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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
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The "U.S.A" is not a physical country. It is a corporate interstate government shrouded in supposition and screaming "don't look at the man behind the curtain!!!"

The actual countries are the states that the Union is comprised of; The Union is nothing without them and this is why it fights like a demented beast when the nation-states-in-power exercise their rights.


Understand this people:

You can both lawfully and legally 'leave' the Corporate US on paper and remain in your nation/state/country without leaving it on foot to another continent.

You are a living soul.

Your rights are inherent.

Don't be a child.

Stand up.
 Quoting: Truthache


That is not the issue, but what is about going to happen in the temporal world known as America.
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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
 Quoting: FEDup 31426933


I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
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I left in 2008 and I'm going back in a few weeks, not permanently, but just to work and enjoy the good life again. Foreign countries, even if they speak English, take a while to get used and lack a lot of things people take for granted.

For example, good luck finding a decent pizza where I'm at. Public toilets with toilet paper.
Good roads that are wide enough.
Comfortable climate without AC.
Poverty at every corner.

They just imposed "sin taxes" on liquor and tobacco, so that's a negative too.

12% value added tax on everything.
 Quoting: MuayThai


I left in the winter of '09. I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I do travel to the US for biz. The food and weather is great. No where in Asia can you walk around in the woods and not have to deal with venomous and disease carrying critters. I will miss it a lot in a few years after it is gone.

Emigrating is very hard and it takes many years to settle in. No matter how much you work at adapting to your new country, you will always be a foreigner and considered an outsider.
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The "U.S.A" is not a physical country. It is a corporate interstate government shrouded in supposition and screaming "don't look at the man behind the curtain!!!"

The actual countries are the states that the Union is comprised of; The Union is nothing without them and this is why it fights like a demented beast when the nation-states-in-power exercise their rights.


Understand this people:

You can both lawfully and legally 'leave' the Corporate US on paper and remain in your nation/state/country without leaving it on foot to another continent.

You are a living soul.

Your rights are inherent.

Don't be a child.

Stand up.
 Quoting: Truthache



Explain how? There are so many laws and regulations on the books either State or Federal or both that you cannot "live" without being apart of the system to survive ... There are so many regulations and laws that even the States and Federal laws are not in sync with each other ... It's a matrix for sure -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


When they created the 14th Amendment which created the fictional corporate "U.S. Citizen" Person. they also at the very same time enacted the "Expatriation Act" which allows real people to leave the company for a life which is deliberately legislated to ensure that you live a super-shitty independence.

Yes, the Corporation makes sure that it is fucking hard for those here who don't claim Citizenship/Membership. The Citizens get the 'goodies' available only to those who are "citizens"/club members: Bank Accounts, Business Licenses, Certificates, Business loans, School Loans, Education, Credit, Citations, Memberships, The G.D. Lottery!, and "JOBS" which is a joke on you because the legal definition of a "job" is 'Public work for private gain'

To those who are free. Well. You are free. That's what you get. You are free to be fucked with by all the others who are still in the club, agents and clueless alike, still clinging to their programmed reality with everything they've got, including all the "regulations" that are claimed over and upon you.

Most of those who take the red pill become Cypher, the one who regrets "waking up" and pleads with his captors to return to the Matrix and thereby betraying the very truth they once sought and yearned for.

To those of you who are Citizens of the U.S. and think you are free. HA!!!!! You could not be further from the truth.
"None are so hopelessly enslaved" - Goethe
You are the People who literally can't handle the truth.
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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
 Quoting: FEDup 31426933


I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
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Hind sight is 20/20
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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
 Quoting: FEDup 31426933


I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483


Hind sight is 20/20
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One day we will wake up and see big mushroom clouds in the sky, and all will be made right.
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Your kids will probably come back and open a donut shop or gas station.
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Anyone have experience with Iceland?

They outed the central banks, Its not that cold there, They are the most "green" country where most of there energy comes from thermal vents. And there Women are some of the most beautiful in the world.

There language is weird as hell though, not going to be easy to pick up.

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I've weighed this issue in my mind several times, but damnit, this country has been good to me, and it's my home. Do I love everything about it right now, that's a big negatorie, but I love it enough to fight for it...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


love is stronger than fear

stronger than death

and it scares the fuck out of them, because they have no love

turn it all around, as if in a mirror world and ask yourself

why are they trying to scare all the smart and good people OUT of the US?

Must be something pretty good here, and honestly, they don't have the power to get all of us...we have to do it to ourselves, with the help of their lies and propaganda

so turn it off and give it back to them.

They are people of the lie and they have no soul, no passion and no love. Their strength is in illusion

What makes humans powerful is their passion married to strength and reason.

Humans scare the crap out of them, so piss them off and stick around and make sure you know plenty of others who feel the same way
 Quoting: IssueX


Amen...
"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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well there I am, contrarian as usual

I'm the one who left in 2002, coming back now

I've always been ahead of the curve

You gotta get busy living, or busy dying, and every place is a prison of sorts

You have to do what you came to do, not cling to a petty illusion of safety

The US is better than people realize...that's exactly why there is so much effort being made to demoralize and diminish the hopes of people here

If the US population weren't a threat, why would they bother?

Turn off the propaganda TV and look around you and realize that heaven is available here and now

Eh?
 Quoting: IssueX


Left in 08 came back.
 Quoting: duFontaine.


In my line of work I've known a lot of people who have lived in, or live part time in, or have worked in other countries...

And these are mostly like minded people, but they ALL say in the end that America, flawed as it is now, is still preferable to anywhere else they've been...

I've travelled overseas to a few countries, but if it's one thing I understand, going to visit, and living there, are two entirely different things...

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"And how can a man die better than facing fearful odds, for the ashes of his fathers, and the temples of his Gods..." ~ Horatius

"Because he told the truth, and once you've heard the truth, everything else is just cheap whiskey..."
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I'm in process of moving to gaunteg south africa. so far its great,
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 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence

Hmmm. They say everyone has a line in the sand.
It seems these people prefer that sand to
be in another country. What happens
when they run out of sand? Gonna
move to the moon? LOL What a shame to abandon
this beautiful land of ours to these criminals
and thugs.You can run but you cannot hide.
When freedom dies here...it dies everywhere.
I think if you check any free country you
would like to move to (and would let you)
...you will find it's freedom propped up by americas money and might.
I was watching Dr.Who the other night and the
character said "President Obama is going to fix the
economy." He was happy to be saved by the POTUS.
Funny thing was...He was British living in England.
And for those of you who know Dr.Who...No it wasnt in
some weird future it was in the present.
flag waver
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The "U.S.A" is not a physical country. It is a corporate interstate government shrouded in supposition and screaming "don't look at the man behind the curtain!!!"

The actual countries are the states that the Union is comprised of; The Union is nothing without them and this is why it fights like a demented beast when the nation-states-in-power exercise their rights.


Understand this people:

You can both lawfully and legally 'leave' the Corporate US on paper and remain in your nation/state/country without leaving it on foot to another continent.

You are a living soul.

Your rights are inherent.

Don't be a child.

Stand up.
 Quoting: Truthache



Explain how? There are so many laws and regulations on the books either State or Federal or both that you cannot "live" without being apart of the system to survive ... There are so many regulations and laws that even the States and Federal laws are not in sync with each other ... It's a matrix for sure -
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28689320


When they created the 14th Amendment which created the fictional corporate "U.S. Citizen" Person. they also at the very same time enacted the "Expatriation Act" which allows real people to leave the company for a life which is deliberately legislated to ensure that you live a super-shitty independence.

Yes, the Corporation makes sure that it is fucking hard for those here who don't claim Citizenship/Membership. The Citizens get the 'goodies' available only to those who are "citizens"/club members: Bank Accounts, Business Licenses, Certificates, Business loans, School Loans, Education, Credit, Citations, Memberships, The G.D. Lottery!, and "JOBS" which is a joke on you because the legal definition of a "job" is 'Public work for private gain'

To those who are free. Well. You are free. That's what you get. You are free to be fucked with by all the others who are still in the club, agents and clueless alike, still clinging to their programmed reality with everything they've got, including all the "regulations" that are claimed over and upon you.

Most of those who take the red pill become Cypher, the one who regrets "waking up" and pleads with his captors to return to the Matrix and thereby betraying the very truth they once sought and yearned for.

To those of you who are Citizens of the U.S. and think you are free. HA!!!!! You could not be further from the truth.
"None are so hopelessly enslaved" - Goethe
You are the People who literally can't handle the truth.
 Quoting: Truthache


And for the record...
I love America and the principles of Liberty upon which it was lawfully founded including the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights.
Any strength this land has today is owed to those days in our History when men together stood and fought for Liberty, Freedom, and Justice; Days in our history where men did not cringe, cower, and relinquish it when faced with the terror induced by any evil force who would seek to erode and destroy a Liberty that will be defended as long as men walk the Earth.
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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
 Quoting: FEDup 31426933


I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483


Hind sight is 20/20
 Quoting: Desert Fox


Yes but we can learn from the experience of others.
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Why should I have to leave? I was born here!
There is going to be a major war with the snakes.
They need to feel the pain of: "We The People",
And they need to come to the full realization that 'they' do not own us, or this land.
We OWN them.
Bring IT ON Snakes!!!
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Is it just me or are that guy's eyes in the first video really odd.
I realize that he has light eyelashes but his iris' actually look
like they are changing from dark to light and back again.
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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
 Quoting: FEDup 31426933


I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483


Wow, your forefathers were more insightful than you. Had that been the road taken, your forefathers would have had no descendents at all.
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Why should I have to leave? I was born here!
There is going to be a major war with the snakes.
They need to feel the pain of: "We The People",
And they need to come to the full realization that 'they' do not own us, or this land.
We OWN them.
Bring IT ON Snakes!!!
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yessir

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I am native american and this is my home!But now days it sure dont seem like it.When i leave the house its not car jackers i worry about.Its not muggers,,it is the police! I have asked a lot of people what their number one fear is when going to town or traveling and everyone i have asked says the same thing,,the cops!As much as i love my country,,if i had the means i would pack up and go to a south american country.I know a lot of those places have their fair share of problems too but at this point im ready to put on a loin cloth and live in the jungle if thats what it takes to find a little comfort and peace.
 Quoting: FEDup 31426933


I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19004483


Hind sight is 20/20
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One day we will wake up and see big mushroom clouds in the sky, and all will be made right.
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You're talking about the 4th seal of Revelation. It is coming right after people are working a day for a loaf of bread (3rd seal is finished).

Worst judgement since the flood. Absolutely horrific. Best to turn to Christ now. You don't want to be a part of that seal.
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I'd say if you really were planning on fleeing your country (US or wherever) if you don't know where to go, save up first and go on a tour of the countries that sound promising. Yeah, it still wouldn't be THAT informative since most countries have a range of vast diversity. i.e.. one part may be a shithole while another part may be paradise.
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There are some good countries out there, though none have something as God breathed as the US constitution. Most just play at the idea of freedom.

My assessment of the countries I've visited:
China: Bustling insane, do you know where your wallet is?
I think the police density is actually quite a bit lower than the US, which is surprising. However if they do catch you... look out. They are also intensely nationalistic and can't wait to destroy America as she 'rightfully' deserves. They will try to find out if you support the American military industrial complex in any way.

A lot of people still worship Mao, so government propaganda is still amazingly powerful.

Hong Kong: This is a great city! It is the embodiment of capitalism. The Brit.s were fools to give it back to China. A lot of the middle class retire rich there, which goes to show what happens if you can reduce taxes, be business friendly and control government spending. Still it's a bit too dense and urban for my tastes.

Canada: Beautiful scenery. Calgary, Vancouver and Victoria are works of art in some ways. Calgary has the best vibe being a bustling oil town. However the political correctness is nauseating. Socialist and green group think is rampant and they delight in hating Americans. Their cities are pretty clean overall. I guess they just need to import more Muslims and third worlders to change all that.

Israel: Fantastic country that is on the rise! Hard working people, very dedicated and they LOVE Americans. Moreover their women are surprisingly attractive and friendly. You would have to do military service to emigrate there, if you had a little Jewish blood it's easy to do so. Really it was a great place to be. The only hate we got was from the Arabs who seethe hate at any Westerner or Israeli. It's palpable and disturbing, though I suppose becoming more common here now that Obama is trying to incite race wars. We also got some trouble from the Hassidim who get agitated if they think you are christian. There is a lot of persecution against christians there, but it is mild compared to the rest of the world.

Egypt: This place is a stinking cesspool of violence fear and hatred. It's not safe anywhere. Non muslims and tourists might as well paint a huge target on themselves. Carry around a lot of cash as bribes or be prepared to walk home through the searing desert. The thiefs and Islamicists are bad enough, but the police are universally hated and feared. I never felt safe there even when I was alone with a friend carrying a submachine gun.
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If it weren't for the fact that I am divorced and can't take my kids out of the country with me, I would seriously be considering a move to Argentina. I lived there for a year, and really miss the people. The country has its issues, but has already gone through being raked over the coals by the international banks. The people know (or should know) corruption when they see it, and aren't easily led around, and they just plain know how to live. And the country is gorgeous!

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this entire world is f'd up

where is there better?
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Im thinking of moving to the U.S because im attracted to the women.Which is the best city to live in?
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Talk of Mandatory/Forced Flu shots was the last straw for me.
Long live the corporations with souls...
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The "U.S.A" is not a physical country. It is a corporate interstate government shrouded in supposition and screaming "don't look at the man behind the curtain!!!"

The actual countries are the states that the Union is comprised of; The Union is nothing without them and this is why it fights like a demented beast when the nation-states-in-power exercise their rights.


Understand this people:

You can both lawfully and legally 'leave' the Corporate US on paper and remain in your nation/state/country without leaving it on foot to another continent.

You are a living soul.

Your rights are inherent.

Don't be a child.

Stand up.
 Quoting: Truthache


This is wrong, it is not the fact we dont want to be american, its the fact we DONT WANT TO BE (IN) America, just because you are not in america on paper, doesnt mean when shtf you arent going to be in it to, and thats why we are leaving
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Talk of Mandatory/Forced Flu shots was the last straw for me.
Long live the corporations with souls...
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Of coarse weeks after that was announced they now plug the Flumageddon stories.
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Where exactly to they think they will run to?

Some third world nation without guns, or a military?
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There are lots of places to go that have in some ways more freedoms than the USA.

No place is perfect, they all have their problems, and most of them have Left of center leanings, unfortunately. But there are some that still allow guns. And they all have militaries, just not big enough or high-tech enough to take on the USSA.

It's all a question of trade-offs. When the oppression becomes too great in one nation, there are many, many more to choose from.

Amerika has been taken over by evil Marxists hell-bent on destroying what's left of America, and plunging the world into a new Dark Age; a dark techno-Dystopia run by NWO Plutocrats.

Will the subjects in the USSA throw off their chains and return their gov't to the limited gov't it began with? No, I don't see that happening. They've been fighting a slowly losing battle since the late 1800's and don't even know it. There have been a few gains here and there, but the overall trend is going down into the toilet.

Unless it is reversed immediately, the USSA will become the new flagship of evil for the NWO's quest for a global dictatorship. Who wants to live in the Emperor's caged-in back yard?

Once the guns are gone, it's game over. Unfortunately, by the time that happens, it'll likely be too late to escape the new Iron Curtain.
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Turn off the propaganda TV and look around you and realize that heaven is available here and now


 Quoting: IssueX

News