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Clyde X

Regulated means that we all abide by rules.

Since these are rights we are protecting, I would imagine any rational human being would only act in self-defense.


Therefore, a well regulated militia would be one that all sees murder as wrong and self defense as right. Yes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1589374

Murder is always wrong - and there was absolutely no connotation to such in what I wrote.

"A well regulated militia" does absolutely and unequivocally mean familiar/ skilled, otherwise they would be failing in their accepted responsibilities as "militia".

Where did this question even come from? How would you or anyone else see justification of murder in the 2nd Amendment?
 Quoting: ClydeX

You misunderstand me.

If you give rise to the idea that no one but trained soldiers have the right to a weapon, the 2nd amendment is gone.

'We The People' have the right to defend ourselves with a gun.

This is indisputable. It is about an individual right, not a collective one.

This is an individual right. We were not meant to be part of some citizen army.

Our right to self defense was the meaning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1589374

My sincere apologies - yes, I did misunderstand your question. Maybe with all of the conflict that tends to walk into these threads I presumed there was a set up in there somewhere. Again - my apologies.

The 2nd Amendment definitely does not convey that only "trained soldiers" should have the right for a weapon - if "trained soldiers" refers to only those who served in a Combat Arms position of the current military.

Conversely, I emphatically believe that it stipulates that each and every American citizen not only has the right, but also the moral, ethical, and social responsibility and obligation to possess weapons, as well as be proficient in their use, while being ready and prepared to defend their property, village/ town, county, state, or even the country. This, in my personal opinion, is the greatest overlooked part of the 2nd Amendment.

Just as the Bible conveys to Christians that no one owns us, and directs us that we are to study, listen, and prepare while teaching others; the 2nd Amendment conveys the same to the citizenry.

The Founding Fathers knew that this step was crucial in the very security and ultimate success of the nation, and conveyed an associated responsibility to each citizen - more of a responsibility of ownership. Ownership of not only the weapons specifically, but also in the fulfillment of the citizenry's responsibilities of ownership of the nation, as this belief has its roots in the ideology that no specific person or group of persons would "own" the United States of America.

Today, however, the citizenry at large cares nothing of ownership of this country -since that means taking on the responsibility associated with such, but have become much more comfortable being owned - but that's another rant for another thread.
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