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Heaven or Hell? You choose

 
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God knew we would sin, that is why in the beginning He planned to redeem us...or provide a way out of our fallen state.

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false false false false false false false false false false false false false false FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FAIL.

if by the beginning im sure you mean adam and eve, of course.

in the beginning there can be absolutely no connection to Jesus and in no way can you say that it is ok to read the garden of eden story with Jesus in mind whatsoever.

sorry.


the garden of eden story and fall of mankind has nothing to do with Jesus at all.

If you want to know the truths i would be willing to tell you more because i like your name.

but otherwise, wise up.
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God knew we would sin, that is why in the beginning He planned to redeem us...or provide a way out of our fallen state.

 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


false false false false false false false false false false false false false false FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FALSE FAIL.

if by the beginning im sure you mean adam and eve, of course.

in the beginning there can be absolutely no connection to Jesus and in no way can you say that it is ok to read the garden of eden story with Jesus in mind whatsoever.

sorry.


the garden of eden story and fall of mankind has nothing to do with Jesus at all.

If you want to know the truths i would be willing to tell you more because i like your name.

but otherwise, wise up.
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If Jesus Christ is the alpha and omega then when did it start? Wouldn't it encompass all that is created?
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Sorry guys, I just got home from grocery shopping.

But, I'm not going to debate or even defend the message. It's your choice to believe it or not. If you don't believe it, pray about it and ask God Himself what the truth is.

I can't answer every question in the world, and there are some things that God does that I don't understand either, and somethings that I dont' even like with my sinful and faulty human mind. But, I believe what Jesus said, and He talked about those who are shut out of heaven and how they will suffer. I believe Jesus's words. He didn't come here and suffer an agonizing death to save us all from nothing. If we were all headed for heaven when we die, then what was the point of His death?

For those that don't believe.......well, pray about it then.

This is one instance where I really hope that I'm wrong. I hope there is no hell, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it. For those who are betting on it, that's the biggest risk you can take. And, what if you're wrong? You can't go back and try again.

God bless everyone.

hf
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You're not following. We don't subscribe to your dogma whatsoever. It's not part of our reality. The only person it can be 'too late' for is one who accepts the dogma that you're selling. Therefore your passive aggressive 'before it's too late" threats are shallow and meaningless.

You should know better than to try and scare people into accepting your dogma. You can't win their hearts with wisdom so you need to plant a seed of doubt or fear in their mind to win them over? All that reveals is that you're not qualified to be teaching anyone... Save it for church...

Now carry on pretending that you are omniscient and can know the fate of other peoples' souls. People that you don't even know - but that won't stop you from judging them will it?. In many peoples' eyes such a practice is considered morally reprehensible, but I guess not for some.

1dunno1
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

What is this reality you speak of? What you perceive is forged by what or whom?
You discover what is already put in place by a mind higher than yours. There is a design as DNA and atomic structure give testament to. Would you agree there is a design here? A pattern set in motion? There are two forces at odds. One creates and the other destroys. Are you saying what you know is greater than the gospel of Christ and the word of God?
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Jesus Christ is not the WAY, he demonstrated the WAY. He did not come to set up this following. The gospel of Christ has been completely multilated. There are not two forces at odds, they is only one force, but some members of it, choose to work at odds with the Creative Mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us our huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..

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A+ lisa, very very simple and very right A+


now for the bad news. i will post a new thread, hope i don't stay banned.

let me try to explain what is coming with this new world order, what the ac will offer the world. and who will stand against him.

will it be you?
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What is this reality you speak of? What you perceive is forged by what or whom?
You discover what is already put in place by a mind higher than yours. There is a design as DNA and atomic structure give testament to. Would you agree there is a design here? A pattern set in motion? There are two forces at odds. One creates and the other destroys. Are you saying what you know is greater than the gospel of Christ and the word of God?
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Jesus Christ is not the WAY, he demonstrated the WAY. He did not come to set up this following. The gospel of Christ has been completely multilated. There are not two forces at odds, they is only one force, but some members of it, choose to work at odds with the Creative Mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us our huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


You've fallen into satan's trap perfectly. You want to be your own God and make your own set of rules, and you think you "deserve" it as if you're the creator.

You're in for a HUGE surprise when your soul is standing before the REAL KING, which is Jesus Christ.

I pity you.
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Do you have questions about God or need a friend to talk to? Email me at LisaLovesJesus7@gmail.com
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God knew we would sin, that is why in the beginning He planned to redeem us...or provide a way out of our fallen state.


 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


Then he also must have known some of us would never believe his story! But he's such a twisted maniac he somehow get's off on the idea of populating his little self created hell (replete with the devil and his demons) with the souls of those whom he knew would never bite.
Lisa, your beliefs are your own but keep them to yourself and spare the sane folk.
If you get off on believing what is truly more unbelievable than Bigfoot then you have fun with that, but for the love of gods...keep it in your head.
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I'm fine knowing that I'll die someday, there's no point in trying to run away from that very fact.
If something happens afterwards, that'll be cool but I won't put too much faith in it.

I have no desire to put up billboards proclaiming my agnostic beliefs and threaten Christian children with eternal torture, I'm not sure why Christians can't have that same respect for me and my family.
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What do you consider reality?
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Living, working hard, being with my family. Opposing the unethical and many abuses of the world governments and other such bullies.
Etc.
 Quoting: jadksn 32237541

You realize this is a three dimensional work of smoke and mirrors don't you? You realize what runs world governments don't you? There are two Kingdoms at odds, and you are in the crossfire and confusion for not recognizing it. The battle is in its final stages.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


You still don't get it, your subjective theory is not the same as my OBJECTIVE reality.
You have no way of proving any of this, other than a book you were forced to read at a young age.

If it makes you happy, keep reading that book. But forcing it upon other people with threats is not OK.
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What is this reality you speak of? What you perceive is forged by what or whom?
You discover what is already put in place by a mind higher than yours. There is a design as DNA and atomic structure give testament to. Would you agree there is a design here? A pattern set in motion? There are two forces at odds. One creates and the other destroys. Are you saying what you know is greater than the gospel of Christ and the word of God?
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


Jesus Christ is not the WAY, he demonstrated the WAY. He did not come to set up this following. The gospel of Christ has been completely multilated. There are not two forces at odds, they is only one force, but some members of it, choose to work at odds with the Creative Mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us are huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


Now you are professing the spirit and workings of the antichrist. It has been the workings of darkness since antiquity to keep mankind from finding redemption. When the throngs of humanity are finally awakened and figure out Christ is their redeemer, the game is over for those who serve satan. This false world of smoke and mirrors will totally collapse. Many things have been done through this finite time to keep things in check. One is to discredit our faith. The effort to divide and conquer and create doubt is the way satan works. I know this enemy, the antichrist, and their henchmen well. Their time is almost up. The live interview GLP conducted with a preacher who followed satan for years, and escaped and found Christ as his Savior, John Ramierez, was a real eyeopener for some. If you didn't hear his message, then you should.
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Awesome video Lisa! Thanks for sharing! 5 stars + green karma.
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Jesus Christ is not the WAY, he demonstrated the WAY. He did not come to set up this following. The gospel of Christ has been completely multilated. There are not two forces at odds, they is only one force, but some members of it, choose to work at odds with the Creative Mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us our huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


You've fallen into satan's trap perfectly. You want to be your own God and make your own set of rules, and you think you "deserve" it as if you're the creator.

You're in for a HUGE surprise when your soul is standing before the REAL KING, which is Jesus Christ.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


You know what, people like you terrify me.
I'm scared knowing that there are a million of you walking around here in America, teaching my kids, writing my laws, dictating the very way I live.
It must be a massive burden to have to carry around so much hate.
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God bless you Lisa for posting this. And don't let these fools get you down.
They'll be singing a different tune when they stand before a Holy and Rightious God and have to give account for their lives.
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Maybe we can help one of them to see the truth before it's too late.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


You're not following. We don't subscribe to your dogma whatsoever. It's not part of our reality. The only person it can be 'too late' for is one who accepts the dogma that you're selling. Therefore your passive aggressive 'before it's too late" threats are shallow and meaningless.

You should know better than to try and scare people into accepting your dogma. You can't win their hearts with wisdom so you need to plant a seed of doubt or fear in their mind to win them over? All that reveals is that you're not qualified to be teaching anyone... Save it for church...

Now carry on pretending that you are omniscient and can know the fate of other peoples' souls. People that you don't even know - but that won't stop you from judging them will it?. In many peoples' eyes such a practice is considered morally reprehensible, but I guess not for some.

1dunno1
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

What is this reality you speak of? What you perceive is forged by what or whom?
You discover what is already put in place by a mind higher than yours. There is a design as DNA and atomic structure give testament to. Would you agree there is a design here? A pattern set in motion? There are two forces at odds. One creates and the other destroys. Are you saying what you know is greater than the gospel of Christ and the word of God?
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I'm not an atheist but thank you for your concern. : )

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What do you consider reality?
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Living, working hard, being with my family. Opposing the unethical and many abuses of the world governments and other such bullies.
Etc.
 Quoting: jadksn 32237541

You realize this is a three dimensional work of smoke and mirrors don't you? You realize what runs world governments don't you? There are two Kingdoms at odds, and you are in the crossfire and confusion for not recognizing it. The battle is in its final stages.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


You still don't get it, your subjective theory is not the same as my OBJECTIVE reality.
You have no way of proving any of this, other than a book you were forced to read at a young age.

If it makes you happy, keep reading that book. But forcing it upon other people with threats is not OK.
 Quoting: jadksn 32237541


Are you so sure of this? If you are a "realist" then you understand that logic dictates that a design is used in creation. Do you shop without a grocery list? If you don't plan, create the list, do the shopping and put them in the cupboard, will it magically appear there? Not in the natural world by natural means. The same holds true for creation. An atheist says there is no God. Did all of this happen chance? If lightning struck primordial goo and life was created then who created the lightning and the primordial goo? Science is never the author of life, it is always in pursuit of that which is already put in place by a higher being.

No one on here is making a threat to you. You have freewill. What you will find are Christians who will defend their faith. You knew this was a Christian thread when you posted. What did you expect? If I could show you overwhelming evidence that there is a dark design and the spirit of the antichrist at work on this earth then what would say? How much evidence would it take to at least convince something is at work that influences your life?
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Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us our huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


You've fallen into satan's trap perfectly. You want to be your own God and make your own set of rules, and you think you "deserve" it as if you're the creator.

You're in for a HUGE surprise when your soul is standing before the REAL KING, which is Jesus Christ.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


You know what, people like you terrify me.
I'm scared knowing that there are a million of you walking around here in America, teaching my kids, writing my laws, dictating the very way I live.
It must be a massive burden to have to carry around so much hate.
 Quoting: jadksn 32237541


We have an over abundance of these mindless drones for 'christ' here in SA.
They're the scariest people on the planet!
They're ruthless, unkind, self obsessed, discordant, unfaithful (to their partners), rude, egotistical and self absorbed and they hide all of the nastiness and anger under the guise of loving everyone like they love jesus...hypocrite's!
I really wish christianity had never been invented because it's caused more damage than can EVER be undone.
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Maybe we can help one of them to see the truth before it's too late.

hf
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


You're not following. We don't subscribe to your dogma whatsoever. It's not part of our reality. The only person it can be 'too late' for is one who accepts the dogma that you're selling. Therefore your passive aggressive 'before it's too late" threats are shallow and meaningless.

You should know better than to try and scare people into accepting your dogma. You can't win their hearts with wisdom so you need to plant a seed of doubt or fear in their mind to win them over? All that reveals is that you're not qualified to be teaching anyone... Save it for church...

Now carry on pretending that you are omniscient and can know the fate of other peoples' souls. People that you don't even know - but that won't stop you from judging them will it?. In many peoples' eyes such a practice is considered morally reprehensible, but I guess not for some.

1dunno1
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC

What is this reality you speak of? What you perceive is forged by what or whom?
You discover what is already put in place by a mind higher than yours. There is a design as DNA and atomic structure give testament to. Would you agree there is a design here? A pattern set in motion? There are two forces at odds. One creates and the other destroys. Are you saying what you know is greater than the gospel of Christ and the word of God?
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


I'm not an atheist but thank you for your concern. : )
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Anhedonic, I am not saying that you are. But what is solid in your beliefs that would convince you Christ is a way but not the way? You are ready to accept this three dimensional world you live in as reality. Do you understand the intent behind it?
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The 5 "I will's" of satan.

This is how satan became an enemy of God.

I will ascend to heaven.
I will raise my throne above the stars of God.
I will sit on the mount of assembly in the recesses of the north.
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds.
I will make myself like the Most High.

(Isaiah 14:13-14)

So, how many of you believe as satan does? That "you will" do this and do that, that you deserve this or that, that you can be your own God, that you are divine all by yourself.

Or, do you submit to the will of God? Do you humble yourself before Him, declaring Him king of the universe and sovereign creator? Do you give Him all the glory? Do you ask forgiveness for your sins and acknowledge your faults and flaws?

Which side are you on?
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Do you have questions about God or need a friend to talk to? Email me at LisaLovesJesus7@gmail.com
___________________________

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Jesus Christ is not the WAY, he demonstrated the WAY. He did not come to set up this following. The gospel of Christ has been completely multilated. There are not two forces at odds, they is only one force, but some members of it, choose to work at odds with the Creative Mind.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31769448


Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us are huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..
 Quoting: Lips Of Lucifer


Now you are professing the spirit and workings of the antichrist. It has been the workings of darkness since antiquity to keep mankind from finding redemption. When the throngs of humanity are finally awakened and figure out Christ is their redeemer, the game is over for those who serve satan. This false world of smoke and mirrors will totally collapse. Many things have been done through this finite time to keep things in check. One is to discredit our faith. The effort to divide and conquer and create doubt is the way satan works. I know this enemy, the antichrist, and their henchmen well. Their time is almost up. The live interview GLP conducted with a preacher who followed satan for years, and escaped and found Christ as his Savior, John Ramierez, was a real eyeopener for some. If you didn't hear his message, then you should.
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We are not throngs of Humanity Ma'am/Sir. We are all individuals! Each with her own needs, and belief in redemption. I find it simplistic to take this awesome beauty of individuality that the natural order has endowed us with, and to dump into the social bin of conformity the few hold out as their truth...how arrogant! We are not that simple!

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Jesus Christ is the way. You should learn something by simple faith. Everything he did in his ministry including miracles was based on faith that resided between himself and the believer. If the written gospel did not exist during his ministry on earth then how much faith a believer of that time must have had. You are sadly mistaken about the one force. There are two Kingdoms at odds. Would you agree that a design exist in nature? That patterns have been set in motion to give mankind clues that there is a supreme being?
Doesn't the bible say "You will know a tree by the fruit it bears?" As surely as the fruit of good are known also you should know there are evil fruits as well.
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What is that design in the natural order of things? My view is that might is right, based on pure observation. The weak become the herd for food and the strong write the rules, whether it be the Hierarchy of a lion or Hyena pride or the a Multinational defending its market share. The rest is secondary, and religion is that numbing protein that bloodsuckers inject into their prey while it's asleep. All religion has done in 'Human' history has created this culture of acceptance and inevitability to be rewarded in some fantasy 'afterlife'. What a con! Human Beings deserve better than this, that is why the natural order gave us are huge Brains...not just big mouths and grabbing paws..
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Now you are professing the spirit and workings of the antichrist. It has been the workings of darkness since antiquity to keep mankind from finding redemption. When the throngs of humanity are finally awakened and figure out Christ is their redeemer, the game is over for those who serve satan. This false world of smoke and mirrors will totally collapse. Many things have been done through this finite time to keep things in check. One is to discredit our faith. The effort to divide and conquer and create doubt is the way satan works. I know this enemy, the antichrist, and their henchmen well. Their time is almost up. The live interview GLP conducted with a preacher who followed satan for years, and escaped and found Christ as his Savior, John Ramierez, was a real eyeopener for some. If you didn't hear his message, then you should.
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We are not throngs of Humanity Ma'am/Sir. We are all individuals! Each with her own needs, and belief in redemption. I find it simplistic to take this awesome beauty of individuality that the natural order has endowed us with, and to dump into the social bin of conformity the few hold out as their truth...how arrogant! We are not that simple!
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What is your redemption? Everything you profess is luciferianism. Do as thou wilt. Survival of the fittest, use, abuse, and discard are all properties that have no redeeming values.
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Living, working hard, being with my family. Opposing the unethical and many abuses of the world governments and other such bullies.
Etc.
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You realize this is a three dimensional work of smoke and mirrors don't you? You realize what runs world governments don't you? There are two Kingdoms at odds, and you are in the crossfire and confusion for not recognizing it. The battle is in its final stages.
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You still don't get it, your subjective theory is not the same as my OBJECTIVE reality.
You have no way of proving any of this, other than a book you were forced to read at a young age.

If it makes you happy, keep reading that book. But forcing it upon other people with threats is not OK.
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Are you so sure of this? If you are a "realist" then you understand that logic dictates that a design is used in creation. Do you shop without a grocery list? If you don't plan, create the list, do the shopping and put them in the cupboard, will it magically appear there? Not in the natural world by natural means. The same holds true for creation. An atheist says there is no God. Did all of this happen chance? If lightning struck primordial goo and life was created then who created the lightning and the primordial goo? Science is never the author of life, it is always in pursuit of that which is already put in place by a higher being.

No one on here is making a threat to you. You have freewill. What you will find are Christians who will defend their faith. You knew this was a Christian thread when you posted. What did you expect? If I could show you overwhelming evidence that there is a dark design and the spirit of the antichrist at work on this earth then what would say? How much evidence would it take to at least convince something is at work that influences your life?
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I was aware of the Christian nature of this topic before I posted, but that wasn't the reason I even bothered replying. It's the sheer elitist and CONDESCENDING attitude that some of you just emanate. I've never posted in a "favorite bible verse" thread or "Christian Brainstorming Thread", or attempted to ridicule you an the basis of your beliefs as other (more immature) un-believers have... This, as with most xTian threads on here was an attack. It's akin to me posting a thread titled "Everyone you've ever loved who has died is gone forever and you will never see them again." Although this is what I believe to probably be true, I don't wake up every morning with the intention of being a condescending dick.
Defending your faith isn't the same as forcing it upon other people.
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I choose non of the above.
I don't want to be agressive or insulting, but this is pure evil propaganda. The creator of the universe has no intentions to send you into eternal fire, neither the good nor the bad, neither the believer nor the atheist.

God enjoys himself on the simple fact that his creation exists.

Every entity that threatens one with torture and pain is an imposter.
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Sure, He enjoys it so much that He is going to destroy it, for the second time around. This time will be the last.

God does not enjoy sin, rebellion and evil. He allows it for a reason, but the time is almost up.

The time to make your choice is now.
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So... You believe in judgement day yes?
After 2k, 21st of May and 21st of December failed, you still believe this?
Doesn't your scripture explicitly say, noone knows the date of judgement, exept god?
Sorry, but this thread is a prime example of the cultish behaviour of christians. Reminds me of heavens gate.

When the day comes and your life is about to end, you will be in for a surprise. Because you didn't experience judgement in your lifetime, but mainly because you didn't expect what happens after death.
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Of course I believe it, and none of those dates had anything to do with the Lord and His word the Bible.

No man knows the day or hour that Jesus is returning, nobody.
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then why do you feel time is short?

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You realize this is a three dimensional work of smoke and mirrors don't you? You realize what runs world governments don't you? There are two Kingdoms at odds, and you are in the crossfire and confusion for not recognizing it. The battle is in its final stages.
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You still don't get it, your subjective theory is not the same as my OBJECTIVE reality.
You have no way of proving any of this, other than a book you were forced to read at a young age.

If it makes you happy, keep reading that book. But forcing it upon other people with threats is not OK.
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Are you so sure of this? If you are a "realist" then you understand that logic dictates that a design is used in creation. Do you shop without a grocery list? If you don't plan, create the list, do the shopping and put them in the cupboard, will it magically appear there? Not in the natural world by natural means. The same holds true for creation. An atheist says there is no God. Did all of this happen chance? If lightning struck primordial goo and life was created then who created the lightning and the primordial goo? Science is never the author of life, it is always in pursuit of that which is already put in place by a higher being.

No one on here is making a threat to you. You have freewill. What you will find are Christians who will defend their faith. You knew this was a Christian thread when you posted. What did you expect? If I could show you overwhelming evidence that there is a dark design and the spirit of the antichrist at work on this earth then what would say? How much evidence would it take to at least convince something is at work that influences your life?
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I was aware of the Christian nature of this topic before I posted, but that wasn't the reason I even bothered replying. It's the sheer elitist and CONDESCENDING attitude that some of you just emanate. I've never posted in a "favorite bible verse" thread or "Christian Brainstorming Thread", or attempted to ridicule you an the basis of your beliefs as other (more immature) un-believers have... This, as with most xTian threads on here was an attack. It's akin to me posting a thread titled "Everyone you've ever loved who has died is gone forever and you will never see them again." Although this is what I believe to probably be true, I don't wake up every morning with the intention of being a condescending dick.
Defending your faith isn't the same as forcing it upon other people.
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And when were you forced to post on this thread? Who held you at gunpoint? It is your choice to believe in Christ or not to believe. It is as simple as that.
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Sure, He enjoys it so much that He is going to destroy it, for the second time around. This time will be the last.

God does not enjoy sin, rebellion and evil. He allows it for a reason, but the time is almost up.

The time to make your choice is now.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa



So... You believe in judgement day yes?
After 2k, 21st of May and 21st of December failed, you still believe this?
Doesn't your scripture explicitly say, noone knows the date of judgement, exept god?
Sorry, but this thread is a prime example of the cultish behaviour of christians. Reminds me of heavens gate.

When the day comes and your life is about to end, you will be in for a surprise. Because you didn't experience judgement in your lifetime, but mainly because you didn't expect what happens after death.
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Of course I believe it, and none of those dates had anything to do with the Lord and His word the Bible.

No man knows the day or hour that Jesus is returning, nobody.
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then why do you feel time is short?

Thread: Time is Short
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We can't know the day or the hour, but Jesus gave us signs to look for so that we would know that we are in the last days. Those signs are now.

But, as far as the exact day of His return? Nobody knows that.
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The case against Hell:

Did you know that there is a solid scriptural case to be made against the idea of Hell? Many non-Christians have rejected the concept of Hell, but it may come as a surprise to learn that there is a growing number of Bible-believing Christians who also reject the notion-not in spite of Scripture but because of it! This short study is meant only to raise some questions and provide brief answers. For further study, please refer to the links at the end of the article.

"Hell" Is Not an Old Testament doctrine:

Popular myth : Hell is an established Biblical doctrine that is in the Bible from start to finish. This is not true! Two thirds of the Bible (the Old Testament) does not mention Hell at all. ("Sheol," the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means "grave" by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile). Thus the Old Testament does not contain the concept of Hell!

Think about it...
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So... You believe in judgement day yes?
After 2k, 21st of May and 21st of December failed, you still believe this?
Doesn't your scripture explicitly say, noone knows the date of judgement, exept god?
Sorry, but this thread is a prime example of the cultish behaviour of christians. Reminds me of heavens gate.

When the day comes and your life is about to end, you will be in for a surprise. Because you didn't experience judgement in your lifetime, but mainly because you didn't expect what happens after death.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12858137


Of course I believe it, and none of those dates had anything to do with the Lord and His word the Bible.

No man knows the day or hour that Jesus is returning, nobody.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


then why do you feel time is short?

Thread: Time is Short
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We can't know the day or the hour, but Jesus gave us signs to look for so that we would know that we are in the last days. Those signs are now.

But, as far as the exact day of His return? Nobody knows that.
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which signs specifically are happening today that havent happened before?
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You realize this is a three dimensional work of smoke and mirrors don't you? You realize what runs world governments don't you? There are two Kingdoms at odds, and you are in the crossfire and confusion for not recognizing it. The battle is in its final stages.
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You still don't get it, your subjective theory is not the same as my OBJECTIVE reality.
You have no way of proving any of this, other than a book you were forced to read at a young age.

If it makes you happy, keep reading that book. But forcing it upon other people with threats is not OK.
 Quoting: jadksn 32237541


Are you so sure of this? If you are a "realist" then you understand that logic dictates that a design is used in creation. Do you shop without a grocery list? If you don't plan, create the list, do the shopping and put them in the cupboard, will it magically appear there? Not in the natural world by natural means. The same holds true for creation. An atheist says there is no God. Did all of this happen chance? If lightning struck primordial goo and life was created then who created the lightning and the primordial goo? Science is never the author of life, it is always in pursuit of that which is already put in place by a higher being.

No one on here is making a threat to you. You have freewill. What you will find are Christians who will defend their faith. You knew this was a Christian thread when you posted. What did you expect? If I could show you overwhelming evidence that there is a dark design and the spirit of the antichrist at work on this earth then what would say? How much evidence would it take to at least convince something is at work that influences your life?
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I was aware of the Christian nature of this topic before I posted, but that wasn't the reason I even bothered replying. It's the sheer elitist and CONDESCENDING attitude that some of you just emanate. I've never posted in a "favorite bible verse" thread or "Christian Brainstorming Thread", or attempted to ridicule you an the basis of your beliefs as other (more immature) un-believers have... This, as with most xTian threads on here was an attack. It's akin to me posting a thread titled "Everyone you've ever loved who has died is gone forever and you will never see them again." Although this is what I believe to probably be true, I don't wake up every morning with the intention of being a condescending dick.
Defending your faith isn't the same as forcing it upon other people.
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Well fucking said! clappa
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The case against Hell:

Did you know that there is a solid scriptural case to be made against the idea of Hell? Many non-Christians have rejected the concept of Hell, but it may come as a surprise to learn that there is a growing number of Bible-believing Christians who also reject the notion-not in spite of Scripture but because of it! This short study is meant only to raise some questions and provide brief answers. For further study, please refer to the links at the end of the article.

"Hell" Is Not an Old Testament doctrine:

Popular myth : Hell is an established Biblical doctrine that is in the Bible from start to finish. This is not true! Two thirds of the Bible (the Old Testament) does not mention Hell at all. ("Sheol," the Old Testament word that is sometimes translated as Hell, only means "grave" by definition, and it is where everyone in the Old Testament went when they died--good or evil, Jew or Gentile). Thus the Old Testament does not contain the concept of Hell!

Think about it...
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If Hell is real, why didn't God make that warning plain right at the beginning of the Bible? God said the penalty for eating of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was death- -not "eternal life" in fire and brimstone.

If Hell is real, why wasn't Cain warned about it, or Sodom and Gomorrah , or any of those who committed the earliest recorded "sins?"

If Hell is real why didn't Moses warn about this fate in the Ten Commandments or the Mosaic Covenant consisting of over 600 laws, ordinances, and warnings? The Mosaic Law simply stated blessings and cursings in this lifetime.

If Hell is real, why are its roots in paganism, rather than the Bible? Many nations surrounding Israel in the Old Testament believed in Hell-like punishment in the afterlife, for they served bloodthirsty and evil "gods," while Israel simply taught the grave (sheol) and a hope of a resurrection. If Hell is real, why was the revelation of it first given to pagan nations, instead of God's covenant people? Did God expect Israel to learn about the afterlife from the Pagan Gentiles? If so, why did He repeatedly warn Israel to not learn of their ways?

If Hell is real, why did God tell the Jews that burning their children alive in the fire to the false god Molech, (in the valley of Gehenna ) was so detestable to Him? God said that such a thing "never even entered His mind" (Jer. 32:35). How could God say such a thing to Israel , if He has plans to burn alive a good majority of His own creation in a spiritual and eternal Gehenna of His own making?

**FACT: The King James Bible erroneously translates the word "Sheol" as Hell a total of 31 times in the Old Testament, thus setting a foundation for that doctrine in the New Testament as well as the majority of Bible translations to follow the KJV. Even so, most new translations have completely eliminated Hell from the Old Testament, as honest and better scholarship has demanded. The Jewish version of the Old Testament (the Tanakh) has no concept of Hell in it. The importance of this fact cannot be over-emphasized. If a doctrine does not appear as seed form in the books of the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms, it cannot fairly be taught as a major biblical doctrine, if indeed it can be taught as biblical at all!
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I'm sure their are lovely 'belief system territories' in the astral frequencies for those dogmatic Christians genuine in their intent to spread peace and love... but 'salvation by coercion' is a tool of Satan, metaphorically speaking. You win no divine position by championing your culture's distorted version of the metaphysical laws and ignoring matters of the heart, mind, and spirit. Brownie points are for the ego. The judge you believe in is the reflection of yourself in a mirror. Will you like what you see when the time comes? If you're okay with who you are then you should be okay with death... shit's as natural as birth for crying out loud. Forget dusty books propagated by the same automatons in control today and enjoy the ride of metaphysical transition when the time comes.
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Of course I believe it, and none of those dates had anything to do with the Lord and His word the Bible.

No man knows the day or hour that Jesus is returning, nobody.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


then why do you feel time is short?

Thread: Time is Short
 Quoting: Oyster


We can't know the day or the hour, but Jesus gave us signs to look for so that we would know that we are in the last days. Those signs are now.

But, as far as the exact day of His return? Nobody knows that.
 Quoting: Lisa*Lisa


which signs specifically are happening today that havent happened before?
 Quoting: Oyster


Destruction of the world, mass animal deaths, the NWO, love of many growing cold, increase in evil, earthquakes everywhere, israel becoming a nation, christians beheaded for their testimony, nations turning against God and removing His name from everything public........you name it. Too many signs to even list.
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This paradigm of heaven or hell is merely the extension of the positive/negative charge of the cube we are trapped in.

This God you worship is a lesser power (not THE soure) that just wants to suck your energy, and he will NEVER free you.

But hey, enjoy the game you're playing,
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You still don't get it, your subjective theory is not the same as my OBJECTIVE reality.
You have no way of proving any of this, other than a book you were forced to read at a young age.

If it makes you happy, keep reading that book. But forcing it upon other people with threats is not OK.
 Quoting: jadksn 32237541


Are you so sure of this? If you are a "realist" then you understand that logic dictates that a design is used in creation. Do you shop without a grocery list? If you don't plan, create the list, do the shopping and put them in the cupboard, will it magically appear there? Not in the natural world by natural means. The same holds true for creation. An atheist says there is no God. Did all of this happen chance? If lightning struck primordial goo and life was created then who created the lightning and the primordial goo? Science is never the author of life, it is always in pursuit of that which is already put in place by a higher being.

No one on here is making a threat to you. You have freewill. What you will find are Christians who will defend their faith. You knew this was a Christian thread when you posted. What did you expect? If I could show you overwhelming evidence that there is a dark design and the spirit of the antichrist at work on this earth then what would say? How much evidence would it take to at least convince something is at work that influences your life?
 Quoting: Jesus Christ is the way


I was aware of the Christian nature of this topic before I posted, but that wasn't the reason I even bothered replying. It's the sheer elitist and CONDESCENDING attitude that some of you just emanate. I've never posted in a "favorite bible verse" thread or "Christian Brainstorming Thread", or attempted to ridicule you an the basis of your beliefs as other (more immature) un-believers have... This, as with most xTian threads on here was an attack. It's akin to me posting a thread titled "Everyone you've ever loved who has died is gone forever and you will never see them again." Although this is what I believe to probably be true, I don't wake up every morning with the intention of being a condescending dick.
Defending your faith isn't the same as forcing it upon other people.
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And when were you forced to post on this thread? Who held you at gunpoint? It is your choice to believe in Christ or not to believe. It is as simple as that.
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It's not a choice at all. I am unable to believe in burning bushes and talking snakes and other such nonsense. You constantly blame an "enemy of creation" for turning people away from your christ, but fail to realize that it's yourselves who are to blame. Annnnnnnnnnd that's my entire point.
Please learn some decency, or at least some basic communication skills. You cannot convince anyone of anything with threats of violence. Unless you're about to rob a bank or something.

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