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Hospital to stop delivering babies because of Obamacare

 
Childoflight
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With all the MRSA and other germs a hospital is really not a safe environment for a newborn. My opinion
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You are right and it is going to get worse!
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A normal uncomplicated pregnancy is not an illness....
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With all the MRSA and other germs a hospital is really not a safe environment for a newborn. My opinion
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You are right and it is going to get worse!
 Quoting: Childoflight 11299785


Labor and Delivery wards and specifically separated from patients and nurses that in contact with MRSA.

That being said, MRSA in the community has gone up to become a necessarily consideration for any infection that comes through the ED or outpatient office.

A midwife at the hospital with OB/GYN oversight is the best solution. I have seen too many women have failure to progress or have breech/leg presentations to feel comfortable not having an OB on call for complications.

Many hospitals use a midwife / OB combo. It only takes a few decelerations and a couple minutes of cord strangulation to give brain damage and cerebral palsy. Better to be in a monitored bed with people who can be available and whip the baby out in less than 5 minutes from Room -> OR -> BABY out from emergency c-section. That's right, a good hospital can identify an emergency situation and get the baby out in less than 5 minutes.
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Laws in certain states are different. I have a midwife and in Nebraska she cannot reside at a home delivery. She advises her moms to labor at home as long as possible to avoid unnecessary drugs though
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this is the worst time in history to have kids. unless your rich.
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I got a letter from my old dr. in Pittsburgh, the entire practice is shutting down! The dr's do not want to deal with it. Shame too, excellent group of ob/gyns! They were a part of UPMC the past few year, but were private for many many years before that. Dr. James Alonzo started it over 25 years ago.
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Just push it out.
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more dead "deliveries"
church of euthanasia.
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Women have been birthing babies without doctors but midwives for thousands of years. It's not a problem except for risky births.
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and womn have been dying in pregnancy and birth for many years.and the babies.mine would have died,she's now a midwife.let her go do a useless job then or get dss cash so they can afford a baby of thier own.
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This is part of the fundamental change of America he promised us.
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1)Doctors in the US work more hours than other doctors in other countries.
2)Doctors in the US are subject to lawsuits that are worse than any other country.

The average PCP makes about 120-140k a year. Their work hours are in the range of 60-80/week.

For the same amount of education + training, (4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3 years of internship+residency = 11 years), you can get a degree in another field and make more money per hour with less risk of law suits.

In the end, not everyone goes into medicine to make money and although there are fields that make a lot of money, i.e. neurosurgery or ortho spine fields - they also carry the most training and the most risk.

Doctor's salaries have been stagnant for several years and that's because doctors have been working more hours to maintain their pay.

However, more and more physicians can't take the overhead and are being employed by hospitals than can better absorb that overhead with their staff and offices.
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That could be due to the fact that the US has 75% of all lawyers on the planet.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this country loses 30% of our doctors...maybe more.

Take all that schooling for something else and make better pay with better hours.

Internship for doctors is basically slavery
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Cry me a river, other fields pay even worse. Doctors in the USA have the longest training anywhere, but also by far the highest pay.

What was REALLY needed was not the big Obamacare bureaucracy, but to lower payments to doctors and drug companies. That would have lowered healthcare costs. Everyone else (except gov't employees) is taking pay cuts.

But of course Obama used the crisis, not to fix the crisis, but as a lever to get his Communist system installed and very difficult to get rid of in the future. Once there are Electronic Health Records, can you undo it??
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1)Doctors in the US work more hours than other doctors in other countries.
2)Doctors in the US are subject to lawsuits that are worse than any other country.

The average PCP makes about 120-140k a year. Their work hours are in the range of 60-80/week.

For the same amount of education + training, (4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3 years of internship+residency = 11 years), you can get a degree in another field and make more money per hour with less risk of law suits.

In the end, not everyone goes into medicine to make money and although there are fields that make a lot of money, i.e. neurosurgery or ortho spine fields - they also carry the most training and the most risk.

Doctor's salaries have been stagnant for several years and that's because doctors have been working more hours to maintain their pay.

However, more and more physicians can't take the overhead and are being employed by hospitals than can better absorb that overhead with their staff and offices.
 Quoting: Sbert


That is a stupid amount of education considering the rest of the civilized world doesn't require an undergraduate degree before medical school
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wait..where's the minimum wage doctors?
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wait..where's the minimum wage doctors?
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Coming soon I suspect. :D
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If you don't think MRSA can be contracted by mothers and newborns in a hospital environment think again.....
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This problem will get much worse in years to come because the big pharmacy is not bringing new antibiotics to market and the hospitals are becoming deadlier by the minute!
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wait..where's the minimum wage doctors?
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Coming soon I suspect. :D
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That's 3 stitches and one gauze
,Would you like a flu shot with that? cruise

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WINDBER, Pa. (AP) — A southwestern Pennsylvania hospital will stop delivering babies after March 31 because its obstetricians are either leaving or refocusing their practices, and because hospital officials believe they can't afford it based on projected reimbursements under looming federal health care reforms.

Read more: [link to www.myfoxny.com]
 Quoting: waht


Yep, that and the cost of insurance for obstetricians. Nobody in their right mind would go into that field, the logical extension of which means that women will be on their own when it comes to having their babies and the maternal and infant mortality rate will go stratospheric.

All because so many people assumed that every pregnancy would be problem free and always result in perfect babies.

And if a perfect baby wasn't the result ....... The Doctor/insurance company got to pay and pay big. Insurance premiums go through the roof - exit Doctors.
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Laws in certain states are different. I have a midwife and in Nebraska she cannot reside at a home delivery. She advises her moms to labor at home as long as possible to avoid unnecessary drugs though
 Quoting: Gemini


Hell the drugs are the best part of it, why suffer unnecessarily?
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Mid wives anyone ?
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YES ABSOLUTELY!This just shows how the hospitals and obstetricians have been robbing the system!I am a retired physician so I do know what I am talking about!
 Quoting: Childoflight 5027962
So, you are saying that is what we should go back to?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32000830


That is how we do it

Midwifery is a 3 year course and then most babies are delivered this way here.

Not at hospitals with doctors

Unless you are super high risk
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32399175


If a Doctor can't afford the insurance premiums, why would a midwife fare any better?
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Already here... through sterilants in our food and water supply! My Husband and I would LOVE to give our daughter a sibling, but unfortunately I am completely sterile at only 22.... not supposed to be this way....

China's One-child policy coming to America.
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I believe many small community hospitals will close.
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What a great way of herding sheep into centralized population zones...

A dense population is easier to control...
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Re: Hospital to stop delivering babies because of Obamacare
Women have been birthing babies without doctors but midwives for thousands of years. It's not a problem except for risky births.
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You might want to look at the population statistics before you get all easy breezy on that one. The thing that kept the population so low was

1. Disease
2. Childbirth

It has always been a high risk activity, just look at some of the past records/history, in particular live births, maternal mortality figures before and after 1940.

That was about the time hospital births were gaining popularity over home births.
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Already here... through sterilants in our food and water supply! My Husband and I would LOVE to give our daughter a sibling, but unfortunately I am completely sterile at only 22.... not supposed to be this way....

China's One-child policy coming to America.
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Lets face it, something had to be done.
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Here's an article from 2009
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At the time of the article's publication, there was a HUGE decline in obstetrecians. The primary reason was lawsuits due to malpractice. In Obstetrics, a physician can be sued for the longest time, decades after a child's birth. Since a lot of cases never go to trial, but are settled out of court, then this severely spikes the cost of malpractice insurance. The insurance company feels that it's cheaper to settle than fight in many cases regardless if there's any guilt. While of course some are valid, many are not, but a jury is highly likely to find for the patient out of sympathy.

So we lost a huge number of physicians who specialized in delivering babies. That means that less trained docs must do it, and not only that, but there are fewer docs to deliver babies.

Why would a doc in their right mind go into a practice in which they know that they'll be slammed with too many patients, have an inadequate amount of staff, have a much larger chance of being sued, and pay much higher premiums? They don't. They go into other specialties that pay as much (or more) with less risk.

Think to your job. If you could be sued for what you do for what happened 20 years ago, and had to pay the insurance to protect youself, would you be able to manage your bills?

Should docs be responsible for their patients? SURE. That's not the question. It's a question of making the system better, but you can't do that while being slammed with patients with less staff to care for them. It's nonsensical.

Now we enact Obamacare. We add millions to the rolls of patients. Of course we didn't create a commensurate amount of medical staff and docs, did we?

So how the heck are we going to take care of all of these babies and moms?

Wait, it gets worse. A doc sends a bill to the insurance company. If it's Medicare or Medicaid, then the federal government negotiates a settlement. That's right, they pay LESS than the bill, often 75cents on the dollar. In addition, if the doc sends a bill to a regular insurace company, the same 75% rate is the average.

What would you do, if your boss changed your paycheck by cutting out 1/4 of it? With that kind of loss in pay, would the amount you make pay your bills.

Imagine in business that you lost that kind of money. Seldom do businesses add that kind of markup on top of the bill. They're lucky to add 10% over costs: employees and benefits and supplies and rents and then add 10% so they keep the place running. Cut 25% off and most businesses would be insolvent.

There was a crude expression when I was a young man. PFM Pure fooking magic. I guess we need some of that, because I don't see it working out.

It will result in a higher infant mortality rate, but the USA is already among the worst industrialized countries for that.

The idea was noble, give all of the people healthcare. Who could vote against that? No one on an emotional level. But heck, how about we create some people to actually treat them? It's a FARCE.

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It's going to be interesting how midwives are going to perform c-sections.
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there are too many ceasareans as it is.
 Quoting: new & improved


Too many fat babies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32397889


Too many bitches worried about a stretched out vag.
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Internship for doctors is basically slavery
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Internship for a lot of jobs is basically slavery.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this country loses 30% of our doctors...maybe more.

Take all that schooling for something else and make better pay with better hours.

Internship for doctors is basically slavery
 Quoting: TDJ


Cry me a river, other fields pay even worse. Doctors in the USA have the longest training anywhere, but also by far the highest pay.

What was REALLY needed was not the big Obamacare bureaucracy, but to lower payments to doctors and drug companies. That would have lowered healthcare costs. Everyone else (except gov't employees) is taking pay cuts.

But of course Obama used the crisis, not to fix the crisis, but as a lever to get his Communist system installed and very difficult to get rid of in the future. Once there are Electronic Health Records, can you undo it??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32259756


1)Doctors in the US work more hours than other doctors in other countries.
2)Doctors in the US are subject to lawsuits that are worse than any other country.

The average PCP makes about 120-140k a year. Their work hours are in the range of 60-80/week.

For the same amount of education + training, (4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3 years of internship+residency = 11 years), you can get a degree in another field and make more money per hour with less risk of law suits.

In the end, not everyone goes into medicine to make money and although there are fields that make a lot of money, i.e. neurosurgery or ortho spine fields - they also carry the most training and the most risk.

Doctor's salaries have been stagnant for several years and that's because doctors have been working more hours to maintain their pay.

However, more and more physicians can't take the overhead and are being employed by hospitals than can better absorb that overhead with their staff and offices.
 Quoting: Sbert


So the gist of what you're saying, is that if we paid Doctors less, the hospitals could afford more of them and they wouldn't be so over-worked?

Seconded.
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It's going to be interesting how midwives are going to perform c-sections.
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there are too many ceasareans as it is.
 Quoting: new & improved


Too many fat babies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32397889


Too many bitches worried about a stretched out vag.
 Quoting: Debauchery


There are such things as emergency cesareans you know, not everyone does it for vanity.
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I wouldn't be surprised if this country loses 30% of our doctors...maybe more.

Take all that schooling for something else and make better pay with better hours.

Internship for doctors is basically slavery
 Quoting: TDJ


Cry me a river, other fields pay even worse. Doctors in the USA have the longest training anywhere, but also by far the highest pay.

What was REALLY needed was not the big Obamacare bureaucracy, but to lower payments to doctors and drug companies. That would have lowered healthcare costs. Everyone else (except gov't employees) is taking pay cuts.

But of course Obama used the crisis, not to fix the crisis, but as a lever to get his Communist system installed and very difficult to get rid of in the future. Once there are Electronic Health Records, can you undo it??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32259756


1)Doctors in the US work more hours than other doctors in other countries.
2)Doctors in the US are subject to lawsuits that are worse than any other country.

The average PCP makes about 120-140k a year. Their work hours are in the range of 60-80/week.

For the same amount of education + training, (4 years college, 4 years medical school, 3 years of internship+residency = 11 years), you can get a degree in another field and make more money per hour with less risk of law suits.

In the end, not everyone goes into medicine to make money and although there are fields that make a lot of money, i.e. neurosurgery or ortho spine fields - they also carry the most training and the most risk.

Doctor's salaries have been stagnant for several years and that's because doctors have been working more hours to maintain their pay.

However, more and more physicians can't take the overhead and are being employed by hospitals than can better absorb that overhead with their staff and offices.
 Quoting: Sbert


So the gist of what you're saying, is that if we paid Doctors less, the hospitals could afford more of them and they wouldn't be so over-worked?

Seconded.
 Quoting: CleverMoniker 19931300


How about if you pay doctors less, then there aren't going to be any doctors. That is the issue in Canada you dumbass, you should know this. Most of our newly trained doctors head to the States instead of staying here as the pay is better and after 11 years, I would want quite a large amount of money. No one is going to go through all that bullshit for a mediocre pay check, even for 7 years. Instead of cutting back the wages of someone who will one day save your life cut back those of politicians and shitty programs such as "Bilingualism" up here. I can truly say that you must be a paid shill.
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there are too many ceasareans as it is.
 Quoting: new & improved


Too many fat babies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32397889


Too many bitches worried about a stretched out vag.
 Quoting: Debauchery


There are such things as emergency cesareans you know, not everyone does it for vanity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24909641


I wasn't referring to women that NEED it.

Celebrities are a good example of women that don't need them but choose to do so based on vanity.
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