outcome that has created your greatest enemy, which is fear.
For if you doubt outcome, then you must doubt Creator—you must doubt God. And if you
doubt God, you must live in fear and guilt all your life. If you doubt God’s intentions—and God’s ability to
produce this ultimate result—then how can you ever
relax? How can you ever truly find peace?
Yet God has full power to match intentions with results. You cannot and will not believe in this
(even though you claim that God is all-powerful), and so you have to create in your
imagination a power equal to God, in order that you may find a way for God’s will to be
thwarted. And so you have created in your mythology the being you call “devil.” You have
even imagined a God at war with this being (thinking that God solves problems the way you
do). Finally, you have actually imagined that God could lose this war.
All of this violates everything you say you know about
God, but this doesn’t matter. You live your illusion, and thus feel your fear, all out of your
decision to doubt God.
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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I like this explanation of doubt and fear. hf

Excerpted from page 13 of 'Conversations with God"
· an uncommon dialogue ·
book 1
Neale Donald Walsch
1992 -1994
[link to www.humanitysteam.ru]

And this is the second great illusion of man: that the
outcome of life is in doubt.
It is this doubt about ultimate outcome that has created your greatest enemy, which is fear.
For if you doubt outcome, then you must doubt Creator—you must doubt God. And if you
doubt God, you must live in fear and guilt all your life. If you doubt God’s intentions—and God’s ability to
produce this ultimate result—then how can you ever
relax? How can you ever truly find peace?
Yet God has full power to match intentions with results. You cannot and will not believe in this
(even though you claim that God is all-powerful), and so you have to create in your
imagination a power equal to God, in order that you may find a way for God’s will to be
thwarted. And so you have created in your mythology the being you call “devil.” You have
even imagined a God at war with this being (thinking that God solves problems the way you
do). Finally, you have actually imagined that God could lose this war.
All of this violates everything you say you know about
God, but this doesn’t matter. You live your illusion, and thus feel your fear, all out of your
decision to doubt God.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Perhaps you do not "get it" due to lack of desire? God created all, including the perfect archangel Satan who possessed the best of everything. This was not enuogh for Satan, he wants to be above God himself and he wants us to worship him.

WShen God put us herein this earth with all things necessary and gave us dominion over all he also permitted Satan who is a free agent (that is what we are as well and what Satan continues to dispute God over, our free will). That is the point of contention .

So atan goes about working politically in heaven and down here in this plane of existence, earth, his corrupting ways. Now he has o power of life and death directly with us or angels but he manuevers them into rebellion.

Back at the ranch he seduces Eve into believing that breaking the sole commandment of not eating of the tree of good and evil*knowledge) that she will lsurely not die( a concept for which she really had not a clue as death did not yet exist)but that she and Adam would have the power and knowledge of gods. So, she succumbs and then takes this to Adam, who knowingly breaks it as well. Now we have had corruption enter into this quotient due to this falling away and death will now enter into our dimension, the ultimate corruption of the body. Really simple God gave us elelction, free choice, to love and follow Him or choose another path, freedom in the truest sense.

Since the Satan is ruler of the air and this planet for a short time it is he who controls not making us do anything because it was only over Job he was granted that power, but still tthe power of seduction and the corruption to which I referred is disease, , evil intent translated into evil acts. Our protective armour was stripted away by our choice and we were told this. So when you are told we are subjects and guilty of original sin that is what it means.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Sorry for dropped letters and typos. my attention is divided presently.

You want to know the truth He has provided it and the manner in which you can come into it.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
so we are Gods ourselves?
 Quoting: acegotflows


Because the "self" has created itself, it considers itself equal to THE Creator.

Because the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence, it 'thinks' that it is equal to THE Creator. (See the writings of Dawkins, for example.)

Yes.

This is why the "self" is called the "beast of the sea" and the 'thinker' is called the "beast of the earth".

These beasts are responsible for the evil in the world.

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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
I did create everything from nothing.
In the beginning I created the Heavens and the Earth.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Perhaps you do not "get it" due to lack of desire? God created all, including the perfect archangel Satan who possessed the best of everything.
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The "self" is self-created; that is, NOT Created by God.

You are telling fairy tales for the purpose of entertainment.

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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Personally I have had a full blown spiritual awakening and have seen and felt the awe and glory of what GOD really is. And it is something so far beyond the bible that you would pee yourself if you even caught a glimpse.
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I spent a bit of time in His 'soul-cloud' as I call it. Infinite grey field of consciousness from whence He pulls chosen spirits for certain tasks.

I'm given the realization that when I come out, it is my choice of what time and incarnation I may return to. Before I know, my first thoughts makes the choice, and I return to complete the task at hand of teaching the next generation, of which raising my own two daughters is the focal point.

A voice speaks to me, "Go to your daughters." I know my state of mind, and I know the notion to be awful. I worry if timing is of essence; if there's a fate to dread were I to not listen or be hesitant. I laugh at myself for considering to not listen to the only entity a voice of pure glory could be uttered from.

My younger daughter is stirring in her sleep, upset at something within her state of mind. I sit beside her and earn my penance for a mistake 21 years in the past. I acknowledge and accept the desire; I make the choice to not act upon it.

I place my hand gently on her back and say to myself, "Be still" as her rustling ceases, the ceiling transforms into a canopy of crystals showering gold light down, and the jester laughs his way back into the recesses.

The voice I heard was both and yet neither as it spoke; The Creator pointing me to the selfless penance I am deserving of through His love and The Jester within myself pointing me toward selfish desire.

It was my own free will that decided it was The Creator's guidance I was receiving and not that of the shadow. This is how our shadows work as adversarial allies through the grace of He that created us and them. Both guide us into the very same situations and experiences - it is up to us to decide if we are to grow into the light of selflessness or be complacent within the shadow.

The Lord Creator is the light within us all; His shadow is the adversarial ally within us all that is most misunderstood by the masses. We are made in His image; that which tempts us is the temptation within Him.
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
so we are Gods ourselves?
 Quoting: acegotflows


Because the "self" has created itself, it considers itself equal to THE Creator.

Because the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence, it 'thinks' that it is equal to THE Creator. (See the writings of Dawkins, for example.)

Yes.

This is why the "self" is called the "beast of the sea" and the 'thinker' is called the "beast of the earth".

These beasts are responsible for the evil in the world.

Michael
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So do you feel that you are representing that spirit behind the name Michael? I'm just curious.

Because all that I have said this whole time is this, you create your reality. The duality thing is a ploy on victimization. If God created you, then you can't look at the bad as NOT of god. Because it is. What do you do about it? We all make decisions in thought, action and being that create our reality.

You say the thinker is a beast and self is a beast. I'd argue that the beast is the concept of labels for identification purposes. Why cant everything just be of God?

if scientifically all of the things on this planet are made of the same elements, what is the purpose of dividing things up by labels? It's not to unify. This us vs them needs to stop.

God is not pleased ...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
so we are Gods ourselves?
 Quoting: acegotflows


Because the "self" has created itself, it considers itself equal to THE Creator.

Because the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence, it 'thinks' that it is equal to THE Creator. (See the writings of Dawkins, for example.)

Yes.

This is why the "self" is called the "beast of the sea" and the 'thinker' is called the "beast of the earth".

These beasts are responsible for the evil in the world.

Michael
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Why cant everything just be of God?
 Quoting: acegotflows


When I said "pay attention", I was not talking trivially.

These are serious matters.

Do you see that the "self" creates itself?

Do you see that the 'thinker 'thinks' itself into existence?

The answer is either yes or no.

There is no question of "why?"

The question is whether you see this.

If you see this, then you will see that these dimensions of consciousness were NOT Created 'by and in the image of God' and that the consciousness that was Created by and in the image of God is something completely different than the "self" and the 'thinker'.

This is the starting point, without which the next step cannot be taken at all.

Michael
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
so we are Gods ourselves?
 Quoting: acegotflows


Because the "self" has created itself, it considers itself equal to THE Creator.

Because the 'thinker' 'thinks' itself into existence, it 'thinks' that it is equal to THE Creator. (See the writings of Dawkins, for example.)

Yes.

This is why the "self" is called the "beast of the sea" and the 'thinker' is called the "beast of the earth".

These beasts are responsible for the evil in the world.

Michael
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Why cant everything just be of God?
 Quoting: acegotflows


When I said "pay attention", I was not talking trivially.

These are serious matters.

Do you see that the "self" creates itself?

Do you see that the 'thinker 'thinks' itself into existence?

The answer is either yes or no.

There is no question of "why?"

The question is whether you see this.

If you see this, then you will see that these dimensions of consciousness were NOT Created 'by and in the image of God' and that the consciousness that was Created by and in the image of God is something completely different than the "self" and the 'thinker'.

This is the starting point, without which the next step cannot be taken at all.

Michael
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this makes sense. I get it.

So now what? What do you suggest because you seem to be aware of these things???
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
You say the thinker is a beast and self is a beast. I'd argue that the beast is the concept of labels for identification purposes.
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The "beast of the sea" "self" is not merely a concept.

That "beast"--the "self" of, literally, thousands of religious 'authorities'--is censoring and suppressing the Truth about the Doctrine of "resurrection" being a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'. That is, they are censoring that Truth for their own "self"-interests: their pride, their jobs, their wealth and their power.

That is not merely a "concept". The censorship of that Truth is directly responsible for the bloodshed between Jews, Christians and Muslims in the Middle East.

Neither is that bloodshed merely a "concept".

It is real blood.

Just like the "self" is a real beast.

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Re: if "God" created everything why do people still blame the "devil"?
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

"These are Forces, which in effect, are purifiers, you see. These are those, which clear the way for the creation of that which can bring about harmony.

"Here we begin at a point where there are two brothers, so to say: One is the Light and one is the Darkness. These brothers love their Father without limit, beyond reservation or any such. Their love is complete. Both are of pure intent unto God.

"The 'forces of destruction' or the forces of opposition are creations of consciousness in Earth, or in the minds called human or finite. Those minds, which are unlimited or infinite, have no sense of the description of destruction, as you call this. A Force of God cannot de-struct or de-structure that which is created of God. There is naught which can do this."

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