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Holme's psychiatrist being sued over rampage!

 
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[link to news.yahoo.com]

"The widow of a U.S. Navy veteran killed in the shooting rampage at a Colorado movie theater has sued a psychiatrist who treated accused gunman James Holmes, saying he should have been held in a mental health facility to protect the public."

Apparently Holmes had made statements to his psych telling her that he fantasized about killing a lot of people.

If this is the case why in the world wouldn't she have done something? Do you think she is culpable?

Last Edited by geminilion on 01/16/2013 07:24 AM
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..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way."
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This has happened before, psychiatrist lost (warning: registration required to read article. May cause spam). I'm quoting this because it shows how difficult it can be to get an involuntary commitment:

[link to www.psychiatrictimes.com]
It was the spring of 1994 when Liptzin first encountered Wendell Williamson. The 26-year-old man was a student at the North Carolina Law School and was in the throes of a psychotic episode. He had disrupted a law school class proclaiming that he had telepathic powers. This brought him to the attention of the dean of students, who escorted Williamson to Liptzin's office for an emergency appointment. It was not the first psychotic break for the young man; a similar episode two years earlier had led to an attempt at civil commitment. He fought it tooth-and-nail, and involuntary treatment failed when a judge, on the information then available, ruled that Williamson was not dangerous. Despite this ominous past history, and the patient's almost total lack of insight into his mental disorder, Liptzin not only avoided a confrontation, but was able to establish a therapeutic alliance and achieve compliance in a regimen of appropriate antipsychotic medication.

Over six visits in the next several weeks, Williamson made a rapid social recovery. He went from his acute psychotic and disruptive condition to being stable enough to complete the spring semester. Judged by that result, most psychiatrists would conclude that Liptzin was a superb clinician. Paul Appelbaum, M.D., who reportedly looked into this case for the American Psychiatric Association, later would say on "60 Minutes" that Liptzin "did an exceptional job."

However, things started to go tragically wrong after Williamson completed that semester and his treatment with Liptzin ended. The patient stopped taking his medication and, over the next several months, grandiose, paranoid and somatic delusions proliferated and became entrenched. He believed, for example, that outside forces were painfully levitating the bone in the socket of his left shoulder. He began for the first time to think about violent retaliation against his persecutors. Eight months after he had last seen Liptzin, he acted on the plan he had rehearsed by shooting at trees on his grandparents' abandoned farm. Armed with a rifle and dressed in military camouflage, he went out into the streets of Chapel Hill, shot and killed two people, and seriously wounded a police officer before he could be stopped and arrested.


After starting, and then stopping, medication this shooter proceeded to prepare exactly like Holmes, interstingly enough:

[link to www.nytimes.com]

After the summer at home in 1994, Mr. Williamson returned to Chapel Hill that fall. His psychological deterioration resumed. In January, he carefully gathered hundreds of rounds of ammunition and prepared a backpack with items like rope and condoms to deal with any hostages he might end up with. Later he walked down Henderson Street here in Chapel Hill with the rifle he had brought back to school.
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Thanks for posting that Zeno. Is is reasonable to assume that if I was seeing a psych and talked about harming large numbers of people she might want to look into that a little further?

I know it's hard to commit someone but there has to be another alternative if a medical professional is unsure whether or not a patient has the intentions of harming people.

Could this tragedy have been stopped? And for people that think it was a set-up how does this fit into the story?
..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way."
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And yet another....

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..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way."
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I wonder how this will affect future lawsuits? It essentially makes doctors mandated reporters, right?

[link to www.weeklystandard.com]

Clarify that no federal law prevents health care providers from warning law enforcement authorities about threats of violence: Doctors and other mental health professionals play an important role in protecting the safety of their patients and the broader community by reporting direct and credible threats of violence to the authorities. But there is public confusion about whether federal law prohibits such reports about threats of violence. The Department of Health and Human Services is issuing a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits these reports in any way.
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that was my theory before this inmate confirmed it. why did that therapist give up a top post in the Air Force and move halfway across the country to counsel a handful of college kids?

conveniently she will never have to testify, because the drawings that James Holmes sent to this psychiatrist illustrating that he planned to kill people inexplicably sat in a mail room until after the shooting occurred.

phew! lucky break for our Air Force psychiatrist huh?
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heres the link to the story regarding the notebook sitting in the mailroom
[link to www.foxnews.com]
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Depending on what medication he was on, and how she advised him on follow up, the diaries may not be needed to establish negligence.

But who do we report, and when reported, who do we follow up on?

[link to www.theatlanticwire.com]

Her lawsuit claims that campus police offered to apprehend Holmes based on Fenton's warnings, but she "rejected the idea." But before we rush to blame Fenton for failing to let Holmes be taken into custody, we should consider that research shows as much as 47 percent of undergraduates have violent fantasies. Thirty percent of men report having violent thoughts frequently. Should every one of them who discuss such violent thoughts with their therapists be taken in by police?


In related news-Man stops anti depressants, throws puppy at hells angels:

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

The man drove up to a Hell's Angels clubhouse near Munich, wearing only a pair of shorts and carrying a puppy.

He dropped his shorts and threw the dog, escaping on a bulldozer from a nearby building site.

He was arrested later at home by police. The 26-year-old
is said to have stopped taking depression medication

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