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Syria Dropped Hallucinogen Weapon on Rebels, Secret Cable Says

 
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Syria Dropped Hallucinogen Weapon on Rebels, Secret Cable Says
The Syrian military used an exotic chemical weapon on rebels during an attack in the city of Homs, some U.S. diplomats now believe.

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Wow, thats trippy.
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Make love not war!
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Didnt the US state that they would intervene if chem weapons where used ??


Or did they chicken out ?


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Seems about par for the course.
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Syria Dropped Hallucinogen Weapon on Rebels

LSD/shroom weapons?
This is too funny!

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Syria Dropped Hallucinogen Weapon on Rebels

LSD/shroom weapons?
This is too funny!

:-)
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Would be funny. Is there something like a hallucinogenic suicide weapon?
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Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles, the hallucinations are more of a side effect of the intended action.


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Cholinergic Poison agents which mimic the structure of acetylcholine include two poisons: muscarine - an alkaloid present in poisonous mushrooms and nicotine from cigarettes. Muscarinic effects are those of parasympathetic overactivity and include bradycardia, pinpoint pupils, sweating, blurred vision, excessive lacrimation, excessive bronchial secretions, wheezing, dyspnoea, coughing, vomiting, abdominal cramping, diarrhea, and urinary and fecal incontinence
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Hollywood (Holly Wood, magic stick) Dropped Magical Hallucinogen curse on Americans , THEREFORE THEY BELIEVE IN ANYTHING THAT CNN AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WANT THEM TO BELIEVE...
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Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles
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My bad.
I thought it was a Hippie type of hallucinogen sort of "a la Jimi Hendrix" or maybe Acid.

Looks like it really isn't.

:-(
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Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles
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My bad.
I thought it was a Hippie type of hallucinogen sort of "a la Jimi Hendrix" or maybe Acid.

Looks like it really isn't.

:-(
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22188579


Think more like a bad trip in a war zone.
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Drop a little some my way.
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I sure hope no one decides to experiment with this toxin because of the article.

At least they won't be chewing anyone's face off, too busy puking, twitching and slobbering...
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Mean while ...


The recuits where being tested on the Hallucinogen



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can it spread withhf air, will it come to nearby countries?
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Just thought I would mention... our 'Benjamin Fulford' - heh! mentioned in his newsletter about a week ago, that the mercenary rebels in Syria have stated that their funding has ceased.

Take it (or not) any way you wish. Hopefully it's true!
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Hollywood (Holly Wood, magic stick) Dropped Magical Hallucinogen curse on Americans , THEREFORE THEY BELIEVE IN ANYTHING THAT CNN AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX WANT THEM TO BELIEVE...
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
this
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Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


My bad.
I thought it was a Hippie type of hallucinogen sort of "a la Jimi Hendrix" or maybe Acid.

Looks like it really isn't.

:-(
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22188579


Acid might of actually helped. Perhaps it would of given them some perspective.
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too busy puking, twitching and slobbering...
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sounds like a fun saturday night to me
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WOW!

BZ (Oral, IM, IV)



Total Duration: approx. 70-80 hrs

Onset: 1 hr

Coming Up: 2-3 hrs

Plateau: 50-60 hrs

Coming Down: 5-10 hrs

After Effects: 10-20 hours

Hangover / Day After: days or weeks



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Military grade acid dribble
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nothing new under the sun,USA allready tested their own troops in Vieetnam with agent orange in secret
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nothing new under the sun,USA allready tested their own troops in Vieetnam with agent orange in secret
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And the two other color for that agent.
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WOW!

BZ (Oral, IM, IV)



Total Duration: approx. 70-80 hrs

Onset: 1 hr

Coming Up: 2-3 hrs

Plateau: 50-60 hrs

Coming Down: 5-10 hrs

After Effects: 10-20 hours

Hangover / Day After: days or weeks



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Military grade acid dribble
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Sounds like some nasty shit to me.

I'm curious as to what common drugs would alleviate the effects? anybody have any idea?
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WOW!

BZ (Oral, IM, IV)



Total Duration: approx. 70-80 hrs

Onset: 1 hr

Coming Up: 2-3 hrs

Plateau: 50-60 hrs

Coming Down: 5-10 hrs

After Effects: 10-20 hours

Hangover / Day After: days or weeks



[link to www.erowid.org]

[link to www.erowid.org]



Military grade acid dribble
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30896850



Sounds like some nasty shit to me.

I'm curious as to what common drugs would alleviate the effects? anybody have any idea?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31812044


The following is excerpted from the 1962 lab book of Dr. James Moore, who was accidentally exposed to BZ during a BZ synthesis he was completing for the CIA. Four days after the exposure, he ingested 100 mg of acridine as an antidote.
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The following is excerpted from the 1962 lab book of Dr. James Moore, who was accidentally exposed to BZ during a BZ synthesis he was completing for the CIA. Four days after the exposure, he ingested 100 mg of acridine as an antidote.
 Quoting: erowid


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30896850


I think you missed my point. I didn't want to know a direct antidote because it can be infered that its probably not availible. I wanted to know what commonly occurring, perhaps off the shelf drugs would combat the effects.

I was wondering if benzodiapenes or something that combats the effects of datura/atropine/scopolamine poisoining ie physostigmine would help enough for somebody to regain enough of there faculties to stagger to help.

The problem is physostigmine isnt common either, but i guess if benzos help, they are common enough.

Caffiene actually may help somewhat, which seems weird, but this is what im trying to figure out, a person may have to essentially consume an ungodly amount of caffiene to counteract the BZ, at least partly enough to gain enough faculties to GTFO of the area.
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The following is excerpted from the 1962 lab book of Dr. James Moore, who was accidentally exposed to BZ during a BZ synthesis he was completing for the CIA. Four days after the exposure, he ingested 100 mg of acridine as an antidote.
 Quoting: erowid


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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30896850


I think you missed my point. I didn't want to know a direct antidote because it can be infered that its probably not availible. I wanted to know what commonly occurring, perhaps off the shelf drugs would combat the effects.

I was wondering if benzodiapenes or something that combats the effects of datura/atropine/scopolamine poisoining ie physostigmine would help enough for somebody to regain enough of there faculties to stagger to help.

The problem is physostigmine isnt common either, but i guess if benzos help, they are common enough.

Caffiene actually may help somewhat, which seems weird, but this is what im trying to figure out, a person may have to essentially consume an ungodly amount of caffiene to counteract the BZ, at least partly enough to gain enough faculties to GTFO of the area.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31812044


Yeah, me and me friend would normally take Benzos during acid trips if we wanted to abort/try and get some sleep.
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Same article says that Iraqi insurgents also took the same drug(BZ) willingly to increase their aggressiveness, and that the other reports by the Syrian opposition were dismissed by the U.S as they believed them to be falsely made(the claim that Sarin was used in one attack by Assad was verified to be false)
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Yeah, me and me friend would normally take Benzos during acid trips if we wanted to abort/try and get some sleep.
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Indeed, they would reduce the anxiety etc, But LSD works in a different way, i believe that messes with serotonin/dopamine, this chemical messes with acetylecholine i think... but im wondering if simple off the shelf drugs such as say antihistamines that have some anticholinergic effects would offset some of the effects of this chemical weapon.

In the event of methanol poisoning the best thing is to poison yourself with ethanol (regular alcohol)

It means your liver breaksdown the alcohol rather than the methanol which is excreted by your kidneys without your liver converting it into formaldahyde and destroying your internal organs.

Better to have a terrible hangover than be dead.

My thinking is i wonder if you can poison yourself with something else less dangerous to flush as much of this weapon out of yourself.

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