Heaven or Hell? You choose

I responded to you this way because the scripture says do unto others as they do unto you. You showed your true colors. You are a frustrated soul that is lost without Christ. You really don't have a plan because of one simple fact, you think you are your own way.

I see I struck a dark nerve. What I say or don't say doesn't take away from that one SIMPLE FACT. Jesus Christ is the only savior of this world. And as Lisa stated in thread title Heaven or Hell? you choose. In the final analysis, that is what it all comes down to, and really is the only question worth answering concerning eternity. You are either ascending through Christ or descending into a lake of fire. Any other question or answer session outside of that is related to this cursed time and fulfillment of scriptures. You obviously have contempt for anything scripturally based; so, that is like going to second base without rounding first base which is accepting Christ as your Savior. No one on this message has threatened you with violence. Find it! It is imagined like the fairytale/nightmare world you live in.

I suggest to be consistent and an equal opportunist in your belief system (not quite sure what that is) go visit some Islamic or Buddhists thread and go kerplunk in their punchbowls as well. I am sure they will welcome you with open arms. I don't know what their youtube version of kumbaya is, but it should be warm and fuzzy session for you. Our punchbowl at present has this nasty little brown thingy floating around on the top and stinking up the place.

I call it urban renewal, God is prepared to forgive and wash away sins. God created the flood out of love, The world was going to hell at that time.
God loves us! Now a days we know enough were anyone can be saved. Repent your sins, Jesus saves and will get you through tough times.

Last Edited by stars on 01/18/2013 10:20 AM

That war should not have happened, Murder is murder.
They will pay one way or another.

You are helplessly obtuse, keep skirting around the issue. I don't care what character you choose to believe in as long as you don't assault mine and my families eyes with hateful, derogatory, and violent statements. A threat of eternal torture is a threat of violence!
Simply put, stop being such a dick.

And to be fair, the caste system of Hindu's is bullshit. Islam is misogynist, violent, and pedophilic at it's core. Buddhists are currently genociding muslim minorities in Myanmar. Scientologists scam the weak-willed. Luciferians are selfish and greedy. Most of the Christians I know are usually mild-mannered and agreeably, a few are downright vile and evil. Have I left anything out?

You have God confused with satan, God doesnt like ego, as a matter of fact its a pain in the but. God just loves us. Thats all, period.
I love God and people, animals, nature.. I thank God for everything I have.

Youd better seek Jesus from your insides, heart.

Quoting jadksn -"A threat of eternal torture is a threat of violence!
Simply put, stop being such a dick. "


Tell us how you really feel. I am not your judge, God is. I don't threaten you or your family. I don't make the rules. God does. I know that he and his Son are real. They have talked to me many times, and the time is short. As a Christian it is my responsibility to spread the Gospel and defend the faith. It's the same for anyone else of Christian faith. Let's fast forward to Judgment Day. Revelation 20:11-15 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Why? Could it be the word "matrix" and time components of the current day make 666 in the general method and give clues as to the breadth, height, and depth of this lie of the spirit of the antichrist?. This current reality will flee from God.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. IF YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD THROUGH CHRIST, THEN YOUR WORKS ARE FORGIVEN AND THE ONLY THING THAT APPLIES TO YOU IS THE BOOK OF LIFE WHERE YOU ARE A NEW CREATION THROUGH A REBIRTH IN WATER AND PASSING THE TRIAL BY FIRE. THOSE THAT ARE JUDGED IN 'OTHER BOOKS' CHOSE TO BELIEVE THIS THREE DIMENSIONAL PRISON WE LIVE IN IS THEIR TRUTH AND REALITY. John 3:5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.” 1Peter 4:12 "Dear friends, do not be astonished that a trial by fire is occurring among you, as though something strange were happening to you."The one true church is going to be taken as a bride. Matthew 16:18 "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
Now back to Revelations.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. CHRIST CONQUERED SIN AND DEATH AND THE GATES OF HELL DO NOT PREVAIL AGAINST THOSE OF FAITH.

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. READ THIS!!! IT IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT I SAID EARLIER. HELL IS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THE LAKE OF FIRE IS WHAT AWAITS THOSE NOT OF THE BOOK OF LIFE!!!! Here's another gematria 666 (the book of the dead) . Add that to what you call "my gibberish and talking in circles". There are well over 100 examples of dark words in the spirit of the antichrist making 666 in numerology. I told you the coming lie of the antichrist will consume those not in the book of life without a profession of faith in Christ. This is the final step of satan making you believe reincarnation, and egyptology where the book of the dead originates. God is not going to destroy Egypt and make it uninhabitable for 40 years on a whim. Jerusalem is not figuratively called sodom and egypt in the times of the abomination of desolation without cause either. Time to get a clue.

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
I didn't write this, but I know the truth. The truth, the light and the way is Jesus Christ. He is your key to salvation and a place in the Book of Life.

This world may pass away...
But God's Word stands forever...
Holy Holy is our God Almighty...
Who was and Is and yet to come.
Judgment Day is upon us.
The end is near but so is our redemption.
No one knows the day or hour.
I will not fall asleep.
I choose Heaven.

There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
1 john 4:18

Why does this "God" punish us for exercising our free will more specifically freedom of belief.What good is freedom of belief if this God tells us ,"believe in this or suffer eternally" . This "God" is using veiled threats and scare tactics.

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Hey friend, how you doing?

There are two gates of protection, the one seems right the other is right.

The one that seems right keeps a 'bitch' at your gates wittingly or unwittingly to ensure worldly success, you have an apparent successful life on earth lying to yourself in your bold conceitedness that all your actions are above board, but it is gaining your life in this world by way of "drinking human blood to survive" the systems allow, but then losing your life in the next world, so when you take your last breath, the 'bitch' picks you up for the lake of fire prepared for the cursed one and his legions of demons, while the oppressed and suppressed who naturally rejected religious demonic control have remained faithful to their Father in Heaven are miraculously carried through the horrors of life, loosing their life on earth but gaining it on the other side, "the footprints on the sands of time" are the footprints of Jesus who carried them as they were denied by the 'bitch' to walk freely, God picks them up when they can't anymore, they kept their honour with their Father in Heaven and He kept His honour with them. "We do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers in the air", if you give yourself over to those spirits Satan works on your success and your destruction to his glory and finishes you off afterwards, the way of a foolish person falls for those spirits in people who fell for those spirits from others where Satan is using them all as his tool. It all started in the Garden of Eden Satan went into the serpent and beguiled Eve as he knew a child would be born to carry his legacy so he can control, and she did not think so far as the new experience was the distraction, and she in turn showed Adam as she beguiled him unwittingly, and the new thing was a distraction for him too, forgetting the original instruction given so they both fell from God's glory. We do it all the time and the wages of sin becomes death as it is outside of God's Order. But millions and millions of people who knew nothing about the former conduct, order and doctrine lead by the Holy Spirit during the church age period instinctively remained faithful to themselves and people around them thus keeping their honour and are naturally highly respectable human beings this world is not worthy of, they never allowed the 'bitch' to take them in the 'bitche's' paradise and kept their soul.

The one that is right is about YOU keeping your protection given freely From above AND making sure you don't loose it, no matter who or what stands in your way which would otherwise be the reason for your downfall, should you loose your divine protection of the divine Holy Spirit who is your unseen authority, that divine protection turns its back on evil and the Holy Spirit flees from evil as you have now wittingly or unwittingly forsaken your protection, YOU opened doors for the 'bitch' wittingly or unwittingly and its spirits of delusions infiltrated and the end result is; you wake up with a tattered life, we were never created to have a destructive life on earth but indeed the opposite to that, so what we sew we reap and learn a very expensive lesson and have to pick up the pieces and go back to the drawing board and start all over again but this time in God's Will not our own will or the will of others who could have been the cause for bringing you down, you can still get up and recognise WHY you fell, then fix it up according to the prescription given in the Gospels, and clean-up and start fresh by way of seeking forgiveness as far as possible where you caused the harm and forgiving others who harmed you, it makes you a stronger and a more powerful person than who you were before, everyone can see you now have a renewed strength. But going back to repeat what you used to do is the same as a dog returning to its vomit. Therefore, the right prescription is required and needs to be taken, so those troubles bugging you, can go, as it will be dealt with by your Father in heaven in His perfect timing who will remove it supernaturally, whether it is by fire and brimstone or quietly the results are the same. We are a generation of people who demand instant gratification and we do not know how God is going to deal with our problem we are stuck with, it could be instant or it could take place over time, He knows what is best for perfect reasons we cannot understand but we will understand later on as everything comes together and falls in place perfectly, patience, faith and belief with a good heart and a clear conscience as we live in times where it is all about abusing one another, and it is destructive.

The last chapter of Revelations speaks for itself, that is what this world is made up of we have to be strong and not allow ourselves to fall.

I remember seeing a Youtube video, it was the Russian news reporting "Nibiru" with the double suns in the background in the skies and a cloud formation above it was morphing, it became a dog vomiting and then morphing into a long dark crocodile dragon spread across the sky. I looked at that, my attention was not on the two suns, this for me was the heavens also speaking to an adulterous generation, us, who seek a sign, and the morphing clouds is a message to an adulterer (fallen spiritually resulting in more world and less God whereas before it was more God than more world) as they have fallen away from faith and belief turning God's Table into vomit. That long dark croc seems to be the "table" everyone is eating from. When things go wrong due to our own mistakes causing it, we are inclined to cry out for help from God in our desperations expecting deliverance without first acknowledging our mistakes and fixing them up, cleaning ourselves first by fixing-up, by owning up to those whom you harmed and forgiving those who harmed you, we have to do this first before we approach our Father in heaven, not doing that and crying and begging for help in a world of spiritual blackness, but begging for a sign from Him to show you the way, He will surely give you a sign, and it will be a sign of destruction = "an adulterous nation seeks after a sign" and a sign will be given, as it will be Satan carrying you further away from God's presence if we are not careful, making it even harder to come back! Like a ship that lost its sails and drifting into the middle of the ocean. All that is needed is pure faith, belief and with the right spirit and a good conscience and to fall in line with The Word of God and live like that, as that is how He created us, deliverance will come in God's own timing not ours, to be brave and accept our circumstances and remain faithful and do the best we can not doubting in our faith as we wait for deliverance.

I discussed the little miracles from the older apartheid days with a lady from another country in Africa, and we shared incidences and then we changed the conversation about winning money at a casino and discussed the kinds of experiences one has there, then, during this conversation, the cat walked in from outside and came between us and decided to vomit on the floor! We looked at each other and both understood very well that by our conversations we were turning something eternal into vomit as having a relationship with The Lord as well as receiving winnings from Satan's playground, contributes towards forsaking your faith thus breaking it down systematically, a lethal mix, expecting deliverance from above and also expecting 'deliverance' from below, it makes us serpents speaking with a forked tongue, the innocent cat vomiting was a sure sign for us as we cannot have it both ways, one is heaven and the other is hell, an adulterous nation or individuals will never get away with it should they not repent and so we repented, and that through a cat. Cats kill serpents.

In the apartheid days you would be ostracised by your white counterparts for caring for black babies or children in your house when they are in need at deaths door but after 1994 it became a political statement to help a black child and have him/her in your house or have a black child in your car, the little miracles we discussed were the things recorded in heaven and will be used against those perpetrators who failed to repent and our testimony falls away when we start to play with Satan which leads to joining his kingdom.

I heard a guy mention things from the past, his mom worked in a home for the cerebral palsy and there were some black children there and he had two black brothers who also lived with him at his house, this caused due to domestic trauma and his mom took them in and he remembers the police arriving taking his mom away for having black children in the caregiving home, and her little boys waited alone until late at night then the police came and took his two black brothers away and he has never seen them since, the police brought his mom back and they were forced to live by the apartheid rules, this was the silent holocaust that took place here but there were hundreds of missionaries who helped, some providing false religious doctrines which altered understanding through the mind, and some providing pure unadulterated Word altering the understanding through the heart. This man lost his two young black brothers and still can never live it down.

I heard not so long ago that an elderly lady who lived through those years of quiet miracles in the apartheid days as her family was on the side of spiritual progress and received the blessings that swept through our country in the 50's, she was alone at home and was accosted by black robbers and they murdered her, a common advent in our country, she remembers leaving her body and saw her whole killing taking place before her, and she saw the blood gushing out of her head, she then woke up in hospital in bandages with her arms reaching out to The Lord Who was standing there and saw how He healed her arm, He said He brought her back as He has a work for her to do. If there is a Youtube on this some time I will post it on here.

There were millions of miracles which took place in America, there one story about a woman who had gangrene in the lower part of her body and her legs and feet and the doctors cut out as much as they could and she could not eat, she was rotten from the waist down, she most probably lived off a drip in her dying days as she was close to death, she was healed and she cried out for food and the doctors said she could have just a little bit of lemonade but they said they don't know where it is going to go to as there is nothing left inside of her. During the time for their meals their food arrived and another patient got her lemonade and she got that patient's dinner, the nurses made a mistake, she received a full-on 'Sunday' lunch in front of her and she polished it and survived, she never looked back and went home completely healed, God created everything anew that was missing from head to toe.

I remember visiting at a farm and on the coffee table was a huge fat book of testimonials of miracles during the Zimbabwean days, the old Rhodesia, how blacks ravaged the whites and how some Christians were left with the most amazing stories that saved their lives as they were helped from above, after reading this I was not the same it mowes your down then it increases your faith, a renewed kind of faith as these stories were incredible. This is the actual education children should be taught at school to increase their faith and find a real change for the good, as the help these Christians received from above was a supernatural experience, a marvel, not the curriculum training them in the subtle art of drinking human blood.

We do not know what holds the day but we know Who holds the day. We can see there is a changing-over of power as principalities and powers in the air are about finished, Satan's kingdom closing down and God's Kingdom taking over, like the crossing of arms Esau the first born who was supposed to get the inheritance on account of tradition, loses it for selling his soul for a bowl of soup in his desperate hunger pangs, and his brother Jacob gains the inheritance through Esau's folly and Jacob so happened to be the rightful inheritor already known by God before the foundations of the creation of this earth.

Asking for a sign that was already given endangers as the risk is the gates of hell opening up. THE SIGN was already given twice, in the beginning of the past 2000 years, and in the end of the 2000 years, it was the windows of heaven that opened, an adulterous generation slides past it, but the next event of Life, is Christ coming back with His saints, the victors, to this earth as the Bible describes.

Satan and his legions are a deterrent from the gates of hell and crossing red lines can take you there.

Well don't make what you can't take.

false dilemma

one star