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Breaking - hostage situation - 7 Americans, many other other Westerners taken HOSTAGE in Algerian gas complex, Algerian assault has began

 
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The Algerian Army will take care of business , them crazy ass soldiers have dealt with this kind of scum mofos before
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Islamists in N.Mali are experts in these things, read somewhere that they made more than $100 million since 2003 just from paid ransom.
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take a man hostage and you have a hostage. teach hom how to take hostages and you have a valuable business partner.
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Yep, believe it or not they have a business model, money then invested in weapons, drug and even modern slave trafficking with even more profits for them.
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oh i believe it
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And that's why Mali is important, could very easily become the Afghanistan of N.Africa and bring instability in the Med too. French got in without a certain plan, could turn to an endless ugly attrition warfare very easily, seems that French haven't thought this through.
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Islamists in N.Mali are experts in these things, read somewhere that they made more than $100 million since 2003 just from paid ransom.
 Quoting: insertfunnyusername


take a man hostage and you have a hostage. teach hom how to take hostages and you have a valuable business partner.
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Yep, believe it or not they have a business model, money then invested in weapons, drug and even modern slave trafficking with even more profits for them.
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oh i believe it
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This is a huge hostage/ ransom situation for money, as compared to some ideological terrorist action.

The kidnappers are motivated by profit and want to come out alive, rather than wanting to blow themselves up.

The Algerian nationals in captivity are not very valuable, unless the terrorists undertake to kill off a few of them to illustrate their willingness to kill the more 'valuable' Western hostages.

Terrorists which are motivated by profit are much easier to negotiate with than those motivated by ideology.

Even though Algeria is refusing to negotiate, we can be fairly certain that both Western governments and the oil company are in financial negotiations with the kidnappers -- even if for no other reason than to keep their hostages alive longer.
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BP says it believes the oil field being held by militants in a hostage situation is currently closed - @Reuters

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Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, has called the incident a "terrorist attack", while Victoria Nuland, the US state department's spokesman added:
Beyond confirming that there are Americans among the hostages, I will ask you to respect our decision not to get into any further details as we try to secure these people
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this is what it's all about:

The hostage takers in Algeria are demanding the release of 100 Islamist prisoners, who should be taken they say to the northern Mali border, according to a worker present at the gas plant.
"The hostage takers want 100 terrorists held in Algeria to be released in exchange for their hostages' release," he told AFP by phone. "The assailants have demanded these Islamists be driven to the North of Mali."
A spokesman for the Islamists told Mauritanian news agencies the attack was "in response to the flagrant interference of Algeria by authorising the use of its airspace by French planes to conduct raids against northern Mali".
It said the Algerian government's decision was "a betrayal of the blood of Algerian martyrs who fell under the bullet of the French colonialist".
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Leon Panetta, the US defence secretary, has called the incident a "terrorist attack", while Victoria Nuland, the US state department's spokesman added:
Beyond confirming that there are Americans among the hostages, I will ask you to respect our decision not to get into any further details as we try to secure these people
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UN personnel in Switzerland have told me "Obama is closely monitoring the situation"

Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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this is what it's all about:

The hostage takers in Algeria are demanding the release of 100 Islamist prisoners, who should be taken they say to the northern Mali border, according to a worker present at the gas plant.
"The hostage takers want 100 terrorists held in Algeria to be released in exchange for their hostages' release," he told AFP by phone. "The assailants have demanded these Islamists be driven to the North of Mali."
A spokesman for the Islamists told Mauritanian news agencies the attack was "in response to the flagrant interference of Algeria by authorising the use of its airspace by French planes to conduct raids against northern Mali".
It said the Algerian government's decision was "a betrayal of the blood of Algerian martyrs who fell under the bullet of the French colonialist".
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Interesting. The islamists also hold 3 Algerian diplomats since April.

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Arab spring results biting us in the ass now. I saw this coming.
And it will get worse,we are ALL going to get dragged into this shitstorm.
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Indeed
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Arab spring results biting us in the ass now. I saw this coming.
And it will get worse,we are ALL going to get dragged into this shitstorm.
 Quoting: northerntomcat 28083399


Indeed
 Quoting: anonimalle


wait until we hand over Syria to these same terrorists...
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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guns dont kill people. gas fields do
this place is my home, my mind still runs free, the DR's prescription, less for you and more for me.
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TESTIMONY EXCLUSIVE - Reached by phone, one of the people trapped on a site BP Amenas in Algeria Figaro described in the circumstances of the hostage.

"The terrorists said they had undermined the base." Reached by telephone, of the approximately 400 detainees at a site of gas Amenas, south-east of Algiers on the border with Libya, attacked in the night from Tuesday to Wednesday by an armed group, said that the attackers were also fitted with rocket launchers.

"They hold forty foreign hostages but we do not find all in one place," she says. Mauritanian Sahara Media sites and Nouakchott Information Agency also report 41 Western hostages, including 7 Americans, French, British and Japanese. After a tense morning, where several shots were fired, the kidnappers are now "calmer".

"Those who face hidden"
"They asked for water and food to sixty persons and instructed vehicles belonging to British Petroleum." A fighter reached by phone by AFP said that the attackers were members of al-Qaeda , from Mali. "We belong to the brigade Khaled Aboul Abbas, Mokhtar Belmokhtar," he said, recalling that Belmokhtar had "threatened to respond to any military intervention in Mali." According to the witness imprisoned hostages, the terrorists would have hoisted a flag on which is written "al katibat moulataamoun" (those who face hidden).


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Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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How much do you want to bet right now that the demand will be the release of the Blind Sheikh. That's what Benghazi was all about, until it went wrong.
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It will also be a way to remove American service personnel away from American shores for when the Great Gun Grab happens.
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" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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they are now announcing it as a terrorist attack on CNN
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sooooooo....
400 hostages and noone is armed?
in a hostile islamic country?
are there 400 terrorists there?
surely 400 hostages can fight off 6 terrorists, guns or no guns.
seriously. B FUCKEN P HAD NO ARMED SECURITY THERE?
its going to take 5 countries and their armies to "free"
these "hostages"?
this is such BS!!!!
BP WITH THEIR BAZILLIONS OF DOLLARS CANT PROTECT THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES?
this is complete bullshit.
fuck BP.
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48 hostage
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48 hostage
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How do you this coming to an end?, thanx for your imput-
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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48 hostage
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Algerians all freed?
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48 hostage
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Algerians all freed?
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Nope, all the employees are still in the plant, the westerners are chained, the Algerians are free inside the plant, but they can't leave though
Torchia was born in 1620. He was apprenticed in Leyden under the Elzevir family. After returning to Venice he published small works on philosophical and esoteric themes. In 1666, Torchia published De Umbrarum Regni Novem Portis (The Nine Doors to the Kingdom of Shadows), which was in turn based on the Delomelanicon, or Invocation of Darkness, a work supposedly written by Lucifer and that would allow the reader to summon devils. The Inquisition condemned Torchia for magic and witchcraft and burned him at the stake in 1667.
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sooooooo....
400 hostages and noone is armed?
in a hostile islamic country?
are there 400 terrorists there?
surely 400 hostages can fight off 6 terrorists, guns or no guns.
seriously. B FUCKEN P HAD NO ARMED SECURITY THERE?
its going to take 5 countries and their armies to "free"
these "hostages"?
this is such BS!!!!
BP WITH THEIR BAZILLIONS OF DOLLARS CANT PROTECT THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES?
this is complete bullshit.
fuck BP.
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SIXTY terrorists, not six tounge
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Easy peazy -

The US will send them an email outlining 23 or so different demands and conditions, most of which ambiguous until needed for their own favor, to condemn, classify, and disqualify them from being "terrorists", or any ability to take, purchase, or have in their possession any hostage - especially those appearing as military, "official" or may be scary.

Done deal - see how easy?

I all seriousness; prayers for all those involved.
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48 hostage
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Algerians all freed?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Nope, all the employees are still in the plant, the westerners are chained, the Algerians are free inside the plant, but they can't leave though
 Quoting: Aristide Torchia


if they can't leave, they're hostages too
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Sky Sources: At least five British citizens being held captive after attack on oil facility in Algeria
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Send in DEVGRU!
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Onward to North Africa we go.....
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48 hostage
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Algerians all freed?
 Quoting: Swinburnian


Nope, all the employees are still in the plant, the westerners are chained, the Algerians are free inside the plant, but they can't leave though
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Try to not get involved in foreign problems when you have you own problems. These are distractions. You need to focus your attention in the topics that currently are affecting your country, not at several thousands miles far away.
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who's to say they are "terrorists"?

I mean, how do you define a terrorist....?

Cause in this case it seems like there is a French backed government whom some people want to overthrow??

If the situation was reversed, as in Libya ie, those who want to overthrow the government wouldn't be called terrorist, but "freedom army".... whole the government would be called a "tyranny"

So everyone calling these people "terrorists" are bunch of sheep and hypocrites!!!
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Easy peazy -

The US will send them an email outlining 23 or so different demands and conditions, most of which ambiguous until needed for their own favor, to condemn, classify, and disqualify them from being "terrorists", or any ability to take, purchase, or have in their possession any hostage - especially those appearing as military, "official" or may be scary.

Done deal - see how easy?


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there you go, no problem too big for our fearless leader!!
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Next target of mass murder inc. MALI


No wonder the servicemen are killing themselves.
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This could be obamas second chance to free hostages, since Benghazi was a mess

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