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Heaven or Hell? You choose

 
IAMIAM

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There is no hell you fools ...
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Wha. . .! Well, sure there is - the almighty Prince of Peace apparently has no recourse but to horribly destroy anyone He's unable to get through to. Praise Jebus for Plan B!

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578


You have a better Plan?

Here, YOU do it.

I will sit back and watch YOU Master.
 Quoting: IAMIAM


*God* has a better plan - it's called "redemption". Fortunately, He isn't some loser who bit off more than he could chew and must resort to burning the evidence of his massive failure like some back alley shyster.

Scripture God uses fire to *purify*, yes? Don't the epistles talk of the benefits of "fiery trials"?

Fire good.

The Lake of Fire is not some body of literal fire, or the sun, or anything other than what scripture defines the symbol of "fire" as:

"Our God is a consuming fire" - Hebrews 12 (an echo of Deuteronomy 4:24)

"Is not My word like fire?" - Jeremiah 23

He makes "His ministers a flame of fire" - Hebrews 1 (also Psalm 104)

fiery trials = sharing in the sufferings of Christ - 1 Peter 4

Israel's captivity in Egypt = "an iron furnace" - Deuteronomy 4:20

A "fiery law" proceeded from God's right hand - Deuteronomy 33

God apparently set Israel "on fire", and they didn't even realize it - Isaiah 42



Note that per Revelation 14, those cast into this "lake" are "in the presence of the Lamb". He Himself is likely the fire that purifies.

The only thing that it burns up is the old, corrupt nature and its debris. . .


Fire will expose and test each person's works. . ."if it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames" - 1 Corinthians 3

"By mercy and truth iniquity is purged". . .Proverbs 16

"The wicked will see it and be vexed, He will gnash his teeth and melt away; The *desire* of the wicked will perish" - Psalm 112

The glory of the LORD seemed like a consuming fire to the children of Israel - Exodus 24

It was by fire that He revealed His Law to them. Moses went right up to it, but the masses were afraid. . .
"For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die" - Deuteronomy 5

-->> Fire was equated with hearing His voice

The process of "fire" leaves us in ashes. . .a scriptural symbol of humility.

All through the Laws of Moses, fire is what made the offerings acceptable and pleasing to God.


After Israel defeated an enemy, all the gold, silver, brass, iron, tin and lead were to be purified by fire. . .
Paraphrased, "Everything that can withstand fire must go through fire, by which it shall be made clean. Any other materials which *cannot* withstand fire must be purified by water." - Numbers 31


Mankind is full of people who live after the dictates of their senses and instincts. . .for many, their "god" is their belly. To exist as a mere bodily self - eating, mating, and dominating others - makes us little more than an animal (the "beast"). The remedy is "execution", as illustrated in the burnt offerings of the old testament, which point toward our death sentence on the cross. The enthroned lower nature must be put to death by metaphorical fire.

God has invested too much in all this (His Son) to just torch us and close the file.
There comes a day when undergoing the purification process is no longer optional and the time arrives to move forward and stop being primates.
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Well I'll be damned.

Finally someone else who has seen the Fathers Plan.

Can you sip from my cup?

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Lisa Lisa,

When Revelation 6:15-17 happens, we will all believe the
same (okay, not all, free will is involved) as Jesus desires.

Pray for conversions, pray for souls to receive the grace to
find God, even at the moment of their death.

God is perfectly loving and perfectly just. He can turn our prayers into saving 'grace' to touch hardened hearts.

Ah, the mystery of grace and free will.


love,

Mary
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false

dichotomy
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I choose to use my BRAIN that 'god' gave me to think LOGICALLY about your stupid "choice".

God gave me the power of doubt (my brain). I doubt the authenticity of a religion that was created out of a power hungry Roman Empire in its death throes.

So "god" will send me to hell for that?

No. I think not. Because "god" gave me the power to doubt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


Logic? whats that my rational friend?


how about

FALSE DICHOTOMY



How does any one proof this dichotomy is actual?

If we have a choice between heaven or hell, why don't we have a choice with a third option? or fourth...
Catch my drift?

Is someone try to sell us?

I'm calling fraud, this is a sham.

Kudos to you for questioning this drivel.
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god needs your money now, or else you will burn in hell

you must believe everything i do or .....

you guessed it, burn in hell.

My god can be very mean if you upset him, but if you make him happy he will reward you with the most amazing paradise with every thing you could ever want.

All you need to do is see it my way, and send your money.
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Let's be abundantly clear


All religions are out right fraud crafted by the crafty with priestcraft by the priest class.
It is for their (the clergy's) benefit, not yours.
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Lisa Lisa,

When Revelation 6:15-17 happens, we will all believe the
same (okay, not all, free will is involved) as Jesus desires.

Pray for conversions, pray for souls to receive the grace to
find God, even at the moment of their death.

God is perfectly loving and perfectly just. He can turn our prayers into saving 'grace' to touch hardened hearts.

Ah, the mystery of grace and free will.


love,

Mary
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So... You believe in judgement day yes?
After 2k, 21st of May and 21st of December failed, you still believe this?
Doesn't your scripture explicitly say, noone knows the date of judgement, exept god?
Sorry, but this thread is a prime example of the cultish behaviour of christians. Reminds me of heavens gate.

When the day comes and your life is about to end, you will be in for a surprise. Because you didn't experience judgement in your lifetime, but mainly because you didn't expect what happens after death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12858137


Of course I believe it, and none of those dates had anything to do with the Lord and His word the Bible.

No man knows the day or hour that Jesus is returning, nobody.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


For some it can be tomorrow or even to day. But that doesn't mean that we are not going to watch. Jesus explicitly states that we must watch all the time because else we don't know when the master of the house returns. But lucky is the servant who watches.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
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I'm choosing heaven for sure.

I'm afraid I might be denied entry if I keep saying the f-word though. chuckle I've got to work on that.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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God saw/sees all of time and He still went ahead with His plan! The suffering for Him to see His beloved children reject Him. Why? He is the source of love and goodness.

A message from God the Father.

~ rose rose rose ~


January 27, 2013
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I (Maureen) see a Great Flame which I have come to know as the Heart of God the Father. He says: "I have come to help the world to better understand the meaning of My Title - 'Eternal Now'."

"In the world, you have the concepts of time and space. You experience the past in your memory - the present in the present moment - and you anticipate the future as time passes by moment by moment."

"But I am the Eternal Now. In Me there is no past or future - only now, which lasts forever. Therefore, the world is being created now by My Hand. My Son is being born now in the stable. His Public Ministry is taking place now, as is His Crucifixion. I am celebrating His Resurrection now, and welcoming Him as He ascends to Me in Victory now."

"In the world, every event is just now taking place in My Heart - the wars, persecutions, the decision of Roe v. Wade. But also I am experiencing My Son's Second Coming - His Triumph over the Antichrist and His Victorious Reign."

"Because there is no time in My Realm, I am able to experience joy and sorrow all at once to the fullest. These things are difficult for you to comprehend, but as you meditate on My Words to you today, you will be given more and more understanding."


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I want to go to the place without Christians...THAT'S Heaven!
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brainwashed christians
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I'm choosing heaven for sure.

I'm afraid I might be denied entry if I keep saying the f-word though. chuckle I've got to work on that.
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I wouldn't worry about the fuck word.
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Its strange that people are basically offered a free pass from karmic cycles and eject it. The power of pride is amazing.
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if heaven and hell are eternal then you're already there. if you think you "will go" to heaven later, then you are not living in the now and everything you are doing is for an ulterior purpose and are living in hell (perpetual seeking, dualism). I choose heaven (perpetual acceptance, balance)... on a side note, do not confuse words with wisdom. if you are truly at peace you will truth in everything