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Yes, you and the people that come here and try to sway public opinion away from what we can see is the truth.

What's more likely? A obviously.

Governments have a history of staging events like Israel did in the Lavon Affair...

None of them cried. It's a big problem when you want people to believe your lies and you can't even act genuinely sad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32272519


lol, come here and try and sway opinion on what you know is truth?

lol

whatever dude, you're wrong. I don't care that you're wrong. Have fun.

But you are all making real conspiracies with real genuine concerns mockable with these ridiculous claims.

You are wrong, you have no facts, none. Only speculation on how YOU believe these people SHOULD act.

It's ridiculous, these claims wouldn't even hold up in small claims court.

Once you have some real FACTS then I will start listening to you.

The amount of ignorance going around about this event is honestly shocking. No one is trying to use their heads. It's all people with pre determined opinions trying to validate their beliefs. You at no point look at this from a neutral perspective. Which is why you will never have the truth. You willfully blind yourself with your predetermined beliefs on the subject.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


You can tell by how you insult people that do not agree with you. You follow the mainstream propaganda that if you think differently you're stupid or insane. You do that.

Parents that have their children slaughtered by a "crazy gunman" should be acting like it.

None of the people interview cried.

How did the principal give a statement to the newspaper when she was supposedly killed by the "gunman?"

Did he kill her in the office since they let him in or did he shoot his way into the building?

Obvious hack job of a flase-flag event.
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Well, if all you have is behavior which you find suspicious....I guess this convo is over. I want FACTS. I need FACTS to be convinced.

Your thoughts on how people should act, are not facts. Sorry, but that is a fact.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


And you selectively answer questions... Obvious tactic...

How did the principal give a statement to the newspaper when she was supposedly killed by the "gunman?"

Did he kill her in the office since they let him in or did he shoot his way into the building?
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People should leave the man alone.

It was a gun crime carried out by a skinny white kid who loved guns and worshipped them.

Your government is doing the right thing in taking these nasty things away.
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This is one of the big problems in any situation or crisis.

People don't understand the "fog of War" phenomenon in real terms, so when they here conflicting data they can't put it into perspective. Ergo, it must be a lie.

What they don't understand is that the modern press changes what people say, for a host of reasons (not all of them sinister at all, most just having to do with the best sound bite and time constraints) which can totally change the apparent meaning of what was said.

A man takes in some kids during an emergency and recounts his story.

In one place he talks about the six kids (the total) and in another mentions five. He could have misspoken, or it could be the remainder of the children or an account of what only five of them did, but lacking thew whole story people at home can't see it.

So obviously the man is not telling the truth, right? You can check the tape! Six in one place, five in another... Sinister!

And we know what lies mean right? In a case like this, it has to mean the worst thing possible. Always.

Except of course, that it doesn't really.

Sometimes the press just reports the wrong thing. Sometimes they make stuff up for a better story and often witnesses say things that make sense to them, but not to the people at home, that weren't there.
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Very well said!
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whataya got there, junior grade, a death's head? charming
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Fuck that lieing piece of shit. Was it 5 or 6? Oh, he just forgot, how convenient. Hey, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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:blackcat: He's 69 for crying out loud.
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SO, my neighbor is 86 and has a memory sharp as a tack.

I'm sure that soon there will be a story coming out that he is suffering from beginning stages of Alzhemers and thats why he can't keep his story straight.
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One of the most important aspects of investigating conspiracy theories, is having the discernment to know when there is no conspiracy.

It's good to ask questions, and not blindly believe everything you're told.....but we must be able to recognize the fact that not everything is a staged hoax.
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Right... Not everything.

Not like Robbie Parker faking it and getting into character. Or Rosen pretending to cry and never producing any tears. None of them cried tears. They're all lying actors.

These people are some very bad actors.
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Your discernment is lacking....
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your lacking is discerning
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Fuck that lieing piece of shit. Was it 5 or 6? Oh, he just forgot, how convenient. Hey, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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:blackcat: He's 69 for crying out loud.
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We have a business colleague who has seen and done more in a year than most have in a lifetime. He still flies his own plane. He's 81.
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Well HOW DID THE GUY GUY READ THE NAMES OFF THE CASUALTY LIST AT 6 PM FRIDAY NIGHT IF THE CASUALTY LIST WASN'T RELEASED TILL THE NEXT DAY IN THE AFTERNOON?
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the point of the thread is that nobody is buying into this thing or Rosen's part.

nobody is falling for this and the response is incredible.
 Quoting: Salt


Yes, Rosen is probably an actor in the situation, and they are playing it up- it's a bad move to attack him- now they're going to start saying conspiracy theorist say no children died, when there is ample proof that they did-

I am going to post this interview later on today in it's own thread when i have time- but this is an interview with a woman that lives 4 miles away from the school...she's monitored everything she can, knows some survivors, etc- kids really died! But that doesn't mean actors and staging were not involved. This is a satanic ritual folks! The whole point of it being a ritual sacrifice is that they actually do, really kill people!

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but seriously, nobody should be harassing anyone for any reason. that is definitely not the way to handle the situation.
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agreed- did you see that angry guy youtube vid on SH yesterday??? that was nuts...we don't need people like this around if we're to get a chance to prove gov't involvement...
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The chances are that nobody has emailed him or phoned him and it's just a ruse because they know that his acting was absolute shit and people didn't fall for it, so what to do, what to do?
Easy, they make out that conspiracy loons as (they call people) are harassing him, which will paint them in a bad light.
They most probably don't even call him Gene Rosen.
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the point of the thread is that nobody is buying into this thing or Rosen's part.

nobody is falling for this and the response is incredible.
 Quoting: Salt


Yes, Rosen is probably an actor in the situation, and they are playing it up- it's a bad move to attack him- now they're going to start saying conspiracy theorist say no children died, when there is ample proof that they did-

I am going to post this interview later on today in it's own thread when i have time- but this is an interview with a woman that lives 4 miles away from the school...she's monitored everything she can, knows some survivors, etc- kids really died! But that doesn't mean actors and staging were not involved. This is a satanic ritual folks! The whole point of it being a ritual sacrifice is that they actually do, really kill people!


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i am not convinced that anybody died, especially children.

there is photographic evidence that suggests the kids were very much alive after the alleged shooting.

i think it makes it easier for actors to get on board and stay on board if there are no actual murders involved.

remember, these people think the general population are complete idiots and they are superior in intellect that most.
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Your discernment is lacking....
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


None of them cried... Your propaganda is running thin.

Looks like you and your kind have your work cut out for you.

It's going to take a lot to lie your way through this one.
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That makes no sense whatsoever.

Me and my kind? A lot of lies to work through?

I don't really care what you believe, I am only giving you friendly advice to up your discernment skills.

Play the What's more likely game.

Is it more likely that:

A)The government, at a huge huge risk, set the whole thing up, the people may or may not be dead, and everyone is in on it including crisis actors all to try and get a ban on semi auto firearms...

or

B)The government as Rham Emanuel said, will use tragedies to push an agenda. Not let it go to waste. A real tragedy happened and they pounce all over it, to try and further their agenda. Then, no risk to them, no needing to keep secrets, no trying to keep a whole town isolated from the rest of the country to keep them from talking. They can use the media to cover the story 24/7 to keep it in the publics mind.


Any sane rational thinker would choose B.
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Yes, you and the people that come here and try to sway public opinion away from what we can see is the truth.

What's more likely? A obviously.

Governments have a history of staging events like Israel did in the Lavon Affair...

None of them cried. It's a big problem when you want people to believe your lies and you can't even act genuinely sad.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32272519


They cried when the Korean leader died,
BUT,
They had loaded guns pointed at them.
coming to a town near YOU.
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I'm convinced no one died, especially after watching this.

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Either he deserves it, or he is collateral damage. Allow no remorse. There will be innocent victims, it's inevitable. For the greater Good.

From a strategic point of view, the genuinely innocent who are targeted do great serving. Because they aren't trained to handle pressure and gang-stalking, and they got no support, neither the infra-structure to escape. When they are picked on, they will make obvious mistakes. That will convince the mindless sheep that there is in fact a conspiracy going on.

It's ironic, but it will work. And for now, that is all that counts.
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what greater good.Children dieing and you idiots ranting and raving about conspiracies.Why dont you just go there and see for yourself bunch of
bozos
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the point of the thread is that nobody is buying into this thing or Rosen's part.

nobody is falling for this and the response is incredible.
 Quoting: Salt


Yes, Rosen is probably an actor in the situation, and they are playing it up- it's a bad move to attack him- now they're going to start saying conspiracy theorist say no children died, when there is ample proof that they did-

I am going to post this interview later on today in it's own thread when i have time- but this is an interview with a woman that lives 4 miles away from the school...she's monitored everything she can, knows some survivors, etc- kids really died! But that doesn't mean actors and staging were not involved. This is a satanic ritual folks! The whole point of it being a ritual sacrifice is that they actually do, really kill people!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271534


i am not convinced that anybody died, especially children.

there is photographic evidence that suggests the kids were very much alive after the alleged shooting.

i think it makes it easier for actors to get on board and stay on board if there are no actual murders involved.

remember, these people think the general population are complete idiots and they are superior in intellect that most.
 Quoting: Salt




Listen to the lady in the interview- kids died, they are in the phone book- she went to open casket funerals!
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Either he deserves it, or he is collateral damage. Allow no remorse. There will be innocent victims, it's inevitable. For the greater Good.

From a strategic point of view, the genuinely innocent who are targeted do great serving. Because they aren't trained to handle pressure and gang-stalking, and they got no support, neither the infra-structure to escape. When they are picked on, they will make obvious mistakes. That will convince the mindless sheep that there is in fact a conspiracy going on.

It's ironic, but it will work. And for now, that is all that counts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32245713


what greater good.Children dieing and you idiots ranting and raving about conspiracies.Why dont you just go there and see for yourself bunch of
bozos
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17687147


What's there to go see, a massive psyop? Even if one wanted to go talk to the parents they're being guarded by state police. Hmmmmmm.
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People should leave the man alone.

It was a gun crime carried out by a skinny white kid who loved guns and worshipped them.

Your government is doing the right thing in taking these nasty things away.
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Um...wrong.
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Well HOW DID THE GUY GUY READ THE NAMES OFF THE CASUALTY LIST AT 6 PM FRIDAY NIGHT IF THE CASUALTY LIST WASN'T RELEASED TILL THE NEXT DAY IN THE AFTERNOON?
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they knew because they recieved the list from the school duh? it wasnt different random classrooms it was 2 so yes they knew who died but couldnt release names till family was notified.Man I cant believe moderators here are falling for this shit if it was your kids...think a little bit about who and what you are saying geez have you forgotton how to be human?
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the point of the thread is that nobody is buying into this thing or Rosen's part.

nobody is falling for this and the response is incredible.
 Quoting: Salt


Yes, Rosen is probably an actor in the situation, and they are playing it up- it's a bad move to attack him- now they're going to start saying conspiracy theorist say no children died, when there is ample proof that they did-

I am going to post this interview later on today in it's own thread when i have time- but this is an interview with a woman that lives 4 miles away from the school...she's monitored everything she can, knows some survivors, etc- kids really died! But that doesn't mean actors and staging were not involved. This is a satanic ritual folks! The whole point of it being a ritual sacrifice is that they actually do, really kill people!


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271534


i am not convinced that anybody died, especially children.

there is photographic evidence that suggests the kids were very much alive after the alleged shooting.

i think it makes it easier for actors to get on board and stay on board if there are no actual murders involved.

remember, these people think the general population are complete idiots and they are superior in intellect that most.
 Quoting: Salt




Listen to the lady in the interview- kids died, they are in the phone book- she went to open casket funerals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1271534



rather- their families are in the phone book...to add...the photo evidence, whether it's some of the well-aware guys or others is couched within this, but actual kids died- and we're not talking about Emily Parker...but she states- there have been convoys of cars outside the parkers...the parker equation may be staged and he is an asset, but other families lost kids. It's a ritual...why wouldn't it be? So 3K didn't die on 9/11 either- there were no planes?

Give the evidence here that you state- if there is anything new I'd love to see it, but it doesn't negate what this resident is stating-
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This is one of the big problems in any situation or crisis.

People don't understand the "fog of War" phenomenon in real terms, so when they here conflicting data they can't put it into perspective. Ergo, it must be a lie.

What they don't understand is that the modern press changes what people say, for a host of reasons (not all of them sinister at all, most just having to do with the best sound bite and time constraints) which can totally change the apparent meaning of what was said.

A man takes in some kids during an emergency and recounts his story.

In one place he talks about the six kids (the total) and in another mentions five. He could have misspoken, or it could be the remainder of the children or an account of what only five of them did, but lacking thew whole story people at home can't see it.

So obviously the man is not telling the truth, right? You can check the tape! Six in one place, five in another... Sinister!

And we know what lies mean right? In a case like this, it has to mean the worst thing possible. Always.

Except of course, that it doesn't really.

Sometimes the press just reports the wrong thing. Sometimes they make stuff up for a better story and often witnesses say things that make sense to them, but not to the people at home, that weren't there.
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I have never called anyone on this site a shill...until now. You should feel honored to get that virginity of mine, shill.

What happened to the bus driver or the other person who was watching the kids and yelling at them? Why didn't that person in charge of the kids take them to the fire station...with EVERYBODY ELSE? What adult, in charge of children who are supposedly distraught thinks, "here, I'll leave them with a stranger. I'm sure their parents aren't going to be worried at all when they get to the station and can't find their kids."

Fucking retarded is the whole Gene Rosen scenario!!
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Either he deserves it, or he is collateral damage. Allow no remorse. There will be innocent victims, it's inevitable. For the greater Good.

From a strategic point of view, the genuinely innocent who are targeted do great serving. Because they aren't trained to handle pressure and gang-stalking, and they got no support, neither the infra-structure to escape. When they are picked on, they will make obvious mistakes. That will convince the mindless sheep that there is in fact a conspiracy going on.

It's ironic, but it will work. And for now, that is all that counts.
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what greater good.Children dieing and you idiots ranting and raving about conspiracies.Why dont you just go there and see for yourself bunch of
bozos
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17687147


See what? a school with all the evidence removed that is guarded! a town full of actors? a town full of real people duped by these actors? a bunch of friends of friends of actors as credible proof? a bunch of memorial pictures set up by actors?

none of what can be seen, can not be faked.

EMS reports is what we want
video evidence is what we want and the crap that is out now is just that...crap. MSM bullshit!


I've asked others to prove it happened with REAL evidence! They run away scared like little bitches! There is NO physical evidence AT ALL that it happened!


PROVE IT!
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This is one of the big problems in any situation or crisis.

People don't understand the "fog of War" phenomenon in real terms, so when they here conflicting data they can't put it into perspective. Ergo, it must be a lie.

What they don't understand is that the modern press changes what people say, for a host of reasons (not all of them sinister at all, most just having to do with the best sound bite and time constraints) which can totally change the apparent meaning of what was said.

A man takes in some kids during an emergency and recounts his story.

In one place he talks about the six kids (the total) and in another mentions five. He could have misspoken, or it could be the remainder of the children or an account of what only five of them did, but lacking thew whole story people at home can't see it.

So obviously the man is not telling the truth, right? You can check the tape! Six in one place, five in another... Sinister!

And we know what lies mean right? In a case like this, it has to mean the worst thing possible. Always.

Except of course, that it doesn't really.

Sometimes the press just reports the wrong thing. Sometimes they make stuff up for a better story and often witnesses say things that make sense to them, but not to the people at home, that weren't there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549407


In one place he also said there was a woman yelling and in another he said it was a man... Also, what kind of bus driver leaves kids with some man and then drives off? He then takes them into his home and they play with stuff animals and he never thinks to call the fucking police?

WHAT THE FUCK!?
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but seriously, nobody should be harassing anyone for any reason. that is definitely not the way to handle the situation.
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Of course not. We should just let our (in)justice system take care of it like they take care of everything else. I mean it's not like they watch out for each other. We can(not) expose them if we wish to.
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but seriously, nobody should be harassing anyone for any reason. that is definitely not the way to handle the situation.
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Yes and it just makes people who are asking questions look worse.
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IF these idiots who are making these calls don't stop harassing the victims and witnesses, sites like these are going down babaaaay! Just saying....
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Fuck that lieing piece of shit. Was it 5 or 6? Oh, he just forgot, how convenient. Hey, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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:blackcat: He's 69 for crying out loud.
 Quoting: Judethz




SO, my neighbor is 86 and has a memory sharp as a tack.

I'm sure that soon there will be a story coming out that he is suffering from beginning stages of Alzhemers and thats why he can't keep his story straight.
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My opa is 73 and he messes up stories and names all the time
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Fuck that lieing piece of shit. Was it 5 or 6? Oh, he just forgot, how convenient. Hey, I've got a bridge to sell you.
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:blackcat: He's 69 for crying out loud.
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SO, my neighbor is 86 and has a memory sharp as a tack.

I'm sure that soon there will be a story coming out that he is suffering from beginning stages of Alzhemers and thats why he can't keep his story straight.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16213727


My opa is 73 and he messes up stories and names all the time
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opa. fuck that stupid shithead. opa
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If you do a search for Gene Rosen on Intellius in Newtown, CT there are 17 results. That's a lot for such a small town!

But then do a search for Rosen Gene, and there is only 1.
[link to www.intelius.com]

Next do a search for Rosen Gene's alias, Gene I. Rosen, and you'll see just 1 result with the same info. That must be him. [link to www.intelius.com]

Photogenec Design LLC is listed as an employer. Then Screen Actors Guild and Zerox. Nothing about being a psyhcologist on Intellius. He must have made that up on his pet sitter resume.

17 Gene Rosen's in a tiny town are too many I think. They must be shitting bricks. Read this article from The Inquisitre.


[link to www.inquisitr.com]
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but seriously, nobody should be harassing anyone for any reason. that is definitely not the way to handle the situation.
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Yes and it just makes people who are asking questions look worse.
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THIS
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Here's a way for the media to give some proof! Easy, peasy too!

Invite those 5 or 6 survivors of Soto's class to reunite with their belove grandfather figure who helped them cope that day.

We've seen the class photo, we know which ones died. So bring the others into Anderson Cooper's studio along with 'ole Gene and let's see their reunion. Won't that just be precious!
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This is one of the big problems in any situation or crisis.

People don't understand the "fog of War" phenomenon in real terms, so when they here conflicting data they can't put it into perspective. Ergo, it must be a lie.

What they don't understand is that the modern press changes what people say, for a host of reasons (not all of them sinister at all, most just having to do with the best sound bite and time constraints) which can totally change the apparent meaning of what was said.

A man takes in some kids during an emergency and recounts his story.

In one place he talks about the six kids (the total) and in another mentions five. He could have misspoken, or it could be the remainder of the children or an account of what only five of them did, but lacking thew whole story people at home can't see it.

So obviously the man is not telling the truth, right? You can check the tape! Six in one place, five in another... Sinister!

And we know what lies mean right? In a case like this, it has to mean the worst thing possible. Always.

Except of course, that it doesn't really.

Sometimes the press just reports the wrong thing. Sometimes they make stuff up for a better story and often witnesses say things that make sense to them, but not to the people at home, that weren't there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 549407


Only 5 of those kids that were in his house survived. That is obviously gonna raise a few red flags with people.





GLP