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Fitch Prepares To Downgrade U.S. Credit Rating...
This is a bit more serious than when Egan Jones does it...

Because Fitch, Moody's, and Standard & Poor's are the big three when it comes to banks and what bonds they can hold as securities...

Will make a huge difference in Basel III Tier I asset catagorization as well...


LONDON (AP) — The United States could lose its top credit rating for the second time from a leading credit agency if there's a delay in raising the country's debt ceiling, Fitch Ratings warned Tuesday.

Congress has to increase the country's debt limit, which effectively rules how much debt the U.S. can have, by March 1 or face a potential default. There are fears that the debate will deteriorate into the squabbling and political brinkmanship that marked the last effort to raise the ceiling in the summer of 2011. The U.S. Treasury Department warned then that it had nearly reached a point where it would be unable "to meet our commitments securely."

If Fitch does move to downgrade the US, it will join Standard & Poor's, which was so concerned by the dysfunctional 2011 debate that it stripped the U.S. of its triple A rating for the first time in the country's history. Another major ratings agency, Moody's, also has a negative view on the U.S. outlook...


[link to www.usatoday.com]

How's the hopey changey workin' out for you...

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I bring you...DOOM!!!

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I guess everyone is on "Gun Doom" today...

Why do you think they put this out now...

So you wouldn't be paying attention...

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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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Wonder how much time those of us paying attention have to pack the b.o.b. and charter a boat...?

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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...

Last Edited by Saddletramp on 01/15/2013 01:08 PM
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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


They would change Basel III to make up for it.
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Re: Fitch Prepares To Downgrade U.S. Credit Rating...
This is a bit more serious than when Egan Jones does it...

Because Fitch, Moody's, and Standard & Poor's are the big three when it comes to banks and what bonds they can hold as securities...

Will make a huge difference in Basel III Tier I asset catagorization as well...


LONDON (AP) — The United States could lose its top credit rating for the second time from a leading credit agency if there's a delay in raising the country's debt ceiling, Fitch Ratings warned Tuesday.

Congress has to increase the country's debt limit, which effectively rules how much debt the U.S. can have, by March 1 or face a potential default. There are fears that the debate will deteriorate into the squabbling and political brinkmanship that marked the last effort to raise the ceiling in the summer of 2011. The U.S. Treasury Department warned then that it had nearly reached a point where it would be unable "to meet our commitments securely."

If Fitch does move to downgrade the US, it will join Standard & Poor's, which was so concerned by the dysfunctional 2011 debate that it stripped the U.S. of its triple A rating for the first time in the country's history. Another major ratings agency, Moody's, also has a negative view on the U.S. outlook...


[link to www.usatoday.com]

How's the hopey changey workin' out for you...
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trans_sign
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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


They would change Basel III to make up for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


Yeah but they would also have to change Regulatory rules for Community and Regional Banks as to what Securities that can invest capital reserves in as well...
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Re: Fitch Prepares To Downgrade U.S. Credit Rating...
This is a bit more serious than when Egan Jones does it...

Because Fitch, Moody's, and Standard & Poor's are the big three when it comes to banks and what bonds they can hold as securities...

Will make a huge difference in Basel III Tier I asset catagorization as well...


LONDON (AP) — The United States could lose its top credit rating for the second time from a leading credit agency if there's a delay in raising the country's debt ceiling, Fitch Ratings warned Tuesday.

Congress has to increase the country's debt limit, which effectively rules how much debt the U.S. can have, by March 1 or face a potential default. There are fears that the debate will deteriorate into the squabbling and political brinkmanship that marked the last effort to raise the ceiling in the summer of 2011. The U.S. Treasury Department warned then that it had nearly reached a point where it would be unable "to meet our commitments securely."

If Fitch does move to downgrade the US, it will join Standard & Poor's, which was so concerned by the dysfunctional 2011 debate that it stripped the U.S. of its triple A rating for the first time in the country's history. Another major ratings agency, Moody's, also has a negative view on the U.S. outlook...


[link to www.usatoday.com]

How's the hopey changey workin' out for you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


trans_sign
 Quoting: Renegade (Me too)


In a nutshell

If Fitch downgrades U.S. Debt, that's 2 out of the big 3, that would mean the Interest that the U.S. has to pay on its debt could go up dramatically...

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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25020296


This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


They would change Basel III to make up for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


Yeah but they would also have to change Regulatory rules for Community and Regional Banks as to what Securities that can invest capital reserves in as well...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


The most likely outcome is the the rasing of the debt ceiling. Will fitch be fine with that?
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This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


They would change Basel III to make up for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


Yeah but they would also have to change Regulatory rules for Community and Regional Banks as to what Securities that can invest capital reserves in as well...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


The most likely outcome is the the rasing of the debt ceiling. Will fitch be fine with that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


I dunno, Fitch also sited the fact that the U.S. had put off making any significant spending cuts as well...
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This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


They would change Basel III to make up for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


Yeah but they would also have to change Regulatory rules for Community and Regional Banks as to what Securities that can invest capital reserves in as well...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


The most likely outcome is the the rasing of the debt ceiling. Will fitch be fine with that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


There's no such debt ceiling anymore, there's a pie in sky.
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They would change Basel III to make up for it.
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Yeah but they would also have to change Regulatory rules for Community and Regional Banks as to what Securities that can invest capital reserves in as well...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


The most likely outcome is the the rasing of the debt ceiling. Will fitch be fine with that?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32264000


There's no such debt ceiling anymore, there's a pie in sky.
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I dunno, there's two sides to every argument, but there needs to be some way to hold Obama's feet to the fire on spending cuts.

The Repukes basically agreed to raise taxes on everyone, but they didn't secure any spending cuts in the deal they made...

Obama says he'll discuss that...but when?!?!? He says now is not the time...well when is the time? Because they just kicked the fiscal cliff can down the road for just three months, so we need to start this debate NOW!!!
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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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They won't be able to nickel us anymore, soon enough. We're too broke to produce nickels.
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Thank you for the pin...

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oh no..not the credit rating..
Don't blame the puppet in the white house, blame the system he came up in.

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I guess everyone is on "Gun Doom" today...

Why do you think they put this out now...

So you wouldn't be paying attention...

scratching
 Quoting: Saddletramp


I guess everyone is on "Gun Doom" today...

Why do you think they put this out now...

So you wouldn't be paying attention...

scratching
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Ummmm... many of us already were downgraded too much to care..... But it is indeed a sad state of affairs... I doubt the default will occur...
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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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They won't be able to nickel us anymore, soon enough. We're too broke to produce nickels.
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Good point. For the most part only stackers know this, hope you are one of them. Forward comrade.
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Nickel and dime everyone to death.
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This would have a serious impact on U.S. Banks, the reason being Standard & Poors already downgraded the U.S., if two of the three big ratings agencies move the U.S. to AA instead of AAA they won't be allowed to hold U.S. Treasuries as Securities in a lot of cases.

Basel III (which is now slated for March) is setting up a Tier I asset catagory, and if 2 of the big 3 downgrade, U.S. Treasuries would not be qualified to fit in that Tier I asset class...

It's a bigger deal than people suspect, though they could change the "rules" a bit...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Should have downgraded the USA a long time ago but I think Obamas threat stopped it before. I'd bet it will work again.
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Can't say that it isn't much deserved
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Re: Fitch Prepares To Downgrade U.S. Credit Rating...
This is a bit more serious than when Egan Jones does it...

Because Fitch, Moody's, and Standard & Poor's are the big three when it comes to banks and what bonds they can hold as securities...

Will make a huge difference in Basel III Tier I asset catagorization as well...


LONDON (AP) — The United States could lose its top credit rating for the second time from a leading credit agency if there's a delay in raising the country's debt ceiling, Fitch Ratings warned Tuesday.

Congress has to increase the country's debt limit, which effectively rules how much debt the U.S. can have, by March 1 or face a potential default. There are fears that the debate will deteriorate into the squabbling and political brinkmanship that marked the last effort to raise the ceiling in the summer of 2011. The U.S. Treasury Department warned then that it had nearly reached a point where it would be unable "to meet our commitments securely."

If Fitch does move to downgrade the US, it will join Standard & Poor's, which was so concerned by the dysfunctional 2011 debate that it stripped the U.S. of its triple A rating for the first time in the country's history. Another major ratings agency, Moody's, also has a negative view on the U.S. outlook...


[link to www.usatoday.com]

How's the hopey changey workin' out for you...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


This is a huge issue folks and it is not getting much traction in the MSM. Everyone is fretting over gun control. If a downgrade occurs, get ready for all hell to break loose in the financial world.

Is it possible that the urgent need to control the populations firepower is related to imminent financial DOOM?

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Now it seems some dems want to do away with the debt ceiling altogether.

Screw this shit.
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I bring you...DOOM!!!

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no no no!

ramming through badly thought out gun legslation for, you know, the CHILDREN, is much more important than keeping the lights on for the US government and safeguarding our nation's credit status
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Now it seems some dems want to do away with the debt ceiling altogether.

Screw this shit.
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Oh representative government is sooooo 20th century

Get with the program everyone, it's not a dictatorship, it's executive efficiency!

Obama has learned from Mao, Stalin and Castro - Screw negotiating or compromising with people who don't agree with you on everything...just take control and put on a funny hat while you're at it

Didn't you hear?

Dems urge Obama to raise debt limit without Congress, if necessary

By Michael O'Brien, NBC News

Senate Democratic leaders urged President Barack Obama to act to increase the nation's debt limit, even without congressional approval, in order to avoid a standoff with Republicans over the nation's borrowing authority.

The top four Democrats wrote Obama on Friday to urge him against allowing the debt ceiling becoming a bargaining chip with Republicans, who might threaten to vote against any increase in the debt limit without new spending cuts or entitlement reforms from the administration.

[link to firstread.nbcnews.com]
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This is a huge issue folks and it is not getting much traction in the MSM. Everyone is fretting over gun control. If a downgrade occurs, get ready for all hell to break loose in the financial world.

Is it possible that the urgent need to control the populations firepower is related to imminent financial DOOM?

 Quoting: Nikola Tesla


^^^THIS^^^
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ohappy says whatever

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If they were being honest, we would have already been downgraded dramatically. There is no reason that we have the good rating after we print worthless greenbacks to pay our debts.
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Wut a fucking joke those (US controlled) credit agencies are..wahahaha

Come on guys its so fucking sad it isnt even funny anymore,US should be downgraded years ago..

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