Most Israelis disagree with Netanyahu on Iran: Poll

Uh, that's only "hard" for you work out because you're a freakin' (limp-wristed, ennui-stricken, hopelessly confused) I-D-I-O-T.

1) It wasn't 90 or 92. It was probably closer to 1999.

2) And guess what, dummy? Even if it was 1989... Netanyahu was 100% RIGHT about the Iranian clandestine nuke program & terror-sponsoring all over the world. Had Bill Clinton wasn't such a useless, sociopathic, fattie-intern cigar-banging coward who lucked out on the economy following Reagan & George Bush Sr's defeat of Evil Empire ---> Clinton could have taken out North Korean, Iran nuke programs, as well as severely curtailed Pakistan's + killed off Bin Laden before 9/11.... But because Clinton was a vainglorious POS who preferred to listen to "snarky" idiots like you who think Iran is some kind of misunderstood anti-Illuminati rebel...Slick Willy had other priorities, and in 2013 we're all on the verge of World War 3 over Mullah's Mahdi hallucinations & hegemonic ambitions.

In other words, it has precious LITTLE to do with Netanyahu, ya malodorous cretin. If anything, with Stuxnet, Duqu, Flame, assassinations & other industrial "accidents" in Iran, it's the only thing that has slowed down the program, and the only reason why the Teheran Twelver psychos don't have an arsenal...



(LMAO! Between the Jew-hating/envious UK, Irish and Aussie trolls, I am not sure which one takes the shit-crown. Close race to the finish, ahahaha. Even your average Canadian libtard isn't as clueless -- probably because Stephen Harper's awesomeness couldn't help but rub off on them in spite of their wishes ;)

Oh god, yet another post by a shill for the Self-Chosenites.

read this, it's a good start unpacking all the bullshit surrounding that shitty little country and it's *terroristswhoarenaziswhowanttokillsixmillionjews*. Heh, more like a bunch of cutthroat psycho gangsters on both "sides" who keep mind-fucking and profiting off the dude on the street, jew and palestinian alike. Same-same vis-a-vis Iran.

[link to twelfthbough.blogspot.com]

money quotes from commentators.

"Isn't the 'dialectic' a wonderful weapon for doing war by deception?

Who would suspect that Israel would found and support Islamicist Hamas; or that the Zionist West would now be supporting and promoting Islamicist organizations such as the Al-Queda (tm) franchise or The Muslim Brotherhood; or that International Jewish bankers (surely the acme of capitalism) would have financed Carl Marx then establish and support the 20th century Communist Revolutions?"

"Excellent article, Peasant!

That move of Meshaal out of Syria was indeed a "look-there" moment. At the beginning of the violence there, people around Meshaal forced Palestinians to go protest at the israeli border, and the israelis shot a bunch of them according to accounts.

If the Hamas was all that pro-Palestinian they'd behave different. Already in the 2009 massacre they shot perhaps thousands of rockets at israel and caused minimal damage, this time around same thing. To me it makes no sense at all because immediately north of Gaza is the Zikim training base and just north is a giant refinery. If they hit the refinery good, and it is indefensible against even a modicum of the crappy rockets they use, Hamas could put out the lights in half israel and damn the consequences because Palestinians in Gaza really have nothing left to lose. Second thing is they apparently haven't even tried to build tank traps at the borders, third thing is they have also apparently failed to even attempt to put all military age males AND females into military training and build a militia, what would be the first thing I'd do in their situation. All that and the general complaints from Gazans that they are being bled dry by that parasitic mafia makes Hamas more than suspect as you say.

There is also another angle on al-Thani, a Palestinian view. When the Sheikh went to Gaza it was apparently to propose Hamas to create an Emirate (islamic principality) and obviously to show that they have diplomatic support. Due to that act alone, Abbas, who is generally looked at like a turd due to his unbridled looting of the Palestinians in the West Bank and his craven collaboration with the israelis, went to his israeli masters and incited them to attack Gaza in order to keep his status with them - it would not be out of character, and he did exactly that back in the runup to the 2009 massacre."

I didn't think it was even possible to be WRONG multiple times on literally every single point... but congrats you've done, trollio. LMAO, that was side-slapper, just hysterical stuff.

LOL, "2009 massacre"? Israel must be the all-time worst, most ineffectual genocide-perpetuator in history of history -- what with takin unprecedented precautions to NOT harm Hamas human-shields known as "Gazans", and what with Gaza population exploding 10 times in recent decades.... I guess Israel would be better served taking Massacre 101 lessons from Syria, Iraq, Turkey, Iran, Russia, even the US... :)

Seriously, seek medicaal help immediately, you're one step away from James Holmes and Adam Lanza level of kuh-razy. Even patsy Goldstone shamefully RECANTED his report and admittetd he was lied to
Palestinians on everything.

^This^

Yea idiots galore, all undoubtedly also Obama supporters.

Nah, most of them consider Obama to be Bush 2.0 "Zionist Stooge". Remember, UK "voters" ran Winston freakin' Churchill, the embodiment of WW-2 triumph, out of office within, like, months of the war's end. Yep, ungrateful fool -- and mind you, that was long time before befor UK got Islamicized/Africanized, so the average Brit has only gotten more pathetic & clueless since...

John Sullivan is a fraud

Don't know about that, all stupid people support Obama, lol.

Btw, this was of my favourite parts.

Uh... Hamas may be a lot of things, evil blood-thirsty inhuman... but STUPID is not one of them.

They would not DARE fire on Israel refinery with an intent to hit, who are you kidding here, LOL!

Because then gloves would be off, Israel would bomb the shit out of every bit of infrastrucure in Gaza -- making it literally unlivable & Gazans fleeing into Sinai peninsula, with Israel re-takig the Strip for good with relatively littel resistance (heck, even without scorched-earth approach in either 2009 or 2012, most brave Hamas ran away like rats and hid, not even daring to fire on an Israel tank at the border, nevermind fight in the open).

Same why the much-better armed Hezbollah sat out last 2 fights with Palis. For all of Nasrallah's fire-and-brimstone rhetoric for internal consumption, even he regrets starting the 2006 conflict --- and this time around the would be no Leftie Olmert-Peretz clown college to take it easy on them, either....

They, too, know what awaits them if they so much as think about attacking Israel energy infrastructure.

Not only will it be the end of Lebanon, but also of Iran ---> Israel could set Persian Gulf on fire and thus throw world's economy into Depression... without even being seen or heard, with plausible deniability.

Hamas knows it. Hezbollah knows it. Most importantly, Iran knows it. That why there is likely an unofficial mutual understanding that "you don't show me yours, and I won't show you MINE".

Get a clue, tough guy.

The poll was carried out by an Israeli paper and then parroted by PressTV. That doesn't make the poll less credible, idiots.

If it were only carried out by PressTV, then it wouldn't be credible. I can't believe I even need to state this. But agendas don't give a shit anyway.

What we need to do is hold a referendum here in America to see how America REALLY feels about these subjects. The prospect of that likely scares the shit out of the special interests. Because we don't give a flying fuck about Israel, en masse. And we don't want to go to war with Iran. Period.

And that would force NATO's hand. You're a moron.

It's understandable - he's their Messiah, afterall.

Axelrod, Maina, Plouffe and their Saudi/Qatari sponsors + Soros must be laughing their asses off. Literally. Hey, I would be too if I were them.

LMAO!

Israel IS practically NATO. No amount of Erdogan whining will change that.

And what part of "plausible deniability" did you not understand? "It must have been thjose al-Qaeda and al-Qods cycle of revenge gone awry"

Btw, seeing NATO incapable handling al-Shaabab or some Mali tuaregs... I think folks in Jerusalem will sleep soundly.

Israel isn't a member of NATO. You're operating on a lot of assumptions. You see, contrary to online polls - America doesn't give a shit about Israel. And is becoming fed up. Call us racists, nationalists, or what-have-you. Either way, we're watching. That pendulum is comin around

It's a good thing, then, that... NO ONE ASKED YOU.

Worthless Ron Paulnik pussies didn't really want to go fight in either WW-1 and WW-2.

And in Civil War. And even leading up to the Revolutonary War, you monkeys had to be practically dragged to the battlefield by Washington and Co.

During Cold War, too, one thing Liberals & phony "Libertarian" poseurs had in common -- slow-cooked capitalution to the Soviet/Maoist juddernaut.

Operation Desert Storm, too... Now Saddam & Baathists Assad, Qaddafi, et al would be owning not just Kuwait, but Saudi Arabia, UAV, Qatar ---> oil would be 200+ a barrell and Soviets would still be chugging along (they only went bankrupt because oil hit below 10 bucks per + our agents Gorbacheev & Yeltsin)

Israel made its own bed. It can sleep in it.

You're goddamned skippy I'm anti-colonialism. That's what being a patriot is all about.

See not only do you monkeys not know what "plausible deniability" and 1000 other similar phrases, mean...

But you also should look up the word "practically".

And you obviously do NOT know anything about Israel, its agreements & history with NATO... or about NATO, for that matter.

"We're watching".... oooh, I am sure Israel is so scared of some half-literate, diabetic meth-head burn-out.

Go back to StormFront and VeteransToday. This thread is several pay-grades above you.

See not only do you monkeys not know what "plausible deniability" and 1000 other similar phrases, mean...

But you also should look up the word "practically".

And you obviously do NOT know anything about Israel, its agreements & history with NATO... or about NATO, for that matter.

"We're watching".... oooh, I am sure Israel is so scared of some half-literate, diabetic meth-head burn-out.

Go back to StormFront and VeteransToday. This thread is several pay-grades above you.

You show your weak hand by using ad-hominem. I admit, I called you a moron. But I gotta call it how I see it. Rather than just make shit up, like your boring ass.

Israel: give us a reason to impose sanctions. PLEASE.

Who's "us"? "The Daughters of Meth-Lab Revolution"?

Israel is about to have Visa-free relationship with the US, it's up for final approval in Congress as we speak. Despite billions in Saudi & Qatari bribes of EU officials to stop it, Israel already enjoys such agreement with Europe. Israel is being heavily courted by both China, Russia and is a strategic ally of India.

And that's not even counting the recent oil & gas findings that are poised to make Israel not only energy-independent, but a bit of a regional powerhouse over the next 5 years.

All that DESPITE literally dozens of Soviet-sponsiored UN resolutions & 100's of condemnations over the last 7 decades.

Even billion-dollar American FMI to Israel, mostly benefits the America arms-industries & with reciprocal technology transfers and invaluable intelligence Israel makes available the US... suffice it to say, it's a wash at best and a net-loss for Israel because it loses independce of military decision-making as a condition...

(All that despite numerous American betrayls of Israel that go back to USS Liberty spying on Israel during its existential fight with massive Soviet-armed Arab Armies... despite US failing to turn over key agreed-upon intelligence to Israel which Jonathan Pollard uncovered... despite Eisenhower, JFK, LBJ, Kissinger if not Nixon, Raegan Bush Sr, Clinton and Obama trying to blackmail & strong-arm Israel at every turn... Nevermind condemning Israel for destroying Saddam's rector in 1981 and Assad's reactor in 2007, which averted nuclear catastrophy during Desert Storm and Syrian Uprising, respectively... But I digress, LOL)

Heck, at its core today the US/NATO-Israel partnership is THE strongest one yet --- not amount of Obama's yellow-jorno lackey's "leaks" change that reality.

In other words....Dream on, ya impotent little monkey. Next!

And nothing you've said here changes the fact that America as a whole doesn't give a shit about Israel, and will refuse to lay in the bed it has made for itself.

Nice fortune telling btw. Do you do free readings?

x2

Truth of the matter is: noone WANTS war, not even hawkiest-of-hawks... But the deranged Apocalypic Ayatollahs in Teheran are simply NOT giving the Free World any other options.

Taking out their nuke program in 2013 will be harder than in, say, 2003 - let alone in 1993, thanks Bill Clinton for being useless, by the way.... but the ALTERNATIVE is far worse.

Of course today, Iran war will necessarily entail taking out all infrastructure, IRGC missile bases & stockpiles... and collapsing the Ayatollah regime. Much more bloody & hellaciously expensive.

But no other choice. Even Obama knows it deep down when Ayatollahs essentially told him to F' himself when he extended several olive branches over the years.

Whaaa? No witty attempt to troll me again? Sucks when people don't react to your pathetic ad-hominem attempts, doesn't it?

You think that we'll keep supporting Israel, with its current policy sets? Support is teetering now, because of the West Bank OCCUPATION. How long you think it'll be before the word occupation is considered anti-semitic?

I guess not only is a certain monkey ignorant of such simple concepts as "plausible deniability"... "practically"..... "NATO-Israel relationship & cooperation has never been stronger"....

he/she is even having major difficulties accepting its defeat and grasping the meaning of the word "Next!". It's becoming beyond embarassing.

Next. Say it slowly, momo, "N-NN-E-EEE-X-XXX-T-TTT"

Hey, Mr. Swinburnian, what do you think of Bibi's pre-election maneuver to taking the precious Land Administration away from your beloved Shas... and give it to the popular Moshe Cachlon?

Yay or nay?

:)

Wow. zionist shills and sheeple wars in this post is fun. Lets see who wins, the paid shills or the sheeples.

Wait. I thought al-Thani went to Gaza on Mossad's behalf to distribute expensive pens & watches to terror leadership among Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PRC, PFLP, AAMB, etc... containing special transmitters inside so that Israel could track them.

And to poison Palestinian water-wells and/or Yassir Arafat with AIDS, of course.

At least that's the word on the Arab Street. And as everyone knows, Arab Street is even more accurate than the Internet. True story.

i think i'm having a stroke

ashton -- i take back my no more than 8 mandates fir naftali's party -- i'm obviously wrong there. you might be interested to know i'd be tempted to vote habayit hayehudi if i lived in israel

Ok Swin, so Izzy elekshunses are tommorrow.

Hadn't followed closely, but Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is favoured to win, obviously. Although apparently his party has been sliding in the polls, which has given the 'Treasonist/Cowardly Left' camp in Israel some reason for optimism. The liberal MSM is only too happy to oblige that narrative.

Of course anyone with any sense, Bibi's relative decline would come as no shock -- if only because

1) Israel being a remarkably diverse, dynamic, at times crazy society...like it or not, even a real leader like Bibi can never count on automatic population-wide support. Heck, as I mentioned earlier, even Winston Churchill and Abraham Lincoln faced huge opposition and ungrateful, short-attention-spanned electorate. Think about that!

2) Moreover, Netanyahu actually lost to Kadima's leader Tsipi Livni 4 years ago, and only her sheer incompetence & megalomania prevented her from forming the ruling coalition... twice. And that was when Israeli public was really pissed off at Kadima as a whole -- what with its leader Olmert bungling the 2nd Lebanon War, its Foreign Minister Livni embarassing Israel during UN Resolution 1701 and then at the summit in Annapolis. If that weren't enough, Olmert tried to literally give Israel away to Mahmoud Abbas during secret negotiations.... Did I mention Olmert was forced to re-sign after being indicted on several conrts ----> with his popularity dropping as low a 7% thus making George Bush look like Winston Churchill in comparison? LOL

3) Furthermore... with Kadima party in charge, Operation Castlead was inexplicable stopped mid-way through. Israelis were rightly pissed off... and DESPITE all **that** Tsipi Livni still beat Netanyahu. And that's with right-wing George W. Bush just having left office --- Bush didn't have love for Bibi, but unlike Obama, he didn't try to sabotage Likud party, either. And Neyanyahu STILL lost. So tell you that if nothing else, in modern Israel there is a ceiling to any given party's popularity, especially the free-market, capitalist-oriented, Hawkish Likud.

4) Ok. Now flash-forward 4 years later. Bibi indeed helped Israel weather the worst economic global crisis since the Great Depression.... however, he didn't have a magic want to magically make all problems go away & create socialist utopia, so naturally the ungrateful public will still punish him for rising prices of cottage cheese & elite condos in downtown Tel Aviv, LOL!

5) Then there is the truly UNPRECENTED attack organized against him by TPTB -- spearheaded by Obama, Soros, the Saudi/Qatari-bribed EU beurocrats, the Palestinian naturally... and of course the Israeli Left that ecompasses not just political parties & NGO's, but also courts, media, labor unions, Socialist-era remnant oligarchies & cartels, justice dept, a good chunk of IDF, police & intelligence agencies. Literally attacking on all fronts, from both right-, center- and Left. Heck, they even timed the indictment of Avigdor Lieberman on "moral turpitude" right before elections so as to maximize the damage to Likud. Now a lesser politician than Netanyahu would folded long time ago.

6) And if that wasn't enough, the unexpected rise of a young, charismatic Religious-Nationalist Naftali Bennett, a former Netanyahu protege, seems to have robbed another 5-10 Knesset seats from Bibi's party.

7) Voter fatigue. Familiarity breeding comtept. Trite but true. Meaning, that while many voters deep down, intellectually, know that there is NO viable PM alternative to Netanyahu at present time... emotionally & subconsciously, people yearn for novelty, for freshness, for HOPE, however misguided. That always works against the incumbent (yes, even against a transformational figure with an amazing aparatus behind him like Barack Obama in 2012 elections that he only won because GOP sheer incompetence & lack of unity). That would also explain why voter so readily embraces charismatic johnny-come-lately's like Yair Lapid & Naftali Bennett.

8) On top of all **that** going against Netanyahu this time around, i.e. the things that are hardly in his control... there is also the fact that Bibi further exacerbated his own problems by running a LACKLUSTER election campaign -- much like Obama complicated the situation by basically not even showing up to the 1st debate against Romney....I guess it's human nature: when Bibi saw initial polls that gave his party 40+ seats, it was easy to get complacent & instead spend his attention on governing the country, on Iranian nuke problem, etc. All while opponents from the left, right and center continued their pre-election barrage against him. Even his former partners in the coalition, Shas, are cutting corrupt deals with the Left and assailing Bibi relentlessly. Even PA Chairman Mahmoud Abbas has tried to spread lies about Bibi that he permitted 200,000 Syrian-Palestinian "refugees" to enter West Bank, was designed for one purpose: torpedo Likud's chances.

Like I said, there has never been such massive, concerted, international campaign to defeat a policitian & impose a will on a soverign nation...

So, all told, the Likud slide to as few as 30 mandates in some polls is not exactly a shock.



So if under these incredibly difficult circumstances, Netanyahu STILL somehows pulls out, say, 38 Knesset seats + Naftali Bennet gets another say 13-15... it would be nothing short of TRIUMPH for both Right-wing & Israel as a whole.

I guess we'll see. Hopefully there is no George Soros vote-counting boys in Spain to electronically flip votes this time around :)