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What's the usefulness of a gun?

 
Demosthenes77

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A gun is useful for many thing most of which are mentioned above. The most important reason to have a gun is defend your country and your freedom.

Right now we have a jackass of a President who fancies himself King of America. Our Constitution protects us from that by limiting the powers of each branch of the government. In the event that all of the checks and balances fail, the Second Amendment is the teeth of the Constitution.

"Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


It was not written so we had guns to hunt, or for defense against criminals (although I'm glad I have them for that) but rather to guarantee the power of the government remain with the people.

Our Declaration of Independence states:

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

Without weapons equal to that of the nations military, this would be nearly impossible. In my opinion this would make many current gun restrictions unconstitutional. All of our Military and Law enforcement are also sworn to protect the ideals of the constitution, so hopefully it would never come to point of our citizens having to use our guns on our own government. With that said, with President Bush's Patriot act passage (Biden actually wrote it in 1995) and Mr. Obama's willingness to ignore the Constitution and not be called out on it, who knows where this is going.
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Guns are made to kill. It does not matter if its is a duck, a deer, a robber, a rapist or a tyrant.

The best use of a gun is self protection and the eventual killing of tyrants and their agents. If a tyrant is dead set on killing the opposition, then its much better if the opposition can kill 1 or more of they tyrants agents before they themselves are killed.

Otherwise the tyrants agents just keep killing.

When hunting, self protection and killing tyrants is not necessary, the gun usually just sits in the gun safe until its needed.
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really in the 21st century? this is a bit of romanticism don't you think?
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You live in a nice gated community full of braindead White libs just like you don't you?

One day you'll meet 3 or 4 negroids in an alley and the biggest one will tell you, "I need your wallet muddyfuggah." Then you'll know the answer to your question.
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You hang around in alleys? That might be part of the problem then. If you go to the places criminals hang out, you might just want to expect problems to arise from it.
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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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Do you own a fire extinguisher?

Have you ever been in a fire?

When your house is on fire is not the time to run out and buy one.
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Seriously however, and yes I know some people will find this offensive, but it's the fact of the matter.

The purpose of a firearm other than hunting and target shooting is...

To allow a person to feel safer. It gives a person that would otherwise be very fearful of the world a small chance to feel larger, more self-confident and safe from most harm.

Does this mean that many gun owners are cowardly people, afraid of the world, so seek to protect themselves from phantom tyrants, criminals and attacks?

Yes.

But that is the real reason behind gun ownership. As long as most don't abuse the privilege, I see no reason to force scared people into being unarmed either.
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A gun is useful for many thing most of which are mentioned above. (1) The most important reason to have a gun is defend your country and your freedom.

(2) Right now we have a jackass of a President who fancies himself King of America. Our Constitution protects us from that by limiting the powers of each branch of the government. In the event that all of the checks and balances fail, the Second Amendment is the teeth of the Constitution.

"Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


(3) It was not written so we had guns to hunt, or for defense against criminals (although I'm glad I have them for that) but rather to guarantee the power of the government remain with the people.

Our Declaration of Independence states:

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

Without weapons equal to that of the nations military, this would be nearly impossible. In my opinion this would make many current gun restrictions unconstitutional. All of our Military and Law enforcement are also sworn to protect the ideals of the constitution, so hopefully it would never come to point of our citizens having to use our guns on our own government. With that said, with President Bush's Patriot act passage (Biden actually wrote it in 1995) and Mr. Obama's willingness to ignore the Constitution and not be called out on it, who knows where this is going.
 Quoting: Demosthenes77


1. This is a vague arm waiving assertion. There is no evidence for it. How in 21st century American can you do this?

2. Has he told you this personally? What actions he has implemented cause you to think like this?

3. How does this carry over into the 21st century. Armies and governments are to powerful for a gun in the hand of a average civilian to make a difference.

Also i'm pretty sure the constitution has been ignored a lot longer than Obama. So you cant pin that only on him.
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no takers?
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It's a stupid question. Why did the government order 2Billion bullets? To go hunting? What?
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no takers?
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It's a stupid question. Why did the government order 2Billion bullets? To go hunting? What?
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you tell me since i'm asking stupid questions.
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No, Not today's version of "Progressives".
They were Revolutionaries, Rebels, Freedom Fighters yes.
The current version of "Progressives are nothing but cloaked Communists.
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To the british they were terrorists. one many freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

all progressives are commies, thats kind of a broad brush stroke don't you think?
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That's ridiculous. You need to get acquainted with a dictionary
The idea-logs of Progressives and Communists are the same.
Do you own research on who started and is behind the Progressive movement in the US. I'll give you a hint, they are Communists.
They are using the Progressive moniker because of the stigma of the name "Communist" but underneath they are one and the same.
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Ruger Firearms has made it exceedingly simple to contact all of your reps with just a mouse-click.

Go here: [link to www.ruger.com]

I just did.

Thank you!

Your message for "Gun Owner Call to Action" was sent on 01/14/2013 10:13 AM to the following recipients: President Barack Obama (D), Vice President Joseph Biden (D), Sen. Bill Nelson (D-FL), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-FL), Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-FL), Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL), Lt. Gov. Jennifer Carroll (R-FL), Sen. Jack Latvala (R-FL), Rep. Carl Zimmermann (D-FL), Atty. General Pam Bondi (R-FL)

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A gun is useful for many thing most of which are mentioned above. (1) The most important reason to have a gun is defend your country and your freedom.

(2) Right now we have a jackass of a President who fancies himself King of America. Our Constitution protects us from that by limiting the powers of each branch of the government. In the event that all of the checks and balances fail, the Second Amendment is the teeth of the Constitution.

"Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


(3) It was not written so we had guns to hunt, or for defense against criminals (although I'm glad I have them for that) but rather to guarantee the power of the government remain with the people.

Our Declaration of Independence states:

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

Without weapons equal to that of the nations military, this would be nearly impossible. In my opinion this would make many current gun restrictions unconstitutional. All of our Military and Law enforcement are also sworn to protect the ideals of the constitution, so hopefully it would never come to point of our citizens having to use our guns on our own government. With that said, with President Bush's Patriot act passage (Biden actually wrote it in 1995) and Mr. Obama's willingness to ignore the Constitution and not be called out on it, who knows where this is going.
 Quoting: Demosthenes77


1. This is a vague arm waiving assertion. There is no evidence for it. How in 21st century American can you do this?

2. Has he told you this personally? What actions he has implemented cause you to think like this?

3. How does this carry over into the 21st century. Armies and governments are to powerful for a gun in the hand of a average civilian to make a difference.

Also i'm pretty sure the constitution has been ignored a lot longer than Obama. So you cant pin that only on him.
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While you are right on your fourth point (which i mentioned one example of), and I would love to debate the rest with an intelligent open minded person, I think that you are neither. After reading your responses to other posts you certainly are not open minded and are probably just a shill looking to stir up trouble, but you are entitled to your opinion, and if you feel that you are safe with the police protecting you and you trust your government will always have your best interest in mind, I hope you are right.
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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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Plain and simple ....the usefulness of a gun is preservation of life. Whether hunting for food, preventing a crime or defending against invasion.

If you do not understand that, you are too stupid to live as a free man.
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To the british they were terrorists. one many freedom fighter is another mans terrorist.

all progressives are commies, thats kind of a broad brush stroke don't you think?
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That's ridiculous. You need to get acquainted with a dictionary
The idea-logs of Progressives and Communists are the same.
Do you own research on who started and is behind the Progressive movement in the US. I'll give you a hint, they are Communists.
They are using the Progressive moniker because of the stigma of the name "Communist" but underneath they are one and the same.
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again you are brushing in broad strokes.

Progressivism is not monolithic. progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform.

Progressivism in the United States is a broadly based reform movement that reached its height early in the 20th century and is generally considered to be middle class and reformist in nature. It arose as a response to the vast changes brought by modernization, such as the growth of large corporations and railroads, and fears of corruption in American politics.

Communism is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order.

progressivism is not communism.
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A gun is useful for many thing most of which are mentioned above. (1) The most important reason to have a gun is defend your country and your freedom.

(2) Right now we have a jackass of a President who fancies himself King of America. Our Constitution protects us from that by limiting the powers of each branch of the government. In the event that all of the checks and balances fail, the Second Amendment is the teeth of the Constitution.

"Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."


(3) It was not written so we had guns to hunt, or for defense against criminals (although I'm glad I have them for that) but rather to guarantee the power of the government remain with the people.

Our Declaration of Independence states:

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

Without weapons equal to that of the nations military, this would be nearly impossible. In my opinion this would make many current gun restrictions unconstitutional. All of our Military and Law enforcement are also sworn to protect the ideals of the constitution, so hopefully it would never come to point of our citizens having to use our guns on our own government. With that said, with President Bush's Patriot act passage (Biden actually wrote it in 1995) and Mr. Obama's willingness to ignore the Constitution and not be called out on it, who knows where this is going.
 Quoting: Demosthenes77


1. This is a vague arm waiving assertion. There is no evidence for it. How in 21st century American can you do this?

2. Has he told you this personally? What actions he has implemented cause you to think like this?

3. How does this carry over into the 21st century. Armies and governments are to powerful for a gun in the hand of a average civilian to make a difference.

Also i'm pretty sure the constitution has been ignored a lot longer than Obama. So you cant pin that only on him.
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While you are right on your fourth point (which i mentioned one example of), and I would love to debate the rest with an intelligent open minded person, I think that you are neither. After reading your responses to other posts you certainly are not open minded and are probably just a shill looking to stir up trouble, but you are entitled to your opinion, and if you feel that you are safe with the police protecting you and you trust your government will always have your best interest in mind, I hope you are right.
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What have i said that was closed minded?
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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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The same reason that causes Police officers carry guns!
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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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The same reason that causes Police officers carry guns!
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you and i are not police officers
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Here you go.

[link to www.nraila.org]

There's your answer OP.

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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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The same reason that causes Police officers carry guns!
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you and i are not police officers
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It's an insurance policy against criminals, foreign and domestic. It's just sits there until needed, like a fire extinguisher.

It's usefulness because it's a lot easier to fight back with. The great equalizer as Sam Colt said.
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hunting, shootin cans, maybe self defence but depends on caliber.


would love to have a colt peacemaker though or a 870 remington
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Depending on your circumstances hunting is not a leisure activity, it is a matter of life and death.

As long as others have them who wish to do me or others harm there is NOTHING else that is as effective.

Having said that, I hope to never have to use one for self-defense but if I do there is nothing else that is as effective.
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so are you saying hunting is not a leisure activity in the US?


who wants to cause you harm?

You didn't really explain the utility just potential utility. is there any other tool people use that is for potential utility?
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yeah - your dick - if your wife is on the pill it is potential utility
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Depending on your circumstances hunting is not a leisure activity, it is a matter of life and death.

As long as others have them who wish to do me or others harm there is NOTHING else that is as effective.

Having said that, I hope to never have to use one for self-defense but if I do there is nothing else that is as effective.
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so are you saying hunting is not a leisure activity in the US?


who wants to cause you harm?

You didn't really explain the utility just potential utility. is there any other tool people use that is for potential utility?
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yeah - your dick - if your wife is on the pill it is potential utility
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and the leisure rating is up there too!!!
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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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The same reason that causes Police officers carry guns!
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you and i are not police officers
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The Police carry guns to defend themselves and to enforce the law.
In most States it is allowed for a citizen to make arrests and to use deadly force to prevent another from committing a murder or other crimes(i.e. law enforcement). It is also allowed for any law enforcement officer to " deputize" a citizen at any time, to assist in the enforcement of the Law, including the carrying and use of a gun.

Do you have any idea what is required, or might be required of a citizen, under your state laws? I doubt it.

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i'm not asking for brothers uncles stories. has anybody on here personally used one for protection?
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yep, several times. Robbery attempts.
Without them i would be history by now.
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You could think of it as an insurance policy.

You don't prepare for the worst AFTER it happens. Most don't learn from the past and is why it keeps repeating itself. We were given our rights for OUR protection. Giving our rights up puts our lives into the hands of strangers. Our lives are OUR responsibility. The ones that don't want that responsibility will pay the price of it. The government and police know very well they rarely prevent crime. They show up after a crime has already been commited. They can not be every where at all times(nor wanted) when needed. Armed and trained citizens are the best defense against crime.

Take a look at every major city. LA, D.C., NYC, Chicago, NJ, etc. They all have the strictest gun laws in the nation. Guess what else they have? The highest crime rate in the nation. You want to outlaw guns? Only the outlaws will have guns.
“You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.” John Adams, Second President of the United States
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You could think of it as an insurance policy.

You don't prepare for the worst AFTER it happens. Most don't learn from the past and is why it keeps repeating itself. We were given our rights for OUR protection. Giving our rights up puts our lives into the hands of strangers. Our lives are OUR responsibility. The ones that don't want that responsibility will pay the price of it. The government and police know very well they rarely prevent crime. They show up after a crime has already been commited. They can not be every where at all times(nor wanted) when needed. Armed and trained citizens are the best defense against crime.

Take a look at every major city. LA, D.C., NYC, Chicago, NJ, etc. They all have the strictest gun laws in the nation. Guess what else they have? The highest crime rate in the nation. You want to outlaw guns? Only the outlaws will have guns.
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outlaws and cops - uh, sorry for repeating myself
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You could think of it as an insurance policy.

You don't prepare for the worst AFTER it happens. Most don't learn from the past and is why it keeps repeating itself. We were given our rights for OUR protection. Giving our rights up puts our lives into the hands of strangers. Our lives are OUR responsibility. The ones that don't want that responsibility will pay the price of it. The government and police know very well they rarely prevent crime. They show up after a crime has already been commited. They can not be every where at all times(nor wanted) when needed. Armed and trained citizens are the best defense against crime.

Take a look at every major city. LA, D.C., NYC, Chicago, NJ, etc. They all have the strictest gun laws in the nation. Guess what else they have? The highest crime rate in the nation. You want to outlaw guns? Only the outlaws will have guns.
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outlaws and cops - uh, sorry for repeating myself
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If cops act outside of the law then they are outlaws. It doesn't matter what costume someone has on. Violating our rights is acting outside of the only law that matters.
“You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe.” John Adams, Second President of the United States
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other than leisure activities hunting, target shooting, etc. what other point is there to have a gun? Has anybody on here used one for self-defense or home defense? Or is owning one just a tradition?
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Here are 56 million reasons:

In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

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China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

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Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
Ban guns to "save the children" but killing them in the womb is totally cool......I see; it makes perfect sense now.
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Perogative. For all or some of the reasons mentioned and for protection. Switzerland is armed and so is Israel. The Swiss being so diverse in borders of the French, Italians, Germans, etc. require all their citizens to be armed and to do service in training to use them and they war with no one, they are neutral. To d efend ourselves against tryrants and to be an example of a free country that we once enjoyed and desire to continue to enjoy.

Your response to the person who tried to give you a personal example via his family was rude and discourteous.

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