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Debunking the Sandy hook conspiracy video, point-by-point

 
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Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter.

well we now know for certain there was another person
with a Gun
this one was a professional killer who should not have been in the woods


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Since no one has really taken the time to debunk this here you go:

First off the guy that created this video is Alex J.Now that that's out of the way let's look at the content of the video...

Theory 1: The first thing the video tries to allege is that there is a second shooter. They love to grab early media footage and then use that as "evidence" of their claims, as if the media's first reporting is somehow golden. Odd that conspiracy theorists distrust the media, then turn around and use its raw reporting claims as evidence. Anyway, you can easily google and figure out who the guy in the woods was.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

He is the father of a student there and the athletic director at the highschool. He was on his way to the school to help make gingerbread houses with 1st graders when he heard the shots. He was unarmed, arrested, detained, questioned, and let go. The story of the guy in the woods was a dead end, so the media dropped it. That is the problem with the 24 hour news cycle, they will report any lead they get before sorting out facts. However, this is hardly evidence of a conspiracy.

The video even makes the ridiculous claim that since the guy was sitting in the FRONT of the police car, that he must have some "crazy" credentials. Yeah, what is more likely...that this guy was a concerned father or that he was a man with some "crazy" credentials on a black ops mission to shoot up a school but he just didn't have the skills to properly vacate, and so he ended up getting himself captured by lowly local law enforcement, AND broadcast on national tv, potentially exposing his super secret black op? C'mon.

Theory 2: The gun discrepancy. This can be chalked up to contradictory reporting, which is going to happen when the media competes with itself to be the first one to break any new details. There have already been articles clearing up the discrepancies: [link to edition.cnn.com]

Theory 3: The nurse is fake and does not exist. This is completely false, and has been debunked with evidence: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

Theory 4: The laughing/crying father. This means absolutely nothing. No one can judge how a father copes with the loss of his daughter, and it's offensive that people are criticizing him for it. I have been to several funerals, I have witnessed family members and friends switch in and out of laughter and tears. They think of fond memories of the one they lost, they tell stories, they laugh, and they cry. People grieve in different ways. We do not have the right to criticize his reaction, and it's not evidence of a conspiracy.

Theory 5: Emillie Parker is not dead. This is the most absurd thing I have seen so far in the video. The video alleges not only that the girl is not dead, but that the parents were so stupid they brought out the wrong sister for the photo op. What? Do people honestly believe that? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] It's a picture of her sister. Obviously. They look alike because, you know, they're sister's. This guy uses the same photoshop trick as the conspiracy video and gets the same effect. [link to i.imgur.com]

Theory 6: One piece of footage of the crime scene does not show many ambulances and shows no children. The author claims this means this was all staged. He goes on to say that only one ambulance was there the whole time and they quickly blocked off all exits. The problem with this is twofold. Firstly, there are several pictures of multiple ambulances: [link to www.politico.com] Secondly, this footage that the videos author is commenting on is likely taken well after the shooting took place, which easily explains why there aren't a bunch of ambulances around and no one is panicking. More things taken out of context because they fit the authors narrative.

Theory 7: Time stamps on the webpage set up for donations state the page was created before the shootings took place. Google search results do not always accurately reflect the date the content was published. Example) Here is a date restrictive search of sandy hook ( [link to www.google.com (secure)] ), listing all articles that appear to be published before the shooting took place. Well shit, according to google this there are articles and videos from these dates talking about the shooting: Jan 14, 2012 , Jun 19, 2012 , Sept 16, 2012 ..well before the shooting took place. Debunked.

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I don't necessarily believe in this, but i think its good to present both sides of the story, so that people can get a more objective view on the topic.
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cool. but all of this doesn't necessarily prove anything more than the conspiracy videos themselves, we are still left with that unsettled "that's weird" feeling.

edit: also, notice this DEHOAXER guy didn't even bother to touch the gene rosen videos or the medical examiner videos.

can we get a reason? or nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Last Edited by Foodstamp[CHAMP] on 01/17/2013 07:53 PM
GOTTA GET DAT.
GOTTA GET DAT.
FOOD STAMP.
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Did anyone read Friday's Newtown Bee newspaper article?

[link to newtownbee.com]

It talks about the second shooter. The last sentence in the article.

"A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source."

What the heck was this guy doing there?
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[link to parkerfour.blogspot.com]

Although I have my doubts about the validity of this whole shooting scenerio, these were real people involved, and innocent people did die. I'm not a SHILL, but a concerned citizen for our country and constitution on which is being trampled daily. I have done a lot of personal research into this whole story and have found consistant flaws throughout the stories being told by the police, the medical examiner, media, and even eye witnesses. The crime scene was handled very poorly and now there is a lot of explaining to do, but in this case, there will be a lot of covering up to do.
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Did anyone read Friday's Newtown Bee newspaper article?

[link to newtownbee.com]

It talks about the second shooter. The last sentence in the article.

"A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source."

What the heck was this guy doing there?
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anyone look into the fact that when they pull the guns from the car at night; that the light source under the car does not change?

The guy holding the light in his hand changes a bit....but the light source under the car does not change!!!! Shadows under the car do not change as he moves the light, and the helicopter light would not direct that kind of shadow!

I know it's not much but if someone wants to add to it, be my guest! Kinda proves that was a movie set as well....with lighting! :)


p.s. OP, nice try little guy. No dice though! Your points are moot and still SHOW NO EVIDENCE of it being a real event!

NO BLOOD
NO BODIES
NO VIDEO in school, by parents, by independent reporters, by the kids!!!!!

In order to prove something was FAKE you just have to look to the evidence! Real evidence...not eyewitness testimony that keeps changing to fit a story!

P.S. You also can not debunk an active investigation! Which is what this is!!!! a bunch of questions. If you try and debunk a bunch of questions you are a shilltard! <----a government paid retard!
Just Youtube search "Obama Lies, (Enter name here)LIES to get a good handle on everyone. Don't trust liars for they are only there to deceive.
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No amount of proof will change the retard mindset here. They will believe the most ridiculous nonsense if it fits their fucked up paradigm. Boo they're coming for you! pennywise
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No amount of proof will change the retard mindset here. They will believe the most ridiculous nonsense if it fits their fucked up paradigm. Boo they're coming for you! pennywise
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Show me some proof, any proof at all, that the official narrative of Sandy Hook is true.
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Also, They are planning to demolish the school now!

So another big questions is. Who owns the school, and was their an insurance policy on it. Just like 911!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll bet you dollars to donuts that the school was filled with Asbestos and they had to either clean it up(which costs millions) or demolish it!

Wonder if they will put up some bright lights in its place. Maybe a nice memorial statue of Obama holding 20 little kids with a freemason symbol imbedded in the crete!
Just Youtube search "Obama Lies, (Enter name here)LIES to get a good handle on everyone. Don't trust liars for they are only there to deceive.
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arguing with a shill is like massaging a rock
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Are you fucking kidding me? So this is fake because they aren't showing 5 year old kids dead on the news?

Do you know how protective the media is with minors? They are being really respectful of the dead kids and not showing them on TV.

As for your stupid asbestos theory : Are all conspiracy theory ideas interchangeable with each other? Jesus Christ man.

Any shred of credibility you "conspiracy theorists" have or had is completely lost by how fucking dumb most of you are. I feel bad for the logical thinking skeptics that are spending time and rational thought on this issue. You're totally bringing them down with you.
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Computers that are programed to be set with a time are often wrong. Sometimes my computer clock shows that it is 1984.


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I guess my questions are these...

1. Does anyone remember Columbine? There wasn't just local police there. There was a swat team there and they were ushering children out of the school lines at a time. We saw blood spatter, we saw devestation, we saw people in motion, and we hear of people giving CPR and trying to stop the bleeding.
At Sandy Hook six children out ran a semi automatic weapon? After seeing their teacher get shot? They were composed enough to report this without being scared and parents allowed these interviews to take place?

2. Adam Lanza was such an accurate shot that he managed to kill with 100% accuracy and there was absolutely no hope for any of the victims?

3. None of the adults that were spared tried to save any of the poor, defenseless children who had been taken down? After the gunman shot the Principle and the other person next to her, none of the people in the office dragged them into the office after the gunman had gone into the classrooms to see if they could be saved?

4. Nothing in real time was reported other than chasing the secondary gunman, which was shown on CNN.

5. At Columbine we saw victims being wheeled out on stretchers, with sheets covering them if they were dead and with medical teams working on them if they weren't. Why didn't we see this at Sandy Hook? And why were the only responders who were there a small town local police force??
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Awesome :)
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(Sarcasm) Okay, children. Settle down or you'll have to sit in a corner somewhere. ;-)
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I sniff a shill here ... were? were?

Oh look it's the OP!!

These posts do not belong at this site!
Ban the @#$%^& idiot!

When there is so much proof Sandy Hook is actually Sandy Hoax!!
Why would you want to debunk the fact tha Sany Hoax was a staged scene?
Only if you get paid to do so!!

Shiff Shifffff

Yes it's clear to me...

I SMELL A SHILL here.


ps... OP get lost! go do a Lemming at a 400 ft cliff!

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Funny how conspiracy proponents consistently call for banning and censorship. I bet that no one gets banned from this thread, while many got banned from threads promoting this conspiracy.
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No amount of proof will change the retard mindset here. They will believe the most ridiculous nonsense if it fits their fucked up paradigm. Boo they're coming for you! pennywise
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Show me some proof, any proof at all, that the official narrative of Sandy Hook is true.
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And, as always, the conspiracy proponents attempt to shift the burden of proof to the other side.
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Re: Debunking the Sandy hook conspiracy video, point-by-point
Did anyone read Friday's Newtown Bee newspaper article?

[link to newtownbee.com]

It talks about the second shooter. The last sentence in the article.

"A man with a gun who was spotted in the woods near the school on the day of the incident was an off-duty tactical squad police officer from another town, according to the source."

What the heck was this guy doing there?
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Another good question: Why did he run or try to escape from the police?
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No amount of proof will change the retard mindset here. They will believe the most ridiculous nonsense if it fits their fucked up paradigm. Boo they're coming for you! pennywise
 Quoting: facebook is for dumbfucks 21807215


Show me some proof, any proof at all, that the official narrative of Sandy Hook is true.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


And, as always, the conspiracy proponents attempt to shift the burden of proof to the other side.
 Quoting: Menow 32513879


This above reply is absolutely stupid.

The burden of proof is on the authorities, media, etc. who told us all what happened and how. They have not met this burden of proof.

Furthermore, I personally object the the term "conspiracy proponent".

I don't want to see a conspiracy; however, I do see one.

By the way, some of us get tired of repeating the same points again and agin with regard to why we see a conspiracy here.

Go check out my threads if you want to know that answer.
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There's always the same trend with these people. They cherry pick little bits of these "stories" i.e. Loose Change and Sandy Hook Vid, and they put forth vague explanations while ignoring the dozens of others points and questions raised. And a previous poster said it, but I'll repeat it. The burden of proof is not on those who raise the questions, it is on those that report and shape the "news"
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Good post OP

The resident kooks hate you now but that's because their little brains only believe what they hear or see on the internet.

To them every major news event is a conspiracy and Obama is behind it.


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Good post OP

The resident kooks hate you now but that's because their little brains only believe what they hear or see on the internet.

To them every major news event is a conspiracy and Obama is behind it.


Goofy Thum
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Another stupid post.

Shall will "shill" now, or shall we "shill" later?
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Evidence of Multiple Assailants at Sandy Hook and other references that question the official story- Judge for yourself - Quite Compelling materials by Dinae1985in politics


Sandy Hook - cover up video- makes some good points but also makes some rather questionable points in my opinion. Judge for yourself

[link to www.youtube.com]

More Assailants Dressed as Clergy

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Crime scene with discarded clothes apparently for clergy/Nun disguises

[link to img.gawkerassets.com]

Multiple shooters -Man wearing camo arrested in wooded area - another man seen avoiding capture

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

Armed Off Duty Tactical Squad Officer from another town arrested in woods - what was he doing there before the attack and running away ?

[link to newtownbee.com]

4 handguns and 1 Assault rifle left in the car reported by multiple Federal and State officials

[link to www.youtube.com]
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OP is a piece of shit.
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No amount of proof will change the retard mindset here. They will believe the most ridiculous nonsense if it fits their fucked up paradigm. Boo they're coming for you! pennywise
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Show me some proof, any proof at all, that the official narrative of Sandy Hook is true.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


And, as always, the conspiracy proponents attempt to shift the burden of proof to the other side.
 Quoting: Menow 32513879


This above reply is absolutely stupid.

The burden of proof is on the authorities, media, etc. who told us all what happened and how. They have not met this burden of proof.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Is this in the same way as that someone has to prove the moon landings took place?


Furthermore, I personally object the the term "conspiracy proponent".

I don't want to see a conspiracy; however, I do see one.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


Is this like where people "see" the sun out of place in the sky?

By the way, some of us get tired of repeating the same points again and agin with regard to why we see a conspiracy here.

Go check out my threads if you want to know that answer.
 Quoting: GladioDaddy-O


No thanks. Some of us have gotten tired of explaining, over and over again, why contrails can and do persist.

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