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I was like to post this today...I mean how comes we don't see thousand of people leaving US everyday? We are not in the 1939 in the nazi Germany...people really did not learnt anything from history

I would run at the closer border
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'For the first centuries of its existence, the US benefited from its low population density and had attracted large masses of immigrants. A major source of emigrants from the United States are former military personnel retiring to the countries where they were previously based.[citation needed] As of 2010, the number of American long-term residents in the United Kingdom giving up on their U.S. citizenship has overwhelmed the U.S. embassy to the point where waiting lists extend for more than half a year.[1]

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Will be following closely behind once few things are taken care of in the states. Martial law just doesn't appeal to me, with the amount of maniacs shooting places up, it seems we're headed there fast or something similar. I'm waterboard-a-phobic.
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I was like to post this today...I mean how comes we don't see thousand of people leaving US everyday? We are not in the 1939 in the nazi Germany...people really did not learnt anything from history

I would run at the closer border
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3/4 of the population are sound asleep. They have no clue what is coming down the pike. They got flat footed on guns and ammo and the same will happen with food. Most are still in a bad location and don't even know it.
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We got put years ago. Best decision we ever made.

NZ is easy to get in (if you have skills we need here )
And it is pretty cheap to emigrate
But the cost of living is higher
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Wouldn't mind living in NZ. Beautiful country.
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I was like to post this today...I mean how comes we don't see thousand of people leaving US everyday? We are not in the 1939 in the nazi Germany...people really did not learnt anything from history

I would run at the closer border
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Reasons People Won't Leave A Failed Nation:
1. Sleepiness - what problem?
2. Laziness - too much trouble to move
3. Serf Syndrome - must stay near the plantation
4. Family bondage - can't leave my family behind
5. Patriotism - go down with the ship
6. Finances - too poor to go anywhere
7. Lackey - but I like the change
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i have lived abroad - the cayman islands for 4 years. came back to the uk in 1990

i missed england, i still would, despite its 'shortcomings' (to put it politely)

the caymans were too small for a city girl like me. and i know i would feel like a fish out of water in a place like NZ

ive travelled to quite a few places, recently scandinavia (i have norwegian ancestry). norway in particular felt good. so beautiful. but not to actually upsticks and live in

you cant really escape the kind of stuff we hate. the state looms large in scandinavia. that alone puts me off

so i will stick with london. why the hell should i leave? i have as nice a life here as i would have anywhere, and i am HAPPY here

many people are leaving the likes of australia. i know 2 families who stayed for a while and came back to the uk

the grass is rarely greener. holidaying in a place is obviously very different to living and working in a foreign land

a sense of belonging is the most important factor i think
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There are a lot of expat Aussies, Brits, and Americans here in butt-fuck nowhere Canada.

It is amazing at all of the accents I hear in the run of the day. A lot of Muzzies too. I don't trust the Muzzies! Oh and lots of Koreans too.
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I'm a British expat, living and working in B.C.

Plenty of room here - pop. is approx 32 million? (compared to 65 in the uk) plus extra tax revenue for the gov. to spend...

Plus the people for the most part are really nice, its a beautiful country and the skiing is good.

I don't like the raccoons though; they stare into my soul.

I really want to travel around the states though..

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ikmow if you dont have megga bucks and god like skills you cant live here and a lota other countries
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Where exactly to they think they will run to?

Some third world nation without guns, or a military?
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Mali is popular these days. cool2
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I had the opportunity to visit Iceland several years ago - They were a very kind and accepting people. A total population of some 270k, I only ever found one person who did not speak English. I was situated in Reykjavik for the duration of my trip and found so much to do and people to hang with that I rarely made it to other parts of the Island. By that, I mean other towns on the west Coast -- there's a portion of the country that reads as 'Inhospitable' on most maps--inviting the imagination to wonder just how bad the conditions in those sectors must be.

The sheer beauty of the women was staggering -- the Icelandic lifestyle was inviting. Reykjavik definitely has a European vibe - very current and up to date. the extreme Nature there is both terrifying and gorgeous to behold

(quick story - being from California I have hardly ever been in the snow -
so a lot of my clothes were just not cut out for the harsh weather. At one point I was on a motorcoach tour and we came upon the Dettifoss falls (the stunning waterfall locale seen in the opening of Prometheus) -- climbed out of the coach- crept about for a moment (freezing my ass off) and suddenly slipped and slid
across a large rock -- a bit more momentum and i would have tumbled in to the
falls! Maybe someone from the tour caught my ice-capade act and went on to
write the script to Prometheus (being sure to include the fool who nearly tossed himself into the drink! LOL)....


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well there I am, contrarian as usual

I'm the one who left in 2002, coming back now

I've always been ahead of the curve

You gotta get busy living, or busy dying, and every place is a prison of sorts

You have to do what you came to do, not cling to a petty illusion of safety

The US is better than people realize...that's exactly why there is so much effort being made to demoralize and diminish the hopes of people here

If the US population weren't a threat, why would they bother?

Turn off the propaganda TV and look around you and realize that heaven is available here and now

Eh?
 Quoting: IssueX


cool2
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. . . THIS ISN'T LIKE THE 1900 . . .

Where you can just lock up your home and shoot the bad guys out your kitchen window and fight for your land and rights.

We have BOMBS and TANKS that will take out a group of people in one shot! Americans are not cowards for leaving, simply smart. This isn't a country, it's a corporation!

Are you guys awake yet?
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well there I am, contrarian as usual

I'm the one who left in 2002, coming back now

I've always been ahead of the curve

You gotta get busy living, or busy dying, and every place is a prison of sorts

You have to do what you came to do, not cling to a petty illusion of safety

The US is better than people realize...that's exactly why there is so much effort being made to demoralize and diminish the hopes of people here

If the US population weren't a threat, why would they bother?

Turn off the propaganda TV and look around you and realize that heaven is available here and now

Eh?
 Quoting: IssueX


For neither shall they say, Low here or low there; for behold, the kingdom of heaven is within you.

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If only there were some way for Texas to leave the USA...
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. . . THIS ISN'T LIKE THE 1900 . . .

Where you can just lock up your home and shoot the bad guys out your kitchen window and fight for your land and rights.

We have BOMBS and TANKS that will take out a group of people in one shot! Americans are not cowards for leaving, simply smart. This isn't a country, it's a corporation!

Are you guys awake yet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2267205


Sooner or later there will only be a few choices left:

1. fight and die in combat
2. submit, work and die in a gulag
3. submit and live as a slave in the new soviet USSA (world government)
4. Suicide

The american people = sovereign living beings = a republic = a country

UNITED STATES government = corporation (D.C.) = dead legal entity = democracy

Even if it comes down to gun confiscations etc, leaving the US corporation as a sovereign freeman under the true organic constitution FOR the United States of America, while remaining on american soil as a member of the republic, won't help you much anymore and you'll have to resist anyway, especially when foreign UN troops get involved.
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I've thought about leaving too. Ironically my partner's family immigrated to the US. We've traveled throughout Europe and there are parts of northern Italy that call to me as well as Glastonbury in England. Then there was Switzerland where the cities are very clean but demonstrations in Zurich because there wasn't enough housing for the young. France is beautiful but not being a city person the south of France in the mountains would be a great spot. Of course the French don't really like Americans.

Then there was Germany which is also well kept. Berlin was very interesting especially when the wall first came down. I remember walking into one toy shop where the toys were made out of wood and being impressed with the craftsmanship. On one side of the Berlin wall the walls were filled with graffiti and the other side the military were in their towers with rifles ready to shoot anyone who crossed the border. This was two weeks before the wall coming down.

At that time we rode a train through East Berlin that was bare bones when it came to comfort and saw armed guards with dogs at each of the stations. Ironically in souther Mexico there were also armed guards with what looked like machine guns at the airports. Made me glad to get back into the US.

What the US Congress along with Presidents who by-pass Congress with their Executive Orders is doing to the US is sickening. They have sold out middle America. That's the long and short of it.

We did think about Australia but had friends who came back not too happy about the gun laws down there and how government was butting into their private lives.

I tend to enjoy the tropics higher up in the mountains. However, other family members enjoy the seasons and want to go back where it snows. I'd rather go to Ecuador if leaving the US. Only I just read yesterday out US factions is attempting to destabilizing that country and where the president is afraid he will be assassinated by a US faction.

All-in-all there are many beautiful places in the world to live and politics almost always drives people away to find somewhere else where they can live more freely. I remember driving to Budapest and thought to myself, this landscape reminds me of the Sacramento, California area. The only real difference was politics.

Cities do have their conveniences but for the most part I find them trying. I don't like the traffic, density and these days rudeness. Rural areas are much more relaxing and folks tend to look out for one another, However in a lot of the smaller rural towns one is almost always considered an outsider unless they were born there. It takes a certain type of personality that prefers being away from cities and living out in the countryside somewhere. Generally people have to be comfortable with themselves and not need all that external city-life stimulation. In the US there are miles and miles of vacant land. Folks who enjoy being self-sustaining do better in those types of environments.

I think what many folks are disgusted with these days in the US is politics and how our Congress now supports the oligarchy - not the citizens. Hence the citizens are becoming slaves to taxes and paying off debts (bailing out the bansters) they didn't even incur. Now that sucks.

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I left and have returned.

I am Hell Revisited for the bastard who are destroying mankind's greatest achievement: America.
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here as well

I am their worst nightmare

an awakened inner party libtard who emerged from the belly of the beast. I know their tricks, I know where they hide, I have zero fear of leaving this plane and I have nothing to lose

doesn't take many of us

and sometimes, one is safest in the eye of the storm, although safety is not what I seek

peace
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What made you come back?
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence


you move to another country, even one as similar to ours as Canada, and you realize how American you are, how much the story of the revolution and founding fathers resonates in your very outlook

you may not think so , but wait until you live in a place where people never question their government, or are afraid to speak their opinions out loud, or take for granted 300 years of monarchy and corruption

you begin to realize what made the US different is somewhere in your very thought process, and it doesn't matter if you are D or R, not if you really resonated with it

and then you realize life is short, and we all come here for a purpose, maybe to make a stand, and maybe its a well known stand or maybe somerthing that never even makes a line of type, but it's your mission, and your spirit knows it

and sure, you could die safe in someone else's home town, someone else's land, always an outsider, always a refugee of sorts...or you could go home and help draw that human line in the sand

that's me, anyway, and it took me over a decade of hard contemplation and thinking to come to this conclusion, and I know it isn't for everyone, but no one who ever got something worthwhile ever did it without risk or losing a pint of blood or two along the way

best of luck to you, and may fair winds be at your back
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Wow! Very powerful statements here. I think I want to run away from this mess, but I know full well that there is no place on earth that affords an American the inalienable rights we continue to evoke in this country.
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'For the first centuries of its existence, the US benefited from its low population density and had attracted large masses of immigrants. A major source of emigrants from the United States are former military personnel retiring to the countries where they were previously based.[citation needed] As of 2010, the number of American long-term residents in the United Kingdom giving up on their U.S. citizenship has overwhelmed the U.S. embassy to the point where waiting lists extend for more than half a year.[1]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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My mum has been living here since her early 20's and she just applied and received her British citizenship at the age of 73!
Haha...she has not given up her American passport though.
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I was like to post this today...I mean how comes we don't see thousand of people leaving US everyday? We are not in the 1939 in the nazi Germany...people really did not learnt anything from history

I would run at the closer border
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Italy is going down in flames too. Do you have a good plan in place to deal with this eventuality?
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I've weighed this issue in my mind several times, but damnit, this country has been good to me, and it's my home. Do I love everything about it right now, that's a big negatorie, but I love it enough to fight for it...
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. . . THIS ISN'T LIKE THE 1900 . . .

Where you can just lock up your home and shoot the bad guys out your kitchen window and fight for your land and rights.

We have BOMBS and TANKS that will take out a group of people in one shot! Americans are not cowards for leaving, simply smart. This isn't a country, it's a corporation!

Are you guys awake yet?
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Sooner or later there will only be a few choices left:

1. fight and die in combat
2. submit, work and die in a gulag
3. submit and live as a slave in the new soviet USSA (world government)
4. Suicide

The american people = sovereign living beings = a republic = a country

UNITED STATES government = corporation (D.C.) = dead legal entity = democracy

Even if it comes down to gun confiscations etc, leaving the US corporation as a sovereign freeman under the true organic constitution FOR the United States of America, while remaining on american soil as a member of the republic, won't help you much anymore and you'll have to resist anyway, especially when foreign UN troops get involved.
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Choice 5. Move

The NWO is not going to be successful in taking over the entire planet. They will not subjugate Russia and China, and those under their influence/in their region.

Even fleeing to Canada would be better than hanging around waiting to be rounded up and sent to a FEMA camp. At least in Canada, you can escape to the Yukon Territory to try to get away from the NWO, at least if you can hide and be self-sufficient.

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Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign.
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you just won all the internets today
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I love america, or a tleast what it was. I have served and lived overseas for a few years and will fight to keep her alive if it comes to that.

But the dream of living in New Zealand, Iceland, Sweden, or anywhere else goes beyond fleeing something your scared of. More so for me its an adventure, new way of life, a way to see new things, meet new people, climb new mountains.. I am a Nomad at heart and would love to see how the others live even if its just for the experience of it all.
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I lived in Netherlands for a few years and I loved it.

The people looked like me, behaved like me and I felt like I fit in better there than I do in the US.
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I am Cherokee. Our forefathers taking the pecefull path years ago was a BIG mistake. They should have killed every person coming off the ships. Man, Woman, and Child.
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One day we will wake up and see big mushroom clouds in the sky, and all will be made right.
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You're talking about the 4th seal of Revelation. It is coming right after people are working a day for a loaf of bread (3rd seal is finished).

Worst judgement since the flood. Absolutely horrific. Best to turn to Christ now. You don't want to be a part of that seal.
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Yes yes our loving God is going to use fire this time to torture and kill us rather than water.
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well there I am, contrarian as usual

I'm the one who left in 2002, coming back now

I've always been ahead of the curve

You gotta get busy living, or busy dying, and every place is a prison of sorts

You have to do what you came to do, not cling to a petty illusion of safety

The US is better than people realize...that's exactly why there is so much effort being made to demoralize and diminish the hopes of people here

If the US population weren't a threat, why would they bother?

Turn off the propaganda TV and look around you and realize that heaven is available here and now

Eh?
 Quoting: IssueX


A lot of people go back to their birthplace to die, and be buried there.
I guess you're one of those...
Are you ready?
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Iceland seems to be getting it right.
Sure it's f'n cold but, it's beautiful & the people are awesome & lifespan is impressive due to quality of life.

to those asking where else to go.... well, gee, there are only over 260 other countries.

be brave if you want to go & try it - do it!
Despite my return, I have no regrets & amazing memories
as well as a renewed gratitude for my home country
despite the
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I left and have returned.

I am Hell Revisited for the bastard who are destroying mankind's greatest achievement: America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32212799


here as well

I am their worst nightmare

an awakened inner party libtard who emerged from the belly of the beast. I know their tricks, I know where they hide, I have zero fear of leaving this plane and I have nothing to lose

doesn't take many of us

and sometimes, one is safest in the eye of the storm, although safety is not what I seek

peace
 Quoting: IssueX


What made you come back?
 Quoting: Liquid_Pestilence


you move to another country, even one as similar to ours as Canada, and you realize how American you are, how much the story of the revolution and founding fathers resonates in your very outlook

you may not think so , but wait until you live in a place where people never question their government, or are afraid to speak their opinions out loud, or take for granted 300 years of monarchy and corruption

you begin to realize what made the US different is somewhere in your very thought process, and it doesn't matter if you are D or R, not if you really resonated with it

and then you realize life is short, and we all come here for a purpose, maybe to make a stand, and maybe its a well known stand or maybe somerthing that never even makes a line of type, but it's your mission, and your spirit knows it

and sure, you could die safe in someone else's home town, someone else's land, always an outsider, always a refugee of sorts...or you could go home and help draw that human line in the sand

that's me, anyway, and it took me over a decade of hard contemplation and thinking to come to this conclusion, and I know it isn't for everyone, but no one who ever got something worthwhile ever did it without risk or losing a pint of blood or two along the way

best of luck to you, and may fair winds be at your back
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This is such an awesome way of describing it all. It really is. As I have mentioned elsewhere, I was lucky enough to visit the US twice last year. I fell in love with the country the minute my feet touched ground. It felt like 'coming home' and I don't know why, yet. I spent my first night walking the streets of NYC with a US friend who I had come to visit, because we missed the last train to Jersey and had to wait six hours for the first one to arrive the next morning.

Now another one of my US friends, who I stayed with on my second visit, is making serious plans to move to Oz this year. She wants to get out of the USA ASAP. It is sad. I understand, but I am saddened that so many feel that this is their only hope now.

So, how could those words resonate for an Australian visitor to your beautiful country (because the country is beautiful)? Simply put, it describes the nature of US citizens so perfectly that the words, alone, affected me in such a way that it was as if I was suddenly back there, in person.

The attitude you describe was etched into the souls of everyone I had the pleasure of meeting when I was there. In fact, I think I only ever met one unpleasant American and she was unpleasant to everyone, apparently, so it was nothing out of the ordinary.

The mental outlook described in that post was everywhere and, apart from the incredibly cheap cost of living in comparison to the state I reside in (you guys are paying prices for things that we paid in the early 1980's) it was one of the things that really stood out when I was there.

I remember watching my friend negotiate (ahem) with an employee at a Tim Horton's outlet. She had been overcharged by a dime. One dime. Here in Oz, we would let that kind of thing go, and just deal with it, complaining under our breath but just getting on with the day. My friend? Oh HELL NO! The manager was called; the whole nine yards. I sat in the back of the car and kind of cringed at this behaviour. We all laughed about it later but, really, it was 'just the way it was' in the US, and that is only one example. I noted that NY drivers seemed to give each other the middle finger for an extended period of time; until they knew the recipient had seen it. In some ways, it seemed like a greeting: [insert 'flipping the bird' here] "Morning Asshole. I saw you yesterday" [insert 'flipping the bird' again] "Morning to you, too, asshole". Over here, that kind of thing is performed by a suicidal driver wishing for a massive road rage incident to occur! LOL! In NY it seemed to be 'just a part of driving'.

After a while, I said to my friend "You guys are so lucky, you know?" She asked me why. I said "You guys have the absolute and utter freedom to be yourselves, and you have the absolute and utter freedom to be complete assholes!"

Now, before anyone gets me wrong here, I did not mean it as an insult to my friend at all, because it wasn't an insult at all and she knew it. It was an observation that amounted to the knowledge that you are free. You can be yourselves. You can express yourselves freely. You are not limited in ways that those of us in other countries are. You are not afraid, are proud to be American, and never forget your foundations, no matter what they may be. It was a beautiful thing to see, feel, and experience. It may sound off to some that I see 'the freedom to be an asshole' as a good thing but, I live in a country where expressing oneself as oneself, is extremely limited in comparison to the US, especially when it comes to voicing (or demonstrating) what may be an unpopular opinion. You are free to risk offending others without feeling the need to apologise. You are all equally free to be beautiful to one another. Your freedom to be kind, generous, loving, and neighbourly is as strong as your freedom to be an asshole is. It all works together to create a very unique culture with incredibly strong individuals. It is dynamic, not stagnant. I loved every second of my time in the US.

I do hope that my words do not offend you. They are not meant to. And I think that sentence speaks volumes about my own culture. I feel it necessary to add a clause explaining that I mean no offence. The US citizens I came to know did not feel it necessary to add such a clause to their own words.

Beautiful country, awesome people, incredible post! Thanks for inadvertently sending me back to the US with those words of yours. I really did love the time I spent there and I am horrified to see what is occurring there now. I really am!
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Re: Record numbers of citizens leaving USA...
New Zealand is a very clean, green and beautiful country. It has always been a world leader in anything to do with environment issues and is Nuclear Free.

The people are open and relatively low key. Many people have said that kiwis are very similar to Canadian's.

There is a growing creative and cultural energy in NZ and when I go back I always find it refreshing. Of course "The Lord of the Rings" Trilogy has meant that a lot of resources are now available for film makers there. I think I even heard that James Cameron is going to move there to live.

Kiwi's are pretty tolerant people and admire hard work so if you are happy to work hard you will soon be accepted.

There is sometimes a general view that Americans can be a bit loud and insular (eg, think kiwis are all running around in grass skirts, etc) but mainly Kiwis take people as they come.

If you love mountains, forests, bush walking, etc, you will be in absolute heaven!

Where I was brought up is very rural and as a young person I felt like I wanted to see the world and it was all too boring. Someone mentioned that the cost of living is a bit higher which is true. Compared to Australia the wages are a bit lower too.

As suggested, take a little trip and see how you like it. Make sure you include the South Island in the trip as this is the most beautiful and scenic if you love Mountains.










I am a Kiwi who lived in the UK for years and now reside in Australia.

If you are determined and willing to take the risk you can survive anywhere.

New Zealand is beautiful but because it is a smaller country there are not the opportunities that bigger countries provide.

Save hard and go for a visit to them all and see which one feels good.

I firmly believe that if you have a good work ethic and are prepared to make some sacrifice along the way you can end up living anywhere.
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Tell me about New Zealand, I am a huge outdoor kinda guy and that place looks like the most beautiful country on the planet from what i can tell. How are jobs? how hard is it getting a job as an ex american? are we liked or at least tolerated by the Kiwi's ?
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Canadians are not open, I was willing to work hard but was not accepted, Canadians are often a bunch of jerks. They are not genuinely tolerant. The "multiculturalism" is a farce, I am not the only one who thinkgs so.

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