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BREAKING! Attorneys to challenge constitutionality of NY gun control laws with class action law suit!!!ll!!

 
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By WKTV News

Story Created: Jan 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM EST

Story Updated: Jan 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM EST
BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - "Not so fast," says a Buffalo attorney who is challenging the legality and constitutionality of New York State's new gun control laws, believed by some to be the toughest in the nation.

Attorney James Tresmond says that in the next week or so, he will ask the Federal Court in Buffalo to enjoin the law, essentially keep it from going into effect, until federal court can examine and determine its constitutionality.

Tresmond is acting on his own, without financial compensation, although several attorneys throughout the state have signed on to help him with research and advancing the lawsuit.


[link to www.wktv.com]

The copy/paste below is from the NYS SCOPE website (near the middle of the
page). Please consider joining the class action lawsuit; it's free and also consider signing the Petition for Senator Marchione.

Time is of the essence to get as many NY firearms owners to join the litigation in this class action suit. The more people involved the greater the urgency for the Judiciary. So please forward this to every NY gun ownerthat you know (even if he's just an Elmer Fudd)!

Here is the copy/paste from SCOPE: [link to scopeny.org]

Lawyer : Jim Tresmond, Attorney in Buffalo, New York. Attorney phone is
716.202.4301
Successfully represented clients in the past, on Second Amendment issues in
NYS Supreme Court. This
case is pro-
bono for all the gun owners of New York. According to Mr. Tresmond, the new
ban is illegal as it is
an ex-facto law taking away previously owned property and he intends to file
this action in Federal
Court.
We are looking for as many as possible to add to CLASS ACTION CASE:

SEND Your Name and EMAIL ADDRESS and phone number to:

psacco1@twcny.rr.com

Petition #2, Senator Marchione petition to repeal the Cuomo Anti Second
Amendment Bill


SIGN KATHY'S PETITION TO REPEAL AND REPLACE RESTRICTIVE NEW GUN
CONTROL MEASURES THAT WILL WEAKEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
OF LAW-ABIDING NEW
YORKERS [link to www.nysenate.gov]

Last Edited by TheTruthNeverLies on 01/16/2013 10:25 PM
"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

-George Washington
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you think your fore fathers gave a shit when John Handcock Signed the declaration of independence with the largest signature? NO!! They WANTED them to know who is resisting them! Man up people!!
"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

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sorry but this needs a bump, us nyers will not roll over without a fight!
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"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

-George Washington
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"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples' liberty's teeth."

"Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."

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New Yawkers voted for Obama twice, now you all bitch!s226
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for the last time dipshit, NYC aint NYS

NYC is the libtard utopia. upstate NY is hardworking honest dairy farmers and middle class americans
SLAM THAT CLAM
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sorry but this needs a bump, us nyers will not roll over without a fight!
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Yes you will, look at your taxes
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for the last time dipshit, NYC aint NYS

NYC is the libtard utopia. upstate NY is hardworking honest dairy farmers and middle class americans
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Well, I grew up about 70 mi. east of Buffalo (area code 716), and many of the people I grew up with there are DEFINITELY Obama supporters.

Just saying..
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attorneys my ass u fucking yankees have the best in the world in NY where was they at ?

wtf wall street attorneys should have picked it apart
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Attorneys to challenge constitutionality of NY gun control laws
By WKTV News

Story Created: Jan 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM EST

Story Updated: Jan 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM EST
BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - "Not so fast," says a Buffalo attorney who is challenging the legality and constitutionality of New York State's new gun control laws, believed by some to be the toughest in the nation.

Attorney James Tresmond says that in the next week or so, he will ask the Federal Court in Buffalo to enjoin the law, essentially keep it from going into effect, until federal court can examine and determine its constitutionality.

Tresmond is acting on his own, without financial compensation, although several attorneys throughout the state have signed on to help him with research and advancing the lawsuit.


[link to www.wktv.com]

The copy/paste below is from the NYS SCOPE website (near the middle of the
page). Please consider joining the class action lawsuit; it's free and also consider signing the Petition for Senator Marchione.

Time is of the essence to get as many NY firearms owners to join the litigation in this class action suit. The more people involved the greater the urgency for the Judiciary. So please forward this to every NY gun ownerthat you know (even if he's just an Elmer Fudd)!

Here is the copy/paste from SCOPE: [link to scopeny.org]

Lawyer : Jim Tresmond, Attorney in Buffalo, New York. Attorney phone is
716.202.4301
Successfully represented clients in the past, on Second Amendment issues in
NYS Supreme Court. This
case is pro-
bono for all the gun owners of New York. According to Mr. Tresmond, the new
ban is illegal as it is
an ex-facto law taking away previously owned property and he intends to file
this action in Federal
Court.
We are looking for as many as possible to add to CLASS ACTION CASE:

SEND Your Name and EMAIL ADDRESS and phone number to:

psacco1@twcny.rr.com

Petition #2, Senator Marchione petition to repeal the Cuomo Anti Second
Amendment Bill


SIGN KATHY'S PETITION TO REPEAL AND REPLACE RESTRICTIVE NEW GUN
CONTROL MEASURES THAT WILL WEAKEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
OF LAW-ABIDING NEW
YORKERS [link to www.nysenate.gov]
 Quoting: TheTruthNeverLies

Awesome OP
Thanks for the heads up. This is how it's done.
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good way to get your namehiding
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you think your fore fathers gave a shit when John Handcock Signed the declaration of independence with the largest signature? NO!! They WANTED them to know who is resisting them! Man up people!!
 Quoting: TheTruthNeverLies


Exactly! Everyone I see here wants to be heard, yet when push comes to shove, they cower.. It a petition for goodness sake! What will you do if they show up at your door Yellow Belly!
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good way to get your namehiding
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If you live your life in fear like this, do you just expect someone else to fight for your rights on your behalf?

If everybody lived in fear like you, then no one would be fighting for the rights, and the rights would be lost.

Dont be a coward.
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any freedom lovers should flood the streets outside that courtroom, and demand freedom, liberty and justice for all.
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I am a New Yorker, and I signed.

tbh I think this is all expected. The law will be challenged, hopefully first on the grounds of whether it was legal to ram it through under "necessity" without the normal 3 days for discussion and for constituents to pressure their state legislators.

But if we get to an appeal on the merits, it runs all the way up to SCOTUS quickly. It will get on SCOTUS' calendar and there will be ruling. That ruling will say how much of NY's law is Constitutional.

And THEN Obama's forces will push Federal legislation, after SCOTUS has been induced to give them a map.
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Attorneys to challenge constitutionality of NY gun control laws
By WKTV News

Story Created: Jan 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM EST

Story Updated: Jan 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM EST
BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - "Not so fast," says a Buffalo attorney who is challenging the legality and constitutionality of New York State's new gun control laws, believed by some to be the toughest in the nation.

Attorney James Tresmond says that in the next week or so, he will ask the Federal Court in Buffalo to enjoin the law, essentially keep it from going into effect, until federal court can examine and determine its constitutionality.

Tresmond is acting on his own, without financial compensation, although several attorneys throughout the state have signed on to help him with research and advancing the lawsuit.


[link to www.wktv.com]

The copy/paste below is from the NYS SCOPE website (near the middle of the
page). Please consider joining the class action lawsuit; it's free and also consider signing the Petition for Senator Marchione.

Time is of the essence to get as many NY firearms owners to join the litigation in this class action suit. The more people involved the greater the urgency for the Judiciary. So please forward this to every NY gun ownerthat you know (even if he's just an Elmer Fudd)!

Here is the copy/paste from SCOPE: [link to scopeny.org]

Lawyer : Jim Tresmond, Attorney in Buffalo, New York. Attorney phone is
716.202.4301
Successfully represented clients in the past, on Second Amendment issues in
NYS Supreme Court. This
case is pro-
bono for all the gun owners of New York. According to Mr. Tresmond, the new
ban is illegal as it is
an ex-facto law taking away previously owned property and he intends to file
this action in Federal
Court.
We are looking for as many as possible to add to CLASS ACTION CASE:

SEND Your Name and EMAIL ADDRESS and phone number to:

psacco1@twcny.rr.com

Petition #2, Senator Marchione petition to repeal the Cuomo Anti Second
Amendment Bill


SIGN KATHY'S PETITION TO REPEAL AND REPLACE RESTRICTIVE NEW GUN
CONTROL MEASURES THAT WILL WEAKEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
OF LAW-ABIDING NEW
YORKERS [link to www.nysenate.gov]
 Quoting: TheTruthNeverLies



Uhhhhhh....NOOOO!

I am on the west coast SOCAL. For all I know there are mostly Liberal Wealthy Banker Wall Street Types Lobbyists Elitists DEMOCRATIC VOTERS GALORE there in NY.

Hell....if they brought a vote the Majority of those Federalists in New York would SURELY VOTE NO GUNS FOR THE PEASENTS.

I do feel sorrow and sadness for the common folk in New York whom would like Weapons for defense against Tyranny and Criminals.

Your thoughts ?

Sorry, but statewise...I dont think this Attorney has a pot to piss in on this case.
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for the last time dipshit, NYC aint NYS

NYC is the libtard utopia. upstate NY is hardworking honest dairy farmers and middle class americans
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i live just outside nyc and i didnt vote for any of these ass clowns, like your vote even matters anyway
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New Yawkers voted for Obama twice, now you all bitch!s226
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for the last time dipshit, NYC aint NYS

NYC is the libtard utopia. upstate NY is hardworking honest dairy farmers and middle class americans
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i live just outside nyc and i didnt vote for any of these ass clowns, like your vote even matters anyway
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Hi, whereabouts are you? I am in upper Westchester county.

Our conservative US Congresswoman was just replaced by a gay Democrat who didn't even live in the district. Supposedly we voted for this guy, I am pretty sure we didn't.
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Attorneys to challenge constitutionality of NY gun control laws
By WKTV News

Story Created: Jan 16, 2013 at 1:21 PM EST

Story Updated: Jan 16, 2013 at 4:13 PM EST
BUFFALO, N.Y. (WKTV) - "Not so fast," says a Buffalo attorney who is challenging the legality and constitutionality of New York State's new gun control laws, believed by some to be the toughest in the nation.

Attorney James Tresmond says that in the next week or so, he will ask the Federal Court in Buffalo to enjoin the law, essentially keep it from going into effect, until federal court can examine and determine its constitutionality.

Tresmond is acting on his own, without financial compensation, although several attorneys throughout the state have signed on to help him with research and advancing the lawsuit.


[link to www.wktv.com]

The copy/paste below is from the NYS SCOPE website (near the middle of the
page). Please consider joining the class action lawsuit; it's free and also consider signing the Petition for Senator Marchione.

Time is of the essence to get as many NY firearms owners to join the litigation in this class action suit. The more people involved the greater the urgency for the Judiciary. So please forward this to every NY gun ownerthat you know (even if he's just an Elmer Fudd)!

Here is the copy/paste from SCOPE: [link to scopeny.org]

Lawyer : Jim Tresmond, Attorney in Buffalo, New York. Attorney phone is
716.202.4301
Successfully represented clients in the past, on Second Amendment issues in
NYS Supreme Court. This
case is pro-
bono for all the gun owners of New York. According to Mr. Tresmond, the new
ban is illegal as it is
an ex-facto law taking away previously owned property and he intends to file
this action in Federal
Court.
We are looking for as many as possible to add to CLASS ACTION CASE:

SEND Your Name and EMAIL ADDRESS and phone number to:

psacco1@twcny.rr.com

Petition #2, Senator Marchione petition to repeal the Cuomo Anti Second
Amendment Bill


SIGN KATHY'S PETITION TO REPEAL AND REPLACE RESTRICTIVE NEW GUN
CONTROL MEASURES THAT WILL WEAKEN THE SECOND AMENDMENT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS
OF LAW-ABIDING NEW
YORKERS [link to www.nysenate.gov]
 Quoting: TheTruthNeverLies



Uhhhhhh....NOOOO!

I am on the west coast SOCAL. For all I know there are mostly Liberal Wealthy Banker Wall Street Types Lobbyists Elitists DEMOCRATIC VOTERS GALORE there in NY.

Hell....if they brought a vote the Majority of those Federalists in New York would SURELY VOTE NO GUNS FOR THE PEASENTS.

I do feel sorrow and sadness for the common folk in New York whom would like Weapons for defense against Tyranny and Criminals.

Your thoughts ?

Sorry, but statewise...I dont think this Attorney has a pot to piss in on this case.
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What you say makes no sense. The "peasants" in NY state get to vote you know ... and fyi most of the state (by area) is Republican. But the biggest cities, NYC, Buffalo and I'm sure Albany too, are Democrat. Sort of like California, I doubt Jerry Brown has massive support in the Central Valley, but he gets votes from the big dirty cities.
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for the last time dipshit, NYC aint NYS

NYC is the libtard utopia. upstate NY is hardworking honest dairy farmers and middle class americans
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I live in upstate NY and you couldn't be more wrong. There are some of what you describe but about half of of the population are lowclass poor trash with no virtue who prey on the system. NY is beautiful but it's people are not.
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I sent the following e-mail to communist Cuomo:
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Dear Cuomo,-The faithful follower to the “dear leader” communist ruler of our once great but currently beleaguered and failing nation drowning in debt,

Apparently you and your merry band of progressive “lawmakers” are hell bent upon enacting draconian gun control laws leaving honest citizens helpless while still doing nothing to curb all the violent gangs that infest this state.

Please consider grandfathering or at the very least give us honest taxpaying citizens a fair amount of time to vacate the welfare state of New York to places that still honor and uphold the Constitution of the United States.

We do not wish to infringe upon your giant leaps to create a government dependent population while pushing out the middle class and I believe you could successfully plead to “dear leader” for federal funding to keep the welfare state solvent.

Perhaps you should focus on far more important issues instead of clinging to the communist ideology of “dear leader” and gunrunner Eric Holder.

Since your laws will adversely impinge upon the rights of law abiding taxpayers expect another exodus out of the welfare state of New York.

Do not that the victims of Hurricane Sandy are your government dependent leftists who cried for food, water and even underwear while the victims Hurricane Irene that impacted upstate New York a year earlier saw residents band together to help themselves.

Your draconian gun laws will impact us self reliant people and there is no rational communication between communists and those of us who desire self reliance hence we will take the economic hit just to live free.

If need be we will donate our home to the town or state and you can use it for HUD housing and allow you to watch us leave your communist oppressive regime.
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MOLON LABE.

MOLON LABE.

MOLON LABE.

So they would have my name. I care why? I am no sunshine patriot. Give me Liberty or give me Death is not just a phrase.
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any freedom lovers should flood the streets outside that courtroom, and demand freedom, liberty and justice for all.
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And they need to be lawfully armed when they do it.
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good way to get your namehiding
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you think your fore fathers gave a shit when John Handcock Signed the declaration of independence with the largest signature? NO!! They WANTED them to know who is resisting them! Man up people!!
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Or better yet, Imagine standing next to the Butcher, Baker & Candle Stick maker (as part of the citizen militia) on the Lexington Green while facing down the world's strongest army. All the while knowing shots are gong to be fired at any time.

Anyone whose not willing to speak their mind to the face of government NOW will NOT resist them when 10 guys come to the door to disarm and or kill them. That's just a fact.
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good way to get your namehiding
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you think your fore fathers gave a shit when John Handcock Signed the declaration of independence with the largest signature? NO!! They WANTED them to know who is resisting them! Man up people!!
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Or better yet, Imagine standing next to the Butcher, Baker & Candle Stick maker (as part of the citizen militia) on the Lexington Green while facing down the world's strongest army. All the while knowing shots are gong to be fired at any time.

Anyone whose not willing to speak their mind to the face of government NOW will NOT resist them when 10 guys come to the door to disarm and or kill them. That's just a fact.
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Aren't you suppose to bury your guns before they do that? cruise

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MOLON LABE.

MOLON LABE.

MOLON LABE.

So they would have my name. I care why? I am no sunshine patriot. Give me Liberty or give me Death is not just a phrase.
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I'm all the way across the nation in Kalifornia and I am so proud of my brothers and sisters who stand against tyranny in New York.

We're there with you. We're suffering the same insanity by a group of despots who care only to further their political agenda and continue to try and control We, the people, instead of doing the work of the people.

I am no sunshine patriot. I will stand for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I will stand for Liberty.

I had literally just been reading Patrick Henry's speech before I saw this thread and read the words of AC above.

For those unfamiliar, here is some great reading to inspire those who may wonder about their future if they get "too involved."

If not you, then who? Will you leave the task of securing your liberty to another and deny that it is your own responsibility?

I give you,

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The question before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss.

Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging.

And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free — if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending — if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained — we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us.

Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable — and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace — but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!


Liberty, or death. Not one inch.

I will never be a slave to tyranny but rather die a free man.

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