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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32343342 United States 01/16/2013 06:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles, the hallucinations are more of a side effect of the intended action. [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to www.elmhurst.edu] Cholinergic Poison agents which mimic the structure of acetylcholine include two poisons: muscarine - an alkaloid present in poisonous mushrooms and nicotine from cigarettes. Muscarinic effects are those of parasympathetic overactivity and include bradycardia, pinpoint pupils, sweating, blurred vision, excessive lacrimation, excessive bronchial secretions, wheezing, dyspnoea, coughing, vomiting, abdominal cramping, diarrhea, and urinary and fecal incontinence |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32346402 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 06:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles Quoting: zenobiaphobia My bad. I thought it was a Hippie type of hallucinogen sort of "a la Jimi Hendrix" or maybe Acid. Looks like it really isn't. :-( Think more like a bad trip in a war zone. |
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JAY9000 User ID: 31512230 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 06:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mean while ... The recuits where being tested on the Hallucinogen Last Edited by JAY9000 on 01/16/2013 06:54 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9014106 Australia 01/16/2013 07:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just thought I would mention... our 'Benjamin Fulford' - heh! mentioned in his newsletter about a week ago, that the mercenary rebels in Syria have stated that their funding has ceased. Take it (or not) any way you wish. Hopefully it's true! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 28353201 United States 01/16/2013 07:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Its mainly meant to incapacitate you by acting on the energy producing part of the muscles Quoting: zenobiaphobia My bad. I thought it was a Hippie type of hallucinogen sort of "a la Jimi Hendrix" or maybe Acid. Looks like it really isn't. :-( Acid might of actually helped. Perhaps it would of given them some perspective. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30896850 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BZ (Oral, IM, IV) Total Duration: approx. 70-80 hrs Onset: 1 hr Coming Up: 2-3 hrs Plateau: 50-60 hrs Coming Down: 5-10 hrs After Effects: 10-20 hours Hangover / Day After: days or weeks [link to www.erowid.org] [link to www.erowid.org] Military grade acid |
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lupa14714 User ID: 23350068 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nothing new under the sun,USA allready tested their own troops in Vieetnam with agent orange in secret church of euthanasia. [link to www.facebook.com] have just left my paranormal photos on,as I,m leaving soon.some you have to see whole picture,as clipped. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31812044 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30896850 BZ (Oral, IM, IV) Total Duration: approx. 70-80 hrs Onset: 1 hr Coming Up: 2-3 hrs Plateau: 50-60 hrs Coming Down: 5-10 hrs After Effects: 10-20 hours Hangover / Day After: days or weeks [link to www.erowid.org] [link to www.erowid.org] Military grade acid Sounds like some nasty shit to me. I'm curious as to what common drugs would alleviate the effects? anybody have any idea? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30896850 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 08:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30896850 BZ (Oral, IM, IV) Total Duration: approx. 70-80 hrs Onset: 1 hr Coming Up: 2-3 hrs Plateau: 50-60 hrs Coming Down: 5-10 hrs After Effects: 10-20 hours Hangover / Day After: days or weeks [link to www.erowid.org] [link to www.erowid.org] Military grade acid Sounds like some nasty shit to me. I'm curious as to what common drugs would alleviate the effects? anybody have any idea? The following is excerpted from the 1962 lab book of Dr. James Moore, who was accidentally exposed to BZ during a BZ synthesis he was completing for the CIA. Four days after the exposure, he ingested 100 mg of acridine as an antidote. Quoting: erowid[link to www.erowid.org] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31812044 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 08:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The following is excerpted from the 1962 lab book of Dr. James Moore, who was accidentally exposed to BZ during a BZ synthesis he was completing for the CIA. Four days after the exposure, he ingested 100 mg of acridine as an antidote. Quoting: erowid[link to www.erowid.org] I think you missed my point. I didn't want to know a direct antidote because it can be infered that its probably not availible. I wanted to know what commonly occurring, perhaps off the shelf drugs would combat the effects. I was wondering if benzodiapenes or something that combats the effects of datura/atropine/scopolamine poisoining ie physostigmine would help enough for somebody to regain enough of there faculties to stagger to help. The problem is physostigmine isnt common either, but i guess if benzos help, they are common enough. Caffiene actually may help somewhat, which seems weird, but this is what im trying to figure out, a person may have to essentially consume an ungodly amount of caffiene to counteract the BZ, at least partly enough to gain enough faculties to GTFO of the area. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32334011 Australia 01/16/2013 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The following is excerpted from the 1962 lab book of Dr. James Moore, who was accidentally exposed to BZ during a BZ synthesis he was completing for the CIA. Four days after the exposure, he ingested 100 mg of acridine as an antidote. Quoting: erowid[link to www.erowid.org] I think you missed my point. I didn't want to know a direct antidote because it can be infered that its probably not availible. I wanted to know what commonly occurring, perhaps off the shelf drugs would combat the effects. I was wondering if benzodiapenes or something that combats the effects of datura/atropine/scopolamine poisoining ie physostigmine would help enough for somebody to regain enough of there faculties to stagger to help. The problem is physostigmine isnt common either, but i guess if benzos help, they are common enough. Caffiene actually may help somewhat, which seems weird, but this is what im trying to figure out, a person may have to essentially consume an ungodly amount of caffiene to counteract the BZ, at least partly enough to gain enough faculties to GTFO of the area. Yeah, me and me friend would normally take Benzos during acid trips if we wanted to abort/try and get some sleep. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32028746 Hong Kong 01/16/2013 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same article says that Iraqi insurgents also took the same drug(BZ) willingly to increase their aggressiveness, and that the other reports by the Syrian opposition were dismissed by the U.S as they believed them to be falsely made(the claim that Sarin was used in one attack by Assad was verified to be false) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31812044 United Kingdom 01/16/2013 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, me and me friend would normally take Benzos during acid trips if we wanted to abort/try and get some sleep. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32334011 Indeed, they would reduce the anxiety etc, But LSD works in a different way, i believe that messes with serotonin/dopamine, this chemical messes with acetylecholine i think... but im wondering if simple off the shelf drugs such as say antihistamines that have some anticholinergic effects would offset some of the effects of this chemical weapon. In the event of methanol poisoning the best thing is to poison yourself with ethanol (regular alcohol) It means your liver breaksdown the alcohol rather than the methanol which is excreted by your kidneys without your liver converting it into formaldahyde and destroying your internal organs. Better to have a terrible hangover than be dead. My thinking is i wonder if you can poison yourself with something else less dangerous to flush as much of this weapon out of yourself. |