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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31949143 United States01/14/2013 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an atheist let me tell you my point of view. I was raised catholic and belived untill i was prob around 25-28 yrs old. Then through studies of the universe, the world (as it is) and human behavior, it became clear what religion (all of them) are. In short it is the human need to explain the unknown coupled with the fear of non-existence that drives it. I belive when we die we become what we were before we were born...nothing. It did'nt bother me for the billions of years before i was born, and won't bother me after either. God is a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel so unimportant, that everything they do is for nothing....when the truth is, if (i mean when) human are gone from the earth (and we will be, this is fact) we will be as forgotten as every other extinct creature that ever was. Now, I am very happy with my life, I have 3 kids a wife and a great job, I am at peace with what I know, and fell pitty for those who lend credit to humans to a "god"...we did this, we got here, be proud of being human...and take credit for it. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32181158 United States01/14/2013 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an atheist let me tell you my point of view. I was raised catholic and belived untill i was prob around 25-28 yrs old. Then through studies of the universe, the world (as it is) and human behavior, it became clear what religion (all of them) are. In short it is the human need to explain the unknown coupled with the fear of non-existence that drives it. I belive when we die we become what we were before we were born...nothing. It did'nt bother me for the billions of years before i was born, and won't bother me after either. God is a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel so unimportant, that everything they do is for nothing....when the truth is, if (i mean when) human are gone from the earth (and we will be, this is fact) we will be as forgotten as every other extinct creature that ever was. Now, I am very happy with my life, I have 3 kids a wife and a great job, I am at peace with what I know, and fell pitty for those who lend credit to humans to a "god"...we did this, we got here, be proud of being human...and take credit for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31949143 You fell for the lie, although catholicism isn't a good representation of the truth. My faith isn't in a church, it is in the person of Christ, our Creator, our Savior. If this isnt true then our conscious won't remember a thing and my faith that everyone so vehemently denies will mean squat. But if it IS truth as the Bible claims, then what effect does that have on your life? Choose wisely. You will have to make a stand that matters, choose wisely my friend. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1406520  Australia01/14/2013 10:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an atheist let me tell you my point of view. I was raised catholic and belived untill i was prob around 25-28 yrs old. Then through studies of the universe, the world (as it is) and human behavior, it became clear what religion (all of them) are. In short it is the human need to explain the unknown coupled with the fear of non-existence that drives it. I belive when we die we become what we were before we were born...nothing. It did'nt bother me for the billions of years before i was born, and won't bother me after either. God is a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel so unimportant, that everything they do is for nothing....when the truth is, if (i mean when) human are gone from the earth (and we will be, this is fact) we will be as forgotten as every other extinct creature that ever was. Now, I am very happy with my life, I have 3 kids a wife and a great job, I am at peace with what I know, and fell pitty for those who lend credit to humans to a "god"...we did this, we got here, be proud of being human...and take credit for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31949143 You fell for the lie, although catholicism isn't a good representation of the truth. My faith isn't in a church, it is in the person of Christ, our Creator, our Savior. If this isnt true then our conscious won't remember a thing and my faith that everyone so vehemently denies will mean squat. But if it IS truth as the Bible claims, then what effect does that have on your life? Choose wisely. You will have to make a stand that matters, choose wisely my friend. No I believe it is you that has fallen for the lie..the lie of the christ |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 31949143 United States01/14/2013 10:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an atheist let me tell you my point of view. I was raised catholic and belived untill i was prob around 25-28 yrs old. Then through studies of the universe, the world (as it is) and human behavior, it became clear what religion (all of them) are. In short it is the human need to explain the unknown coupled with the fear of non-existence that drives it. I belive when we die we become what we were before we were born...nothing. It did'nt bother me for the billions of years before i was born, and won't bother me after either. God is a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel so unimportant, that everything they do is for nothing....when the truth is, if (i mean when) human are gone from the earth (and we will be, this is fact) we will be as forgotten as every other extinct creature that ever was. Now, I am very happy with my life, I have 3 kids a wife and a great job, I am at peace with what I know, and fell pitty for those who lend credit to humans to a "god"...we did this, we got here, be proud of being human...and take credit for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31949143 You fell for the lie, although catholicism isn't a good representation of the truth. My faith isn't in a church, it is in the person of Christ, our Creator, our Savior. If this isnt true then our conscious won't remember a thing and my faith that everyone so vehemently denies will mean squat. But if it IS truth as the Bible claims, then what effect does that have on your life? Choose wisely. You will have to make a stand that matters, choose wisely my friend. Ive heard this so many times before..ok, lets say i claim to belive because it is the safe bet, and "just in case there is a god" I won't go to hell. Don't you think a god of your description, power and knowledge will see though my false claim and damn me for unpure intentions? If a god would let me burn for using the mind and reason he gave me....fuck'em, I'm ready for the fire. |
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| overmind User ID: 26045274 United States01/14/2013 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an atheist let me tell you my point of view. I was raised catholic and belived untill i was prob around 25-28 yrs old. Then through studies of the universe, the world (as it is) and human behavior, it became clear what religion (all of them) are. In short it is the human need to explain the unknown coupled with the fear of non-existence that drives it. I belive when we die we become what we were before we were born...nothing. It did'nt bother me for the billions of years before i was born, and won't bother me after either. God is a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel so unimportant, that everything they do is for nothing....when the truth is, if (i mean when) human are gone from the earth (and we will be, this is fact) we will be as forgotten as every other extinct creature that ever was. Now, I am very happy with my life, I have 3 kids a wife and a great job, I am at peace with what I know, and fell pitty for those who lend credit to humans to a "god"...we did this, we got here, be proud of being human...and take credit for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31949143 You fell for the lie, although catholicism isn't a good representation of the truth. My faith isn't in a church, it is in the person of Christ, our Creator, our Savior. If this isnt true then our conscious won't remember a thing and my faith that everyone so vehemently denies will mean squat. But if it IS truth as the Bible claims, then what effect does that have on your life? Choose wisely. You will have to make a stand that matters, choose wisely my friend. Ive heard this so many times before..ok, lets say i claim to belive because it is the safe bet, and "just in case there is a god" I won't go to hell. Don't you think a god of your description, power and knowledge will see though my false claim and damn me for unpure intentions? If a god would let me burn for using the mind and reason he gave me....fuck'em, I'm ready for the fire. Hell is an evolving concept of man and a remnant of barbaric thinking. The closest thing to "hell" is nonexistence, but the choice of continuing with life is up to the individual after they learn what the next realm is like. If you really don't like what is in store, you can ask to be uncreated. If your life has anything of survival value(creating some form of soul growth), then surviving death is easy. Any atheist can currently survive if they are good at heart, even more evil humans can get a second chance after death. But if you do ignore your spiritual self during your life, there will be an uphill battle right after it. The whole goal that everyone learns to strive for is to attain absolute perfection, to be perfect as God is perfect. It is the greatest starting goal for the evolutionary races of time and space. This takes an enormous amount of education and self-improvement. Those who don't believe in God or prefer acting selfishly on earth will struggle through the process. |
| overmind User ID: 26045274 United States01/14/2013 11:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a thought. I am not trying to offend or hurt anyone. In this case atheists. I am just trying to learn truth about human behaviors. My hypothesis is this: Atheism is a rebellion against God. I would consider atheists could have been religious theists who in some way have been hurt or betrayed by their religion or God. Maybe there was something that they wanted but couldn't get from God. Maybe their religion betrayed them in some way. So they are hurt and repress their feelings and then unable to understand why they don't believe in God. They reject God and religion and anything associate with those including prayers, scriptures, prophets etc... Eventually they outright deny the existence of God and find any arguments against the existence of God or Gods. They often become involved with intellectual arguments against the existence of God. Some strongest arguments is that science hasn't proved God or that there is evil and suffering in the world. When I deal with atheists they often times offend me. I do not believe they are irrational, unkind, less happy, less intelligent or in any way more deficient or inferior to any other human who believes in God. I just think they are trying to escape God. Ok to a scientist its common to reject God. But some scientists do believe in God. It is a normal thing to do. There is God and there are God's prophets. Depending on a person's religious views the prophets can be Moses, Jesus, Buddha or the Vedic Rishis. Prophets exist. Research Edgar Cayce. He was a real prophet who could get information from the Akashic Records. Same with other long in the past prophets. Jesus was a historical person and I believe he could perform miracles too. I have left religion because I was disillusioned with it too. I call myself nonreligious and spiritual. To abandon God is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Atheists will probably not realize but they may have been hurt by God in their souls so they have this consciousness that rejects God and anything associated with God. Quoting: Amilius The biggest trend that I see is that people reject religion to avoid superstition and end up rejecting God with it, so it is like the bathwater analogy. God becomes the biggest superstition of all, and people end up misunderstanding the philosophy of monotheism by comparing God to a simple tribal deity like Baal, Zeus or the early Yahweh (Jewish theology changed a bit over time, so Yahweh’s attributes changed). The mistake arises when confusing “God” with “a god”. It certainly does not help that that the Hebrews fudged with their history a bit, so many fundamentalists end up believing in fairy tales from the Old Testament, though many of the people actually existed. For those who grow up in religious families, it may not occur to them that they can become capable of figuring out what could be true and what is clearly not. The teachings within religion are not supposed to be mutually exclusive in a way that you can only accept or reject everything. For instance, there are certain things I heard in Sunday school that I never once believed in (such as the story of Samson or Noah), but that didn’t impact my belief in God. One of the big problems is that even when man gained a greater understanding of Deity through revelation, it was restricted by contemporary knowledge of that era. None would have understood how much life exists elsewhere in the universe or how big it really is. When people use the teachings of this period in time, they are also borrowing that mindset as well. If life only existed on this planet and everything in space was just there for us to look at, then the concept of God or gods would have to be much smaller than what is really the case. Since there has been such a great leap in our knowledge of the universe, there also has to be one in theology. But since God is the source of all matter, energy and personality endowment in such a huge universe, an expanded view of Deity becomes so much more complex compared to what was understood thousands of years ago. Last Edited by overmind on 01/14/2013 11:55 PM |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1277549 United States01/15/2013 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism isn't rebellion against God(s). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1277549 Dystheism and its theological extension, misotheism, would promote rebellion against a perceived God or gods, though not necessarily. With that being said, there is a sect of atheists usually referred to as 'hypothetical maltheists' (maltheism being an invented term meaning much the same as misotheism) tend to believe that God doesn't exist, but if He did, He wouldn't be worthy of worship due to being malevolent. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32263648 United States01/15/2013 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As an atheist let me tell you my point of view. I was raised catholic and belived untill i was prob around 25-28 yrs old. Then through studies of the universe, the world (as it is) and human behavior, it became clear what religion (all of them) are. In short it is the human need to explain the unknown coupled with the fear of non-existence that drives it. I belive when we die we become what we were before we were born...nothing. It did'nt bother me for the billions of years before i was born, and won't bother me after either. God is a lie people tell themselves so they don't feel so unimportant, that everything they do is for nothing....when the truth is, if (i mean when) human are gone from the earth (and we will be, this is fact) we will be as forgotten as every other extinct creature that ever was. Now, I am very happy with my life, I have 3 kids a wife and a great job, I am at peace with what I know, and fell pitty for those who lend credit to humans to a "god"...we did this, we got here, be proud of being human...and take credit for it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31949143 You fell for the lie, although catholicism isn't a good representation of the truth. My faith isn't in a church, it is in the person of Christ, our Creator, our Savior. If this isnt true then our conscious won't remember a thing and my faith that everyone so vehemently denies will mean squat. But if it IS truth as the Bible claims, then what effect does that have on your life? Choose wisely. You will have to make a stand that matters, choose wisely my friend. Ive heard this so many times before..ok, lets say i claim to belive because it is the safe bet, and "just in case there is a god" I won't go to hell. Don't you think a god of your description, power and knowledge will see though my false claim and damn me for unpure intentions? If a god would let me burn for using the mind and reason he gave me....fuck'em, I'm ready for the fire. Of course He will know your hearts true intentions. My point is, you either believe we were created, or something else... If we were created, than by whom? You're using your own reasoning to conclude that there isn't a God, and theres always the possibility that you're wrong. I'm not saying choose god by default just in case, I chose to believe because it makes the most sense that this complexity we call existence couldn't have arisen from something less complex. Meaning the true God is Almighty and sovereign, and I believe in absolute truth, Jesus is God in the flesh. and as soon as you are aware of His existence, you will have no excuse. You just might become aware when it's too late. |
| AllGunsBlazing User ID: 30888674 United States01/15/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism as a rebellion against God is a non sequitur. I would have to believe in God to rebel against him. The basis is that I don't believe any of the stuff in the Bible, or in any supernatural events, period. I don't believe in ghosts, or ufo claims either. If there was any evidence to support a belief in God I would reconsider, but there is absolutely none. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32106456  Spain01/15/2013 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism as a rebellion against God is a non sequitur. I would have to believe in God to rebel against him. The basis is that I don't believe any of the stuff in the Bible, or in any supernatural events, period. I don't believe in ghosts, or ufo claims either. If there was any evidence to support a belief in God I would reconsider, but there is absolutely none. Quoting: AllGunsBlazing And what about Higgs boson, bozo?  |
| AllGunsBlazing User ID: 30888674 United States01/15/2013 02:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism as a rebellion against God is a non sequitur. I would have to believe in God to rebel against him. The basis is that I don't believe any of the stuff in the Bible, or in any supernatural events, period. I don't believe in ghosts, or ufo claims either. If there was any evidence to support a belief in God I would reconsider, but there is absolutely none. Quoting: AllGunsBlazing And what about Higgs boson, bozo? What about it? Last Edited by AllGunsBlazing on 01/15/2013 02:08 PM |
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| pi User ID: 20063747 Canada01/15/2013 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism as a rebellion against God is a non sequitur. I would have to believe in God to rebel against him. The basis is that I don't believe any of the stuff in the Bible, or in any supernatural events, period. I don't believe in ghosts, or ufo claims either. If there was any evidence to support a belief in God I would reconsider, but there is absolutely none. Quoting: AllGunsBlazing And what about Higgs boson, bozo? What about it? ... Man launches protons at each other. Man names resulting field 'God'. Man feels satisfied for the day. ... ...? |
| 4Q529 User ID: 32282403 United States01/15/2013 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here is a thought. I am not trying to offend or hurt anyone. In this case atheists. I am just trying to learn truth about human behaviors. My hypothesis is this: Atheism is a rebellion against God. I would consider atheists could have been religious theists who in some way have been hurt or betrayed by their religion or God. Maybe there was something that they wanted but couldn't get from God. Maybe their religion betrayed them in some way. So they are hurt and repress their feelings and then unable to understand why they don't believe in God. They reject God and religion and anything associate with those including prayers, scriptures, prophets etc... Eventually they outright deny the existence of God and find any arguments against the existence of God or Gods. They often become involved with intellectual arguments against the existence of God. Some strongest arguments is that science hasn't proved God or that there is evil and suffering in the world. When I deal with atheists they often times offend me. I do not believe they are irrational, unkind, less happy, less intelligent or in any way more deficient or inferior to any other human who believes in God. I just think they are trying to escape God. Ok to a scientist its common to reject God. But some scientists do believe in God. It is a normal thing to do. There is God and there are God's prophets. Depending on a person's religious views the prophets can be Moses, Jesus, Buddha or the Vedic Rishis. Prophets exist. Research Edgar Cayce. He was a real prophet who could get information from the Akashic Records. Same with other long in the past prophets. Jesus was a historical person and I believe he could perform miracles too. I have left religion because I was disillusioned with it too. I call myself nonreligious and spiritual. To abandon God is to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Atheists will probably not realize but they may have been hurt by God in their souls so they have this consciousness that rejects God and anything associated with God. Quoting: Amilius To get the complete perspective on this issue, you have to turn as well to the Eastern esoteric traditions. If atheism is a rebellion against God, then so, too, is theology. It has to do with the consciousness that originates both atheism and theology; that is, the consciousness of the 'thinker'. In the Eastern esoteric traditions, the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' are looked upon as illusion and maya. It is only the "observing consciousness" which is looked upon as the objective reality. Not believing in God doesn't have anything to do with it. At the level of consciousness, both the dualistic "self" and the 'thinker' are differentiated from, and opposed to the "observing consciousness" which is non-dualistic. Michael |
| 4Q529 User ID: 32282403 United States01/15/2013 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | science is not a religion ... this is fact with proof and real thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4953860 that it Yes. Science is a religion which is based upon unprovable concepts; concepts which demand belief. The metaphysical duality cannot be proven; the existence of the 'thinker' as a reality cannot be proven anymore than the existence of the "ether". These things must be accepted on faith rather than proved. To science, the 'thinker' is equivalent to God; the thoughts of the 'thinker'--logic, the scientific method, etc. etc.--validated by observation and experiment being equivalent to 'Revelations that have come down from Mt. Sinai'. Michael |
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| magic juan User ID: 29050358  United Kingdom01/15/2013 02:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Anyone raised in the western world will have been surrounded and filled with the tales and theories of the power structures based upon monotheistic dynasties. To have lived under instruction and the consequences of this system then to have researched, explored and decided, based on empirical study, that the basis for believing in the concept of God/g-d as promoted by theses 'theists' is a nonsense in the truest sense. That the response to this from theists will be that I am to be condemned to a hell (imagined and drawn up by sribes and scrivens at the behest of powerful people), is the only reply because it drags back to the ideal of belief and faith. My belief and faith has as much validity as yours. I have actively sought this God/g-d/saviour of yours and have found him/her to be most absent in those who promote and argue his/her case the most. Drop the evangelism and then trust in your God/g-d. Everyone else can find their own peace or lessons in their own way and time.... |
| pi User ID: 20063747 Canada01/15/2013 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism has an artform about it, one that it needs to compete against generations of power-broking by story telling to create a business. Quoting: magic juan 29050358 Anyone raised in the western world will have been surrounded and filled with the tales and theories of the power structures based upon monotheistic dynasties. To have lived under instruction and the consequences of this system then to have researched, explored and decided, based on empirical study, that the basis for believing in the concept of God/g-d as promoted by theses 'theists' is a nonsense in the truest sense. That the response to this from theists will be that I am to be condemned to a hell (imagined and drawn up by sribes and scrivens at the behest of powerful people), is the only reply because it drags back to the ideal of belief and faith. My belief and faith has as much validity as yours. I have actively sought this God/g-d/saviour of yours and have found him/her to be most absent in those who promote and argue his/her case the most. Drop the evangelism and then trust in your God/g-d. Everyone else can find their own peace or lessons in their own way and time.... True. The path to GoD is individual. There is nothing wrong or sinister about an atheist in GoD's eyes. They will find GoD when their mind is ready for it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32106456 Spain01/15/2013 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism as a rebellion against God is a non sequitur. I would have to believe in God to rebel against him. The basis is that I don't believe any of the stuff in the Bible, or in any supernatural events, period. I don't believe in ghosts, or ufo claims either. If there was any evidence to support a belief in God I would reconsider, but there is absolutely none. Quoting: AllGunsBlazing And what about Higgs boson, bozo? What about it? I am not scornful, but brotherly mocking you! You fail, my dear lad. |
| AllGunsBlazing User ID: 30888674 United States01/15/2013 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Atheism as a rebellion against God is a non sequitur. I would have to believe in God to rebel against him. The basis is that I don't believe any of the stuff in the Bible, or in any supernatural events, period. I don't believe in ghosts, or ufo claims either. If there was any evidence to support a belief in God I would reconsider, but there is absolutely none. Quoting: AllGunsBlazing And what about Higgs boson, bozo? What about it? I am not scornful, but brotherly mocking you! You fail, my dear lad. Oh, ok? Speaking of fail...what exactly does the Higgs Boson have to do with anything? |
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