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Heaven or Hell? You choose

 
Lisa*Lisa (OP)

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Look guys, I don't like the fact that hell exists anymore then you do. In fact, I HATE IT!

I tried hard not to believe in it, but I couldn't because it's in the bible and Jesus Himself warned about it.

I can't deny it, I don't want anyone to go there. That is why I'm putting this up. It's not a nice message, but there is a way out, and that way is Jesus.
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 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


This video conveys the Satanic, blood-thirsty theology of terror whose fundamental purpose is to convince people to never question or even so much as doubt the doctrines of the Christian religious 'authorities'; thereby ensuring, for eternity, their pride, their jobs, their wealth and their power.

But the reason for such a seductive and Satanic doctrine is to distract from one blindingly simple Truth:

Jesus was murdered NOT as any "vicarious atonement for the sins of men"--that doctrine led to the demonization of the children of Israel as "Christ-killers"; resulting in the Holocaust--but, rather, because he taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; thus threatening both the Sadducees and the Pharisees.

There is no heaven or hell; there is 'rebirth'; because God is the God of the living rather than the (Egyptian) 'god of the dead'.

But the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" would require that every Christian be willing to torture Jesus to death himself in order to get his 'soul' into 'heaven'.

Michael
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2John1:7-11 from biblegateway.com KJV 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.

9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
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Look guys, I don't like the fact that hell exists anymore then you do. In fact, I HATE IT!

I tried hard not to believe in it, but I couldn't because it's in the bible and Jesus Himself warned about it.

I can't deny it, I don't want anyone to go there. That is why I'm putting this up. It's not a nice message, but there is a way out, and that way is Jesus.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Thanks Lisa for spreading Light it is not easy grouphug
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god knows when you are born if you will go to heaven or hell,so where is the choice,he already knows.
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Because He can see into the future does not mean that He determines that future, you do.

I've struggled with this for a long time. I don't like it one bit, but I have to admit that this place hell is real because there is too much evidence to support it.

I wish it were not true tho. It haunts me knowing that there is a place like this and people are actually there. I wish it were not so.

But, I do believe that it will be abolished after the 1000 year reign. That's just my own theory tho.
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Christians simply do not understand the implications of the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" in the 'justification' of ALL manner of violence and evil.

Say you encounter someone who steadfastly refuses to believe Christian theology; a child of Israel, for example, or an Albigensian.

According to those who believe the doctrine of "vicarious atonement", they are going to go to hell when they die where they will suffer eternal torment.

So, if they are going to go to hell anyway, why not TORTURE them to death in an attempt to SAVE them from an eternal torment?

And, if you burn one of these people to death at the stake--the way the Roman church did to the Albigensians for teaching, like Jesus did, that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'--you will be acting in the place of God Himself since that is what is going to happen to them anyway after they die.

This is not merely a theory.

This HAS BEEN USED as a 'justification' for torturing and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of the children of Israel and other 'heretics' even before the Holocaust.

Michael
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Look guys, I don't like the fact that hell exists anymore then you do. In fact, I HATE IT!

I tried hard not to believe in it, but I couldn't because it's in the bible and Jesus Himself warned about it.

I can't deny it, I don't want anyone to go there. That is why I'm putting this up. It's not a nice message, but there is a way out, and that way is Jesus.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Thanks Lisa for spreading Light it is not easy grouphug
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It's not, in fact it's horrible. But I feel we have an obligation to tell people atleast to warn them.

Makes me sick to my gut thinking about it tho.
Have You Accepted Jesus As Your Savior Yet? What Are You Waiting For?

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"If love were a tree, compassion would be its fruit." - unknown
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2 Corinthians 12:9 - "Each time he said, "My grace is all you need. My power works best in weakness." So now I am glad to boast about my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ can work through me."

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heaven

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It's not, in fact it's horrible. But I feel we have an obligation to tell people atleast to warn them.

Makes me sick to my gut thinking about it tho.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Don't act so "goody two shoes" about this.

If you had to, you would NAIL Jesus to the cross and TORTURE him to death YOURSELF in order to get your wretched pagan metaphysical 'soul' into the pagan metaphysical 'heaven' and escape ETERNAL TORMENT in the pagan metaphysical 'hell'.

You are NOT in a position to deny this.

Michael
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Which place has the best titties and beer?
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Hey, the Muzzies get 72 virgins, but I'm scared of that because I'm not sure if they are humans or goats perhaps...so why can't I have access to the best titties and beer?
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The way people live their lives here should be a hint as to how much control they have over their eternity. Christ is the truth, the light, and the way. A decision had to be made in temptation to live in this flesh. The acting out of the desires for good or bad in this flesh is only part of the process. The soul was here before and after this incarnation and will be resurrected by Christ. The judgment that follows for eternity is as much a creation of the one receiving it as God rendering it. You create your own destiny. You are either part of the wheat or part of the chaff.

There are many references in the bible that to follow the baptism by water there will be a baptism by fire. I was hit by this baptism of fire on 02 Jan 93. My testimony is that God and his Son Jesus Christ are very real. As Christians we will all go through the trial by fire and purified in heart, mind, body, and soul to stand before God on his throne with purified heart through Christ.

Those who reject Christ are stuck in this dimension. That is your decision as much as it is God's to judge you eternally. Salvation is a simple plan. It will be consumed by the converging black hole (a lake of fire if you will). Without the eternal love of Christ, you cannot pass through to the heavens above and the New Heaven and Earth that will descend.

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This video conveys the Satanic, blood-thirsty theology of terror whose fundamental purpose is to convince people to never question or even so much as doubt the doctrines of the Christian religious 'authorities'; thereby ensuring, for eternity, their pride, their jobs, their wealth and their power.

But the reason for such a seductive and Satanic doctrine is to distract from one blindingly simple Truth:

Jesus was murdered NOT as any "vicarious atonement for the sins of men"--that doctrine led to the demonization of the children of Israel as "Christ-killers"; resulting in the Holocaust--but, rather, because he taught the Doctrine of "resurrection" as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'; thus threatening both the Sadducees and the Pharisees.

There is no heaven or hell; there is 'rebirth'; because God is the God of the living rather than the (Egyptian) 'god of the dead'.

But the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" would require that every Christian be willing to torture Jesus to death himself in order to get his 'soul' into 'heaven'.

Michael
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Hmmm, 'based on terror'? Is that what our laws and justice system are then? Do you not call for the blood and justice of the courts of law to judge those who would murder your loved one as the video portrays? And if the judge let him go then he is a loving judge? Right and wrong, conscience and justice are all 'terror'? What happened to logic, reason and common sense? You'd be okay with the judge allowing your loved one's murderer free?

Give your head a shake! Christianity is ALL ABOUT choice and free will. I mean most of the free world chooses not to believe any of this, no? So, how is this "fundamental basis" affecting you? Have you been chained to a church pew? Did someone claw your eyes open, tying you down and force you to read a Bible? Come on now! Becoming a Christian is a choice, it is a freedom and it is giving you the opportunity to investigate it at every turn OR NOT TO.

Just because you don't like the laws doesn't mean they are not worthy. Just because you don't believe your soul is eternal doesn't make it a reality. And just because billions of people choose not to believe or take advantage of Jesus Christ's sacrifice and love doesn't mean that it is lost forever...you CAN still accept Him...He is always waiting! Your disbelief DOES NOT make the gospel disappear or not true. It simply leaves you to your own accord, where you will defend yourself before God and we all know what the courts think about a man who defends himself. Good luck with that.
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You're going to hell for that one ;)
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Look guys, I don't like the fact that hell exists anymore then you do. In fact, I HATE IT!

I tried hard not to believe in it, but I couldn't because it's in the bible and Jesus Himself warned about it.

I can't deny it, I don't want anyone to go there. That is why I'm putting this up. It's not a nice message, but there is a way out, and that way is Jesus.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Thanks Lisa for spreading Light it is not easy grouphug
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So, a question for you, Goofy for God:

Why is it that some Christian soldiers, not all, have NO qualms of conscience AT ALL when they are torturing and slaughtering Muslims in the Middle East for NO reason at all?

It is because they think those Muslims are going to hell ANYWAY, where they will suffer eternal torment. So, they consider themselves as acting in the place of God Himself.

There is a video on the Internet of a United States helicopter or gunship slaughtering several Arab civilians in Iraq, two of them children.

The conversation of those soldiers clearly indicates that they have NO conscience.

That is the 'light' that is being conveyed by the Satanic doctrine of "vicarious atonement".

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sorry didn't mean to double post
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You're going to hell for that one ;)
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A Christian's hell is this world to a degree. There are two kingdoms going in two different directions. The biggest lie ever told is that man could be as God and forge a world/destiny between the two. Christ said you are either for me or against me or I will spew you out of my mouth. Many are not awake and live in the sputum. There is no middleground. You should make a choice to serve God's Kingdom today.
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You've got to be KIDDING me.

Believe that Jesus is a "vicarious atonement" for your sins or BURN FOREVER IN THE FIRES OF HELL. (Take that you children of Israel, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. etc.)

You call that a choice?

Would you believe that a woman loved you if she told you that she loved you only because you had kidnapped her and threatened to torture her to death if she did not tell you that she loved you?

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Well OP, you are ruled by FEAR.

Your 'gospel' is predicated on the whole concept that if people do not believe exactly as you tell them to believe, then something HORRIBLE is going to happen to them!

Answer this- would you be singing the same tune, if you were born in China, to a Buddhist family...? Because remember, your loving God is sending ALL non-believers to Hell, to eternal torment, look at the numbers stats of all non-Christians and you will see that there are billions in the world who, according to you, are condemned for the terrible sin of not believing the correct things- do you believe this is the case? That your God, who is loving, would send countless people to Hell whom have never even heard the name 'Jesus'?
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Just got on my knees, lit a candle, and dedicated (before I saw this message, or got on the computer) the rest of the year to God and doing His loving will. Yay, God!

I pray that He will cleanse our minds, hearts, and spirits, and help us to be channels of His blessings and healing this year, and always.

God bless you, LisaLisa, and everyone else on GLP and everywhere!

hf
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I choose reality.
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Which place has the best titties and beer?
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naughty
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Hey, the Muzzies get 72 virgins, but I'm scared of that because I'm not sure if they are humans or goats perhaps...so why can't I have access to the best titties and beer?
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They're 9 year-old Children. You know, the prophet's favorite.
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And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved...


Witnessing is hard stuff Lisa. Kutos :)
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Which place has the best titties and beer?
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naughty
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Hey, the Muzzies get 72 virgins, but I'm scared of that because I'm not sure if they are humans or goats perhaps...so why can't I have access to the best titties and beer?
 Quoting: BRIEF


They're 9 year-old Children. You know, the prophet's favorite.
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gasp
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Well OP, you are ruled by FEAR.

Your 'gospel' is predicated on the whole concept that if people do not believe exactly as you tell them to believe, then something HORRIBLE is going to happen to them!

Answer this- would you be singing the same tune, if you were born in China, to a Buddhist family...? Because remember, your loving God is sending ALL non-believers to Hell, to eternal torment, look at the numbers stats of all non-Christians and you will see that there are billions in the world who, according to you, are condemned for the terrible sin of not believing the correct things- do you believe this is the case? That your God, who is loving, would send countless people to Hell whom have never even heard the name 'Jesus'?
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I would like to ask the OP another question:

Would you or would you NOT nail Jesus to the cross yourself if you knew that you had to do that in order to get into heaven?

If she believes in the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" like she SAYS she does, there is only ONE answer to the question:

Not only would she DO it; she would do it GLEEFULLY, knowing that she is going to heaven because of her actions.

There is a word for that: Satanism.

Michael

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According to this, Gandhi is burning in hell right now.

Just this one argument will always make me reject the idea of living with the fear of God. It is the most backasswards way to live your life.

Why in God's name would he desire you to fear in order to get you to love? Rhetorical question, as IT wouldn't.
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I choose reality.
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As Nietzsche wrote: "Christianity cannot survive contact with reality at even so much as one point."

The reality is that people live more than one life; whether that is called 'rebirth', as in Buddhism, "re-incarnation" as in Hinduism, or "resurrection" as in the Revelations of the monotheistic religions--which, however, are contradicted by the Jewish, Christian and Muslim religious 'authorities'.

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According to this, Gandhi is burning in hell right now.

Just this one argument will always make me reject the idea of living with the fear of God. It is the most backasswards way to live your life.

Why in God's name would he desire you to fear in order to get you to love? Rhetorical question, as IT wouldn't.
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Oh, but I still love you LisaLisa.

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Well OP, you are ruled by FEAR.

Your 'gospel' is predicated on the whole concept that if people do not believe exactly as you tell them to believe, then something HORRIBLE is going to happen to them!

Answer this- would you be singing the same tune, if you were born in China, to a Buddhist family...? Because remember, your loving God is sending ALL non-believers to Hell, to eternal torment, look at the numbers stats of all non-Christians and you will see that there are billions in the world who, according to you, are condemned for the terrible sin of not believing the correct things- do you believe this is the case? That your God, who is loving, would send countless people to Hell whom have never even heard the name 'Jesus'?
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Matthew 24:14 bible.cc KJV "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."

Pray for this and thank our God for its answer in advance.
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I want to go to Heaven...My question is why is it that our global leaders don't fear Jesus or Hell? Maybe they'll repent when they're on their death-beds, and Jesus, according to the Bible is forced to forgive them, which means, given their privileged lives and quality educations, they side-step Hell...They have lots of fun lying, cheating, stealing and abusing God's Children all their lives, and then at the eleventh hour they repent...What back-up does God have to this real practice to ensure justice..?

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Matthew 24:14 bible.cc KJV "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
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"This Gospel" is NOT the Satanic gospel of Paul based upon the pagan doctrine of "vicarious atonement".

"This Gospel" is the Teaching that the Doctrine of "resurrection" is a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'.

Michael

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