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Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind

 
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it was their decision.

you better respect that.
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Nope, it was murder and suicide is murder, whether carried out by self or others. this is against the laws of God, to murder another human being.
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I think we should euthanize Belgium.
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Dear mister bibletard,

I think you shouldn't judge over others.
You don't think for yourself so don't try to speak for yourself.

Have a nice live living in ignorance.
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Funny since people like you in never la la land tend to be biggest brainwashed douchebags in the world. Fuck off.
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"People like you"
You don't know me.
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You hide behind AC, pussy.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
But true!
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write here the medical condition then..that makes adult twins go blind both at the same time?
 Quoting: wildhoney


Perhaps macular degeneration?
 Quoting: Keepin It Real


Thats what I thought..but its treatable..
 Quoting: wildhoney


not really.
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Dear mister bibletard,

I think you shouldn't judge over others.
You don't think for yourself so don't try to speak for yourself.

Have a nice live living in ignorance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15517493


Funny since people like you in never la la land tend to be biggest brainwashed douchebags in the world. Fuck off.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


"People like you"
You don't know me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15517493


You hide behind AC, pussy.
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Yes I am a AC.
Yes I have a opinion.
No I don't hide but I dislike the random bans.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
it was their decision.

you better respect that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15310506


Nope, it was murder and suicide is murder, whether carried out by self or others. this is against the laws of God, to murder another human being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


I own my own life. You obviously don't.

It's a sad thing outsiders don't seem to grasp the concept of euthanasia. It's about ending suffering without a chance of improving.

My dad had terminal lungcancer, and did suffer immensely towards the end. We asked for euthanasia, which was denied as my dad just went into comateuse condition. He died a few days later.

A lot of respect for Belgium, and the family of the twins, and the doctors that ended their suffering.

Peace out.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
it was their decision.

you better respect that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15310506


Nope, it was murder and suicide is murder, whether carried out by self or others. this is against the laws of God, to murder another human being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


I own my own life. You obviously don't.

It's a sad thing outsiders don't seem to grasp the concept of euthanasia. It's about ending suffering without a chance of improving.

My dad had terminal lungcancer, and did suffer immensely towards the end. We asked for euthanasia, which was denied as my dad just went into comateuse condition. He died a few days later.

A lot of respect for Belgium, and the family of the twins, and the doctors that ended their suffering.

Peace out.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32129936


And to add:

The euthanized person has to give consent, if he can't, then before he loses the ability to give consent, he has to transfer his authority to family. They have to give consent, and the doctor has to give consent.

It's all very strictly arranged, that's why my dad didn't get euthanized.
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it was their decision.

you better respect that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15310506

I respect their weakness.

But i dont encourage it.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
But true!
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write here the medical condition then..that makes adult twins go blind both at the same time?
 Quoting: wildhoney


Perhaps macular degeneration?
 Quoting: Keepin It Real


Thats what I thought..but its treatable..
 Quoting: wildhoney


yeah with painfully wicked needles in your eyes.. that leave you blind for days... My grandmother is going through that.. Not cool if you don't have to
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write here the medical condition then..that makes adult twins go blind both at the same time?
 Quoting: wildhoney


Perhaps macular degeneration?
 Quoting: Keepin It Real


Thats what I thought..but its treatable..
 Quoting: wildhoney


yeah with painfully wicked needles in your eyes.. that leave you blind for days... My grandmother is going through that.. Not cool if you don't have to
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I've been through those treatments. Currently my condition is stable.

They can only treat the symptoms, but there is no cure. The leaks cause retina detachments and scarring. The injections cause scarring and thinning of the retina.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
YAY! Good decision. I am sick of do-gooders and the authorities pissing on peoples choice. They made one and stuck to it...good for them. They felt limited and didnt want more of same. Cant say I blame them.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
it was their decision.

you better respect that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15310506


Nope, it was murder and suicide is murder, whether carried out by self or others. this is against the laws of God, to murder another human being.
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just your opinion pussycat....and its not a nice one
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
I am 100% pro letting one choose to die. seen to many suffer a godless hell godless cause no mercy!
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
it was their decision.

you better respect that.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15310506


Nope, it was murder and suicide is murder, whether carried out by self or others. this is against the laws of God, to murder another human being.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


we'll see how you feel when you're deprived of almost al sensory perception.

if i go deaf & blind, i'll gladly fuck off.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
it was their decision.

you better respect that.
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I think we should euthanize Belgium.
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lol go cry fatboi

liberty for all!

if it besuits US

whatever
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
A very sad and depressing tale. I would never second guess or judge people in such situations harshly. I've witness numerous tragedies in my life of people who should have been allowed to die with some dignity rather than live but under horrible conditions. Children with no arms or legs...soldiers and others with 3rd degree burns over 905 of their bodies, missing limbs, one young man lost ALL his limbs...I don't understand why it's so wrong to just help these poor folks die with some dignity at the time of their injuries. It's the far more humane thing to do than just keeping them alive just because it's technically possible, or even that they're used as guinea pigs.
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A very sad and depressing tale. I would never second guess or judge people in such situations harshly. I've witness numerous tragedies in my life of people who should have been allowed to die with some dignity rather than live but under horrible conditions. Children with no arms or legs...soldiers and others with 3rd degree burns over 905 of their bodies, missing limbs, one young man lost ALL his limbs...I don't understand why it's so wrong to just help these poor folks die with some dignity at the time of their injuries. It's the far more humane thing to do than just keeping them alive just because it's technically possible, or even that they're used as guinea pigs.
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Not everybody with a serious disability wants to die. Some find purpose in life and are an inspiration to others. There can be undue pressure on these people from both sides of the issue.

And what about advances in technology. What if both the blindness and or deafness can be corrected in the near future with new treatments. Was that looked into or were they considered worth the effort? Maybe so, but I would be curious to know.

see link below about this man. A lot of people would say his life has no value.

[link to www.bing.com]
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At 4;05 in this video she states that in France it is "illegal" to commit suicide using Barbiturates.

WTF? Illegal?

What the HELL do they do when you break this law? Put your corpse in jail, and remove the fine from whats left in your bank account?

Geezzzz
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
it was their decision.

you better respect that.
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I think we should euthanize Belgium.
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lol go cry fatboi

liberty for all!

if it besuits US

whatever
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15310506


You're obviously suffering from severe retardation.

I can't stand to see you suffer.

Euthanize Belgium now. Stop the misery.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
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The comments on the uk article were very pro-euthanasia.

I had hope to find some outrage about it on predominantly American glp.

I am saddened by most of the comments here (and irritated by the two posters name-calling each other and diverting the thread).

Human hearts are evidently growing blacker by the minute in this post-Christian world.

How low will it be allowed to go? That I fear.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
Twins should be able to cope, at least they had each other. This is why people need to reject state sponsored murder, what reason won't they find to murder us?
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It's ok to euthanize a pet that is in pain and is suffering, but a human being shouldn't be able to make the choice to end his own life instead of enduring more pain and suffering? I don't condone murder in any way, shape, or form, but a human being ought to have the right to choose a peaceful death if his quality of life has been diminished by lingering illness or disease. Give me liberty or give me death!

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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
I watched most of the video that was posted about this lady Michelle who went to Switzerland to die.
Sure she made her choice, so be it.

However, there are some questions that stand out about all of this.

First, this lady wasn't all that ill. How do they determine that someone isn't just going through a serious period of depression? How to they know the depression isn't causing the suicidal feelings or that it can't be treated?

How to they disregard new medical breakthroughs that are on the horizon that could potentially improve this person's quality of life and that they aren't worth waiting for?

How do they prevent a slippery slope once this is widely accepted? If and when this does become widely accepted, there will come a point when certain people are encouraged to use this option, perhaps even coerced..especially if they require a lot of care and are told they are a burden to others.

I do not see how this cannot progress from the point it is right now to the point where people end up being coerced into this at some point in the future..especially as the cost of medical care rises and resources become more scarce with an aging population.

If it is truly your choice, that is one thing, but there is no way it will stop there. What will you do if you really want to live, but you caretakers tell you you are a burden..you are selfish for wanting to continue to live. You really don't think that will eventually happen??

If not, think a little harder.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
A very sad and depressing tale. I would never second guess or judge people in such situations harshly. I've witness numerous tragedies in my life of people who should have been allowed to die with some dignity rather than live but under horrible conditions. Children with no arms or legs...soldiers and others with 3rd degree burns over 905 of their bodies, missing limbs, one young man lost ALL his limbs...I don't understand why it's so wrong to just help these poor folks die with some dignity at the time of their injuries. It's the far more humane thing to do than just keeping them alive just because it's technically possible, or even that they're used as guinea pigs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26512571


Not everybody with a serious disability wants to die. Some find purpose in life and are an inspiration to others. There can be undue pressure on these people from both sides of the issue.

And what about advances in technology. What if both the blindness and or deafness can be corrected in the near future with new treatments. Was that looked into or were they considered worth the effort? Maybe so, but I would be curious to know.

see link below about this man. A lot of people would say his life has no value.

[link to www.bing.com]
 Quoting: Fuddy-Duddy


Technological advances are remarkable and miracles sometimes do happen after all hope has been lost, but at what point should the decision be left up to the individual? Why should a person be denied the liberty to choose a painless death instead of waiting for a cure or miracle that, in all likelihood, will never come? I think that euthanasia to escape terminal illness ADDS value to life because it allows a person to die with dignity, with their memory intact. The process of dying is hard to watch and even harder to experience I can imagine. Why force an ill person to experience that if their choice is to end their own life peacefully?
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
Death is not a restful state, or without potential pain.

Those who have decided to narrow the bounds of knowledge and reality to mere matter are playing a dangerous game with their souls. Materialism was created by Epicurus not as science, but rather as a a form of therapy to help sinners ignore the reality of the afterlife.

The irony of it all is that the pain and suffering that sinners try to escape from through suicide and other forms of escapism, is pain and suffering that they have created by their own willful disobedience and sin.

There is a way to repair the damage done by sin, but it is not suicide. Death is the consequence, not the solution.
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
this wasn't life threatening I don't think they should have done this... to me they committed suicide cause they were afraid of going blind.. just cause they had a doctor do it....

doesnt matter still suicide.. they took their own life...

I dunno... but I guess being deaf and blind sucks bad...

I guess I could see their point
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Since so many US troops are choosing to commit suicide,
should the US military offer troops euthanasia ??




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Now if your looking for someone to leave your money to just call me and I will ensure it goes to your cause. (or my bank account whatever works)
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
A very sad and depressing tale. I would never second guess or judge people in such situations harshly. I've witness numerous tragedies in my life of people who should have been allowed to die with some dignity rather than live but under horrible conditions. Children with no arms or legs...soldiers and others with 3rd degree burns over 905 of their bodies, missing limbs, one young man lost ALL his limbs...I don't understand why it's so wrong to just help these poor folks die with some dignity at the time of their injuries. It's the far more humane thing to do than just keeping them alive just because it's technically possible, or even that they're used as guinea pigs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26512571


Not everybody with a serious disability wants to die. Some find purpose in life and are an inspiration to others. There can be undue pressure on these people from both sides of the issue.

And what about advances in technology. What if both the blindness and or deafness can be corrected in the near future with new treatments. Was that looked into or were they considered worth the effort? Maybe so, but I would be curious to know.

see link below about this man. A lot of people would say his life has no value.

[link to www.bing.com]
 Quoting: Fuddy-Duddy


Technological advances are remarkable and miracles sometimes do happen after all hope has been lost, but at what point should the decision be left up to the individual? Why should a person be denied the liberty to choose a painless death instead of waiting for a cure or miracle that, in all likelihood, will never come? I think that euthanasia to escape terminal illness ADDS value to life because it allows a person to die with dignity, with their memory intact. The process of dying is hard to watch and even harder to experience I can imagine. Why force an ill person to experience that if their choice is to end their own life peacefully?
 Quoting: casseopeia



Just theoretically speaking, it seems you are making a logical argument. "Theoretically", that is. Real life application often differs.

In my personal opinion, I have no desire to interfere with anybody's free will in what they decide to do.

I do have concerns about the medical community becoming involved in this practice and in what direction it would lead "in reality"...not in just debating it.

The potential for abuse is so big...In fact, it is so big, I don't see how abuse can be avoided.

Sure, there will be strict guidelines in the beginning, but as time passes, they will surely be relaxed little by little. I just don't see it leading to anywhere but a darker place where eventually, people are coerced, or perhaps even misled in order to "get them out of the way".

You may think that sounds ridiculous now, but you'd be amazed how dramatically attitudes can change in short spans of time. Just look at the difference in attitudes today vs. 20 years ago on a multitude of issues. Why would this be different?
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Re: Deaf twin brothers killed by euthanasia in Belgium after discovering they were going blind
A very sad and depressing tale. I would never second guess or judge people in such situations harshly. I've witness numerous tragedies in my life of people who should have been allowed to die with some dignity rather than live but under horrible conditions. Children with no arms or legs...soldiers and others with 3rd degree burns over 905 of their bodies, missing limbs, one young man lost ALL his limbs...I don't understand why it's so wrong to just help these poor folks die with some dignity at the time of their injuries. It's the far more humane thing to do than just keeping them alive just because it's technically possible, or even that they're used as guinea pigs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26512571


Not everybody with a serious disability wants to die. Some find purpose in life and are an inspiration to others. There can be undue pressure on these people from both sides of the issue.

And what about advances in technology. What if both the blindness and or deafness can be corrected in the near future with new treatments. Was that looked into or were they considered worth the effort? Maybe so, but I would be curious to know.

see link below about this man. A lot of people would say his life has no value.

[link to www.bing.com]
 Quoting: Fuddy-Duddy


Technological advances are remarkable and miracles sometimes do happen after all hope has been lost, but at what point should the decision be left up to the individual? Why should a person be denied the liberty to choose a painless death instead of waiting for a cure or miracle that, in all likelihood, will never come? I think that euthanasia to escape terminal illness ADDS value to life because it allows a person to die with dignity, with their memory intact. The process of dying is hard to watch and even harder to experience I can imagine. Why force an ill person to experience that if their choice is to end their own life peacefully?
 Quoting: casseopeia



Just theoretically speaking, it seems you are making a logical argument. "Theoretically", that is. Real life application often differs.

In my personal opinion, I have no desire to interfere with anybody's free will in what they decide to do.

I do have concerns about the medical community becoming involved in this practice and in what direction it would lead "in reality"...not in just debating it.

The potential for abuse is so big...In fact, it is so big, I don't see how abuse can be avoided.

Sure, there will be strict guidelines in the beginning, but as time passes, they will surely be relaxed little by little. I just don't see it leading to anywhere but a darker place where eventually, people are coerced, or perhaps even misled in order to "get them out of the way".

You may think that sounds ridiculous now, but you'd be amazed how dramatically attitudes can change in short spans of time. Just look at the difference in attitudes today vs. 20 years ago on a multitude of issues. Why would this be different?
 Quoting: Fuddy-Duddy


I get where you're coming from. Of course, one of the biggest objections to physician assisted suicide is that it allows for people to be murdered out of convenience. It's a slippery slope for sure.

I have read a lot about right-to-die and I'm still not sure where it falls in the Hippocratic oath. Physicians make an oath not to administer a lethal dose of medication, but they also make an oath to do no harm. There are times when it seems that prolonging a life is doing more harm than good. Is there a middle ground?
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Politicians are blind, deaf and dumb...
should they be euthanized ?






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