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Most Israelis disagree with Netanyahu on Iran: Poll

 
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Ok Swin, so Izzy elekshunses are tommorrow.

Hadn't followed closely, but Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is favoured to win, obviously. Although apparently his party has been sliding in the polls, which has given the 'Treasonist/Cowardly Left' camp in Israel some reason for optimism. The liberal MSM is only too happy to oblige that narrative.

Of course anyone with any sense, Bibi's relative decline would come as no shock -- if only because

1) Israel being a remarkably diverse, dynamic, at times crazy society...like it or not, even a real leader like Bibi can never count on automatic population-wide support. Heck, as I mentioned earlier, even Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln faced huge opposition and ungrateful, short-attention-spanned electorate. Think about that!

2) Moreover, Netanyahu actually lost to Kadima's leader Tsipi Livni 4 years ago, and only her sheer incompetence & megalomania prevented her from forming the ruling coalition... twice. And that was when Israeli public was really pissed off at Kadima as a whole -- what with its leader Olmert bungling the 2nd Lebanon War, its Foreign Minister Livni embarassing Israel during UN Resolution 1701 and then at the summit in Annapolis. If that weren't enough, Olmert tried to literally give Israel away to Mahmoud Abbas during secret negotiations.... Did I mention Olmert was forced to re-sign after being indicted on several conrts ----> with his popularity dropping as low a 7% thus making George Bush look like Winston Churchill in comparison? LOL

3) Furthermore... with Kadima party in charge, Operation Castlead was inexplicable stopped mid-way through. Israelis were rightly pissed off... and DESPITE all **that** Tsipi Livni still beat Netanyahu. And that's with right-wing George W. Bush just having left office --- Bush didn't have love for Bibi, but unlike Obama, he didn't try to sabotage Likud party, either. And Neyanyahu STILL lost. So tell you that if nothing else, in modern Israel there is a ceiling to any given party's popularity, especially the free-market, capitalist-oriented, Hawkish Likud.

4) Ok. Now flash-forward 4 years later. Bibi indeed helped Israel weather the worst economic global crisis since the Great Depression.... however, he didn't have a magic want to magically make all problems go away & create socialist utopia, so naturally the ungrateful public will still punish him for rising prices of cottage cheese & elite condos in downtown Tel Aviv, LOL!

5) Then there is the truly UNPRECENTED attack organized against him by TPTB -- spearheaded by Obama, Soros, the Saudi/Qatari-bribed EU beurocrats, the Palestinian naturally... and of course the Israeli Left that ecompasses not just political parties & NGO's, but also courts, media, labor unions, Socialist-era remnant oligarchies & cartels, justice dept, a good chunk of IDF, police & intelligence agencies. Literally attacking on all fronts, from both right-, center- and Left. Heck, they even timed the indictment of Avigdor Lieberman on "moral turpitude" right before elections so as to maximize the damage to Likud. Now a lesser politician than Netanyahu would folded long time ago.

6) And if that wasn't enough, the unexpected rise of a young, charismatic Religious-Nationalist Naftali Bennett, a former Netanyahu protege, seems to have robbed another 5-10 Knesset seats from Bibi's party.

7) Voter fatigue. Familiarity breeding comtept. Trite but true. Meaning, that while many voters deep down, intellectually, know that there is NO viable PM alternative to Netanyahu at present time... emotionally & subconsciously, people yearn for novelty, for freshness, for HOPE, however misguided. That always works against the incumbent (yes, even against a transformational figure with an amazing aparatus behind him like Barack Obama in 2012 elections that he only won because GOP sheer incompetence & lack of unity). That would also explain why voter so readily embraces charismatic johnny-come-lately's like Yair Lapid & Naftali Bennett.

8) On top of all **that** going against Netanyahu this time around, i.e. the things that are hardly in his control... there is also the fact that Bibi further exacerbated his own problems by running a LACKLUSTER election campaign -- much like Obama complicated the situation by basically not even showing up to the 1st debate against Romney....I guess it's human nature: when Bibi saw initial polls that gave his party 40+ seats, it was easy to get complacent & instead spend his attention on governing the country, on Iranian nuke problem, etc. All while opponents from the left, right and center continued their pre-election barrage against him. Even his former partners in the coalition, Shas, are cutting corrupt deals with the Left and assailing Bibi relentlessly. Even PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has tried to spread lies about Bibi that he permitted 200,000 Syrian-Palestinian "refugees" to enter West Bank, was designed for one purpose: torpedo Likud's chances.

Like I said, there has never been such massive, concerted, international campaign to defeat a policitian & impose a will on a soverign nation...

So, all told, the Likud slide to as few as 30 mandates in some polls is not exactly a shock.



So if under these incredibly difficult circumstances, Netanyahu STILL somehows pulls out, say, 38 Knesset seats + Naftali Bennet gets another say 13-15... it would be nothing short of TRIUMPH for both Right-wing & Israel as a whole.

I guess we'll see. Hopefully there is no George Soros vote-counting boys in Spain to electronically flip votes this time around :)
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38 seems high, but yeah, guess we'll see.
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don't get me started on shas, ashton. just don't.
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Hey, Mr. Swinburnian, what do you think of Bibi's pre-election maneuver to taking the precious Land Administration away from your beloved Shas... and give it to the popular Moshe Cachlon?

Yay or nay?

:)
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i think i'm having a stroke
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Please don't have stroke.
I maked bad Englishing joke.
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what do you think of lapid, btw? do you think he's likely to end up in the government?
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38 seems high, but yeah, guess we'll see.
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I said IF Bibi were to receive 38 and HBHY another 14... that would be nothing short of triumphant given all the obstacles & enemies that the Right is facing -- both in Israel, in Pali territories & abroad...

Heck, you even having the oh-so-democratic Arab League blatantly interferring in Israel elections by riling up Israeli-Arabs to come to the polls in great numbers and defeat Netanyahu... the Arab freakin' League. The words "irony" and "chutzpah" don't even begin to describe it, Hahaha!

Remember there is also Don Altobello. If Bibi mandate total were to drop into 20's and somehow Labor got over 20... that old suckcocker might just decide to invoke "best interest of the state" battle-cry and instead havev Shelley Yachimovich form the ruling coalition.

The horrah, oh the horrah, Shiela, the flippin' horrah! :)
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38 seems high, but yeah, guess we'll see.
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I said IF Bibi were to receive 38 and HBHY another 14... that would be nothing short of triumphant given all the obstacles & enemies that the Right is facing -- both in Israel, in Pali territories & abroad...

Heck, you even having the oh-so-democratic Arab League blatantly interferring in Israel elections by riling up Israeli-Arabs to come to the polls in great numbers and defeat Netanyahu... the Arab freakin' League. The words "irony" and "chutzpah" don't even begin to describe it, Hahaha!

Remember there is also Don Altobello. If Bibi mandate total were to drop into 20's and somehow Labor got over 20... that old suckcocker might just decide to invoke "best interest of the state" battle-cry and instead havev Shelley Yachimovich form the ruling coalition.

The horrah, oh the horrah, Shiela, the flippin' horrah! :)
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don't worry -- i guarantee it won't happen. and i'm a legitimate businessman.
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what do you think of lapid, btw? do you think he's likely to end up in the government?
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"(Slightly) better-looking George Stephanopolous -- minus 50 IQ points and Rhodes scholarship".


Surresli, Swin, beware of Lapids, he's setting off all kinds of red-flags. Chief among them

1) He is not qualified. Especially with country's future literally hanging in the balance (see: Iran nuke program, chemical Syria, "Arab Spring" misnomer, Global recession; off-shore gas disputes; the cavernous
Peace, um, Process"...etc).

Same as with Yachimovich basically: if blabbing on TV is your claim to fame, then I got major issues with that.

2) His father's hatred of religious. While Yair Lapid is doing a good job parsing/mincing his words so as to not scare voters away... if anything, as Tsipi Livni and Ronald Raegan's examples show, elite's children are even more radical/liberal than their parents.

3) What are his real beliefs or track record outside of sloganerring & vague hints? Enlist all ultra-orthodox? Really? Even IDF doesn't want that

4) That said... Of course, he COULD be Bibi's plant/gimmick to begin with, designed to siphon votes away from (the predicted) Shelley-Livni-Mofaz-Shas alliance. In which case, Lapid is doing a good job... Go Lapid go, you go girl :)


If that latter is true, then of course Lapid will not only seat in Bibi's government, he will get a ministerial portfolio out of it, too.

But who knows, really.
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3) What are his real beliefs or track record outside of sloganerring & vague hints? Enlist all ultra-orthodox? Really? Even IDF doesn't want that.


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Then there is Israel-Arabs. Enlisting them will only work if you were to threaten to take away their welfare & other priviliges like not paying taxes or affirmative-action school/job admittance.... if not their citizenship altogether.

And that will cause 3rd intifada that WB/Gaza (if not Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Turkey) will gladly join into.

I am not saying that drafting Haredi or Arabs shouldn't be done -- but I don't trust Lapid's ability -- nor his credibility. Not a word of it, in fact.

YMMV.
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3) What are his real beliefs or track record outside of sloganerring & vague hints? Enlist all ultra-orthodox? Really? Even IDF doesn't want that.


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Then there is Israel-Arabs. Enlisting them will only work if you were to threaten to take away their welfare & other priviliges like not paying taxes or affirmative-action school/job admittance.... if not their citizenship altogether.

And that will cause 3rd intifada that WB/Gaza (if not Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Turkey) will gladly join into.

I am not saying that drafting Haredi or Arabs shouldn't be done -- but I don't trust Lapid's ability -- nor his credibility. Not a word of it, in fact.

YMMV.
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agree
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Ok Swin, so Izzy elekshunses are tommorrow.

Hadn't followed closely, but Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is favoured to win, obviously. Although apparently his party has been sliding in the polls, which has given the 'Treasonist/Cowardly Left' camp in Israel some reason for optimism. The liberal MSM are only too happy to oblige that narrative.

Of course anyone with any sense, Bibi's relative decline would come as no shock -- if only because

1) Israel being a remarkably diverse, dynamic, at times crazy society...like it or not, even a real leader like Bibi can never count on automatic population-wide support. Heck, as I mentioned earlier, even Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln faced huge opposition and ungrateful, short-attention-spanned electorate. Think about that!

2) Moreover, Netanyahu actually lost to Kadima's leader Tsipi Livni 4 years ago, and only her sheer incompetence & megalomania prevented her from forming the ruling coalition... twice. And that was when Israeli public was really pissed off at Kadima as a whole -- what with its leader Olmert bungling the 2nd Lebanon War, its Foreign Minister Livni embarassing Israel during UN Resolution 1701 and then at the summit in Annapolis. If that weren't enough, Olmert tried to literally give Israel away to Mahmoud Abbas during secret negotiations.... Did I mention Olmert was forced to resign after being indicted on several counts ----> with his popularity dropping as low a 7% thus making George Bush look like Winston Churchill in comparison? LOL

3) Furthermore... with Kadima party in charge, 'Operation Castlead' was inexplicable stopped mid-way through. Israelis were rightly pissed off... and DESPITE all **that** Tsipi Livni still beat Netanyahu. And that's with right-wing POTUS George W. Bush just having left office --- while Bush didn't have love for Bibi, unlike Obama, he didn't try to sabotage Likud party every step of the way, either. And Neyanyahu STILL lost. So that right there tells you that if nothing else, in modern Israel there is a ceiling to any given party's popularity - especially the free-market, capitalist-oriented, Hawkish Likud that is not afraid to tell the Israeli public the unpleasant and thus unpopular truth.

4) Ok. Now flash-forward 4 years later. Bibi indeed helped Israel weather the worst economic global crisis since the Great Depression.... however, he didn't have a magic wand to magically make all problems go away & create socialist utopia, so naturally the ungrateful public will still punish him for rising prices of cottage cheese & elite condos in downtown Tel Aviv, LOL!

5) Then there is the truly UNPRECEDENTED attack organized against him by TPTB -- spear-headed by Obama, Soros, the Saudi/Qatari-bribed EU beurocrats, the Palestinians naturally... and of course by the Israeli Left Establishment that encompasses not just political parties & NGO's, but also courts, media, labor unions, the Socialist-era remnant oligarchies & cartels, justice dept... and a good chunk of IDF, police & intelligence agencies on the dole. Literally attacking him on all fronts, from both right-, center- and Left. Heck, they even timed the indictment of Avigdor Lieberman on "moral turpitude" right before elections, so as to maximize the damage to Likud. Now a lesser politician than Netanyahu would folded under that tremendeous pressure a long time ago.

6) And if that wasn't enough, the unexpected rise of a young, charismatic Religious-Nationalist Right-winger Naftali Bennett, a former Netanyahu protege, seems to have robbed another 5-10 Knesset seats from Bibi's party.

7) Voter fatigue. Familiarity breeding contempt. Trite but true. Meaning, that while many voters deep down, intellectually, know that there is NO viable PM alternative to Netanyahu at present time... emotionally & subconsciously, however, people yearn for novelty, for freshness, for HOPE (however misguided). That always works against the incumbent (yes, even against a transformational figure with an amazing aparatus behind him like Barack Obama in 2012 elections that he only won because GOP sheer incompetence & lack of unity). That would also explain why Israeli voter so readily embraces charismatic johnny-come-lately's like Yair Lapid & Naftali Bennett.

8) On top of all **that** going against Netanyahu this time around, i.e. the things that are hardly in his control... there is also the fact that Bibi further exacerbated his own problems by running a LACKLUSTER election campaign -- much like Obama complicated the situation by basically not even showing up to the 1st debate against Romney, which almost cost him the Presidence....I guess it's human nature: when Bibi saw initial polls that gave his party 40+ seats, it was easy to get complacent & instead spend his attention on governing the country, on Iranian nuke problem, etc.

All while opponents from the left, right and center continued their pre-election barrage against him. Even his former partners in the coalition, Shas, are cutting corrupt deals with the Left and assailing Bibi relentlessly. Even PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has tried to spread lies about Bibi that he permitted 200,000 Syrian-Palestinian "refugees" to enter West Bank, was designed for one purpose: torpedo Likud's chances.

Like I said, there has never been such massive, concerted, international campaign to defeat a policitian & impose the will on a sovereign nation...

So, all told, the Likud slide to as few as 30 mandates in some polls is not exactly a shock.



So if under these incredibly difficult circumstances, Netanyahu STILL somehows pulls out, say, 38 Knesset seats + Naftali Bennet gets another say 13-15... it would be nothing short of TRIUMPH for both Right-wing & Israel as a whole.

I guess we'll see. Hopefully there is no George Soros vote-counting boys in Spain to electronically flip votes this time around :)
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Re: point #8

If I made it sound that Netanyahu, aside from uncontrollable external factors.... is also a victim of his own complacency...

well, it's not quite so simple --- Bibi ALSO consciously alienated many Right-wingers by doing things like:

1) Appointing long-time Lefty like Ehud Barak as Defense Minister.

2) Destroying Jewish outposts that Likud themselves encouraged to be built in the 1990s... freezing settlement construction....and generally allowing Ehud Barak and BAGATZ (Supreme Court) to basically impose their elitist will on the Israeli majority. Not to mention, making concessions to Obama and Co.

3) Not preventing or sufficiently punishing Abbas tearing up Olso Accords at the UNGA in Novemeber.

4) General waffling on the fence and prevaricating. While not rushing into decision CAN be a sign of a shewed statesman playing the "long game"... in the short term, it's usually punished at the election polls.

5) Iran. Centrifuges in Natanz and Fordo. Still spinning. And while it can be argued that it's unextremely unfair to blame Bibi for the 20 year Ostrich-like criminal neglect of Ayatollah's nuke program by Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama, and the revolving door of European Union fat-ass beurocrats ---> not to mention by Israel's successesive Labor & Kadima governments who cared more about giving up land to Palestinians than they apparently did about the Iranian threat.....

And while Bibi allegedly has done a lot to slow down Iran's drive toward nukes, most of it of covert variety.... fact remains: BUCK STOPS WITH BIBI.

To quote Clint Eastwood, "Fair has nothing to do with it."


So again, it's not suprising why polls were not looking as strong for Likud, as of recently.

Let's hope average Israeli voter has some common sense & political awareness left, though to see through all Left's intelligence-insulting BS.
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3) What are his real beliefs or track record outside of sloganerring & vague hints? Enlist all ultra-orthodox? Really? Even IDF doesn't want that.


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Then there is Israel-Arabs. Enlisting them will only work if you were to threaten to take away their welfare & other priviliges like not paying taxes or affirmative-action school/job admittance.... if not their citizenship altogether.

And that will cause 3rd intifada that WB/Gaza (if not Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Turkey) will gladly join into.

I am not saying that drafting Haredi or Arabs shouldn't be done -- but I don't trust Lapid's ability -- nor his credibility. Not a word of it, in fact.

YMMV.
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agree
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'Your Mileage May Vary'


Are you sure you're a Canadian?
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3) What are his real beliefs or track record outside of sloganerring & vague hints? Enlist all ultra-orthodox? Really? Even IDF doesn't want that.


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Then there is Israel-Arabs. Enlisting them will only work if you were to threaten to take away their welfare & other priviliges like not paying taxes or affirmative-action school/job admittance.... if not their citizenship altogether.

And that will cause 3rd intifada that WB/Gaza (if not Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Turkey) will gladly join into.

I am not saying that drafting Haredi or Arabs shouldn't be done -- but I don't trust Lapid's ability -- nor his credibility. Not a word of it, in fact.

YMMV.
 Quoting: ASV 777084


agree
"ymmv"?
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'Your Mileage May Vary'


Are you sure you're a Canadian?
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yeah -- maybe not a typical one. not really getting it ....
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Then there is Israel-Arabs. Enlisting them will only work if you were to threaten to take away their welfare & other priviliges like not paying taxes or affirmative-action school/job admittance.... if not their citizenship altogether.

And that will cause 3rd intifada that WB/Gaza (if not Hezbollah, Syria, Iran, Egypt, Turkey) will gladly join into.

I am not saying that drafting Haredi or Arabs shouldn't be done -- but I don't trust Lapid's ability -- nor his credibility. Not a word of it, in fact.

YMMV.
 Quoting: ASV 777084


agree
"ymmv"?
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'Your Mileage May Vary'


Are you sure you're a Canadian?
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yeah -- maybe not a typical one. not really getting it ....
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"...though based on your personal experience in the matter, it may yield different results", OR "when viewed through your particular sujective prism, you may arrive at different conclusion".

something along those liens.

Hey, it's your language NOT mine, afterall, Swin, so you figure it out, K? :)
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agree
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'Your Mileage May Vary'


Are you sure you're a Canadian?
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yeah -- maybe not a typical one. not really getting it ....
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"...though based on your personal experience in the matter, it may yield different results", OR "when viewed through your particular sujective prism, you may arrive at different conclusion".

something along those liens.

Hey, it's your language NOT mine, afterall, Swin, so you figure it out, K? :)
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get it -- a reference to car ads. stupid phrase, imo. stop using it.
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agree
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'Your Mileage May Vary'


Are you sure you're a Canadian?
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yeah -- maybe not a typical one. not really getting it ....
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"...though based on your personal experience in the matter, it may yield different results", OR "when viewed through your particular sujective prism, you may arrive at different conclusion".

something along those liens.

Hey, it's your language NOT mine, afterall, Swin, so you figure it out, K? :)
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Car ads, huh? I guess it makes sense; should have guessed its automotive genesis, lol... hey live in learn.

Maybe in lieu of car ads you apparently find so distasteful... would you prefer Swarvoski Diamonds?

"Your 60% Authentic Shine May Vary"?
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'Your Mileage May Vary'


Are you sure you're a Canadian?
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yeah -- maybe not a typical one. not really getting it ....
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"...though based on your personal experience in the matter, it may yield different results", OR "when viewed through your particular sujective prism, you may arrive at different conclusion".

something along those liens.

Hey, it's your language NOT mine, afterall, Swin, so you figure it out, K? :)
 Quoting: ASV 777084


Car ads, huh? I guess it makes sense; should have guessed its automotive genesis, lol... hey live in learn.

Maybe in lieu of car ads you apparently find so distasteful... would you prefer Swarvoski Diamonds?

"Your 60% Authentic Shine May Vary"?
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[link to www.hulu.com]
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yeah -- maybe not a typical one. not really getting it ....
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"...though based on your personal experience in the matter, it may yield different results", OR "when viewed through your particular sujective prism, you may arrive at different conclusion".

something along those liens.

Hey, it's your language NOT mine, afterall, Swin, so you figure it out, K? :)
 Quoting: ASV 777084


Car ads, huh? I guess it makes sense; should have guessed its automotive genesis, lol... hey live in learn.

Maybe in lieu of car ads you apparently find so distasteful... would you prefer Swarvoski Diamonds?

"Your 60% Authentic Shine May Vary"?
 Quoting: ASV 777084


[link to www.hulu.com]
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what about "you may disagree" or nothing at all since that's actually obvious?
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likud concerned about low turnout in likud bastions
party official says they'll be "lucky to get 31 seats"

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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"...though based on your personal experience in the matter, it may yield different results", OR "when viewed through your particular sujective prism, you may arrive at different conclusion".

something along those liens.

Hey, it's your language NOT mine, afterall, Swin, so you figure it out, K? :)
 Quoting: ASV 777084


Car ads, huh? I guess it makes sense; should have guessed its automotive genesis, lol... hey live in learn.

Maybe in lieu of car ads you apparently find so distasteful... would you prefer Swarvoski Diamonds?

"Your 60% Authentic Shine May Vary"?
 Quoting: ASV 777084


[link to www.hulu.com]
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what about "you may disagree" or nothing at all since that's actually obvious?
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Never!
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Car ads, huh? I guess it makes sense; should have guessed its automotive genesis, lol... hey live in learn.

Maybe in lieu of car ads you apparently find so distasteful... would you prefer Swarvoski Diamonds?

"Your 60% Authentic Shine May Vary"?
 Quoting: ASV 777084


[link to www.hulu.com]
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what about "you may disagree" or nothing at all since that's actually obvious?
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Never!
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you'll like this quote:

5.37 P.M. Labor MK Isaac Herzog: If voter turnout exceeds 70 percent, [Labor leader Shelly] Yacimovich will be the next prime minister

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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See: my 2 long posts on this page. Considering the unprecedented massive propaganda attack on Netanyahu, both external & internal... and Bibi's own complacency & at times inexplicably anti-Rightist decision, his battle against his natural Rightist allies, including Bennett --- all in a futile attempt to court liberal voters...

Just like Mitt Romney's Stephens guy didn't think enough to bombard social media & maximize the get-out-the-vote campaign... it appears conservatives may be their own worst enemies once again.

Ironically enough, by splitting votes away from Labor and each other, Tsipi Livni & Yair Lapid gave Netanyahu his best chance to survive. But the big lead ni polls, may have given an excuse to potential Likud voters who aren't happy with Bibi, that their votes aren't really needed anyway so they might as well stay home or vote for Otzma or HBHY just for fun.

Plot thickens, LOL.
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what about "you may disagree" or nothing at all since that's actually obvious?
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Never!
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you'll like this quote:

5.37 P.M. Labor MK Isaac Herzog: If voter turnout exceeds 70 percent, [Labor leader Shelly] Yacimovich will be the next prime minister

[link to www.haaretz.com]
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LOL wait, I thought you were the one who said that can never happen. No way Don Altobello asks Hatchet-Face to form a coalition.

Nah, my life won't be changed by this one scintilla; heck even if hard-core Communists come to power, my profession is always in demand. Feel bad for Israelis though if th country is run by Yachimovich-Livni-Zahava Ga'lion & Hanin Zoabi; Jews seem to be gluttons for punishment.
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what about "you may disagree" or nothing at all since that's actually obvious?
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Never!
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you'll like this quote:

5.37 P.M. Labor MK Isaac Herzog: If voter turnout exceeds 70 percent, [Labor leader Shelly] Yacimovich will be the next prime minister

[link to www.haaretz.com]
 Quoting: Swinburnian


LOL wait, I thought you were the one who said that can never happen. No way Don Altobello asks Hatchet-Face to form a coalition.

Nah, my life won't be changed by this one scintilla; heck even if hard-core Communists come to power, my profession is always in demand. Feel bad for Israelis though if th country is run by Yachimovich-Livni-Zahava Ga'lion & Hanin Zoabi; Jews seem to be gluttons for punishment.
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5.45 P.M. In unprecedented move, Latin Patricarch of Jerusalem Michel Sabbah urges Israeli Arabs to vote.

7.15 P.M. Voter turnout picking up in Arab communities. In Nazareth, 44 percent have voted.
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Never!
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you'll like this quote:

5.37 P.M. Labor MK Isaac Herzog: If voter turnout exceeds 70 percent, [Labor leader Shelly] Yacimovich will be the next prime minister

[link to www.haaretz.com]
 Quoting: Swinburnian


LOL wait, I thought you were the one who said that can never happen. No way Don Altobello asks Hatchet-Face to form a coalition.

Nah, my life won't be changed by this one scintilla; heck even if hard-core Communists come to power, my profession is always in demand. Feel bad for Israelis though if th country is run by Yachimovich-Livni-Zahava Ga'lion & Hanin Zoabi; Jews seem to be gluttons for punishment.
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5.45 P.M. In unprecedented move, Latin Patricarch of Jerusalem Michel Sabbah urges Israeli Arabs to vote.

7.15 P.M. Voter turnout picking up in Arab communities. In Nazareth, 44 percent have voted.
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I don't think it's so unprecented. THis is Middle East. THe Patriarch got bribed or threatened, so he he said what they told him to say.

As for Arabs... this is why it was a smart decision NOT to ban 'Balad' party as a sort of a lightening-rod. Otherwise their votes would go to Labor --- just like 90% of Muslims votes going to Socialist Hollande in France got him (just barely) elected over admittedly mediocre Sarcozy.

I am surprised Labor didn't court Arabs openly; I guess they were afraid of potential blown-back from center- and right-voters.



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you'll like this quote:

5.37 P.M. Labor MK Isaac Herzog: If voter turnout exceeds 70 percent, [Labor leader Shelly] Yacimovich will be the next prime minister

[link to www.haaretz.com]
 Quoting: Swinburnian


LOL wait, I thought you were the one who said that can never happen. No way Don Altobello asks Hatchet-Face to form a coalition.

Nah, my life won't be changed by this one scintilla; heck even if hard-core Communists come to power, my profession is always in demand. Feel bad for Israelis though if th country is run by Yachimovich-Livni-Zahava Ga'lion & Hanin Zoabi; Jews seem to be gluttons for punishment.
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5.45 P.M. In unprecedented move, Latin Patricarch of Jerusalem Michel Sabbah urges Israeli Arabs to vote.

7.15 P.M. Voter turnout picking up in Arab communities. In Nazareth, 44 percent have voted.
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I don't think it's so unprecented. THis is Middle East. THe Patriarch got bribed or threatened, so he he said what they told him to say. unprecedented in that the the latin patriarch has never done this before

As for Arabs... this is why it was a smart decision NOT to ban 'Balad' party as a sort of a lightening-rod. Otherwise their votes would go to Labor --- just like 90% of Muslims votes going to Socialist Hollande in France got him (just barely) elected over admittedly mediocre Sarcozy.
agree

I am surprised Labor didn't court Arabs openly; I guess they were afraid of potential blown-back from center- and right-voters. agree


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7.34 P.M. High voter turnout reported in IDF bases as well, standing at 60 percent - up 13 percent since 2009

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7.49 P.M. Likud is attempting to minimize Yesh Atid's apparent success. "We've sent our volunteers to tell floating voters that voting for Lapid will strengthen the center-left bloc and weaken Netanyahu," said Minister Gilad Erdan.




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7.34 P.M. High voter turnout reported in IDF bases as well, standing at 60 percent - up 13 percent since 2009

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I bet there is fraud in Arab towns & precincts where Jewish observers are nonexistent or very few & intimidated.

That's how you get "very high" turn-out %.
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7.34 P.M. High voter turnout reported in IDF bases as well, standing at 60 percent - up 13 percent since 2009

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I bet there is fraud in Arab towns & precincts where Jewish observers are nonexistent or very few & intimidated.

That's how you get "very high" turn-out %.
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well the turnout in arab towns looks to be high for arab towns -- not terribly high in absolute terms or when compared to other places.
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7.49 P.M. Likud is attempting to minimize Yesh Atid's apparent success. "We've sent our volunteers to tell floating voters that voting for Lapid will strengthen the center-left bloc and weaken Netanyahu," said Minister Gilad Erdan.




[link to www.haaretz.com]
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It's curious that you're quoting a germany-owned, Bibi-loathing, far-leftie rag like 'Hahaha-aretz'.

Same newspaper whose former editor Levy pretty much admitted that the paper-wide agenda was against Israeli presence in South Lebanon not becauuse of strategic or economic concenrs, only purely because of ideological reasons & because the elite's kids would be in danger of serving patrols.

Same paper that just yesterday REFUSED to report on the news that new, ground-breaking upgrade of Iron Dome has been tested in Central Israel ----> presumably out of fear that it will be seen as another succuess in Netanyahu's "belt".

All other newspapers, including Yediot Ahronot, Jerusalem Post, Maariv, Israel Hayom, Arutz Sheva reported it right away instead of waiting a day.

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