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Baking soda as deodorant.....which brand?

 
Don'tBeAfraid

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great thread... i've been starting to lean towards getting off all the chemical crap that MSM says is good for you cause "everyone does it"

just started using baking soda and by reading this thread have learned many other uses for it.

also it is interesting that your body will not have bad odor if you don't eat meat and sugar... will be giving that a try as well!

thanks

-josh
 Quoting: Paradise Havona


Hold that thought. When you begin to fast from meat and sugar, then often the body will attempt to excrete toxins that may have built up in the body. As such, some people actually experience a change in body odor for a short period of time, usually days, and then a change to not having the same intensity of body odor. This is most often experienced when doing a straight fruit and vegetable diet of several days duration.
See:
[link to blog.medfriendly.com]

It doesn't happen to everyone, but I know it happens because I once encountered someone that it happened to, as well as some copious sweating during that window of time. It's only a few days.

Since sweat has no smell, it's a function of a change in the bacteria(kind), or the bacteria count (how much).

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I find that if you don't eat meat and go without the putrid rotting animal flesh in your intestines, you won't stink and even need the deodorant in the first place.
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Wait a minute....sweat has no smell?

I thought sweat was 10% urine (or urea)

I have definitely licked my shoulder when exercising in a hot summer sun, and it has a definite light salt flavor.
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Wait a minute....sweat has no smell?

I thought sweat was 10% urine (or urea)

I have definitely licked my shoulder when exercising in a hot summer sun, and it has a definite light salt flavor.
 Quoting: The Sonic Dreamer

Normal sweat has no scent. Yes, it has salt(sodium chloride). The body attempts to excrete salt, but take in potassium in the sodium/potassium intracellular pump. That's complex, and I'll spare you the details. We need salt, but most people get too much, and so some is liberated by sweating. It's removed in other ways too but lets not discuss physiology.


High salt makes the body retain water. It therefore increases blood pressure. Someone who's eating a lot of salt, and has high blood pressure, might experience more salt loss upon exertion as the body attempts to deal with the situation and expel the primary cause of the high BP.

[link to blogs.webmd.com]

What is urea? You eat proteins. They are made of amino acids. Amines are the tail ends of amino acids. Your kidneys combine amines to form ammonia (urea) and then excretes it. If you didn't eat a lot of protein, then your pee would be very light in color since there's little urea in your urine. That can happen as a function of being well hydrated or dehydrated too, because of conceration of urine (less water=darker pee and vice versa).

As previously stated, if you eat a ton of meat, well it contains a ton of amino acids, right? More urea will be created. A meat like a sausage or bacon contains high salt and amino acids and will usually create more metabolic wastes that will be excreted both through the urine and as urea in the sweat. That may also cause body odor from bacteria. It depends upon the person, their metabolism, hygiene, hydration, etc.

Some urea comes out as sweat. Pee if well hydrated won't have much of an odor. In fact if it does, you have a bacteria infection which is bad because the kidneys and urinary bladder are supposed to be a sterile area.

For an athlete, or in a collapse when people are doing a lot of work, then your electrolytes (most importantly sodium and potassium) are lost in sweat. If that happens in excess, then the body can lose so much as to induce shock.
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For preppers, storing salt is vital since they don't live near the sea and hence can't easily acquire it in nature. In addition salt contains Iodine which has been added. See my sig for two ways to acquire both.

Because sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) cannot be made by a prepper, and is so useful, one should judiciously use it in a collapse. You'd use other things as I listed above, to control body odor.

In regular times, the salt in baking soda changes the pH under your arms AND introduces sodium and chloride to the area. Why? The chemical bonds between baking soda are ionic which is broken by water. Those components kill bacteria too.

Most people find vinegar to be a good solution (little pun) to body odor. The vinegar initially has a smell, but goes away, works all day, and is cheap.

A lot of antiperspirants contain aluminum. We think that this is a component to Alzheimer's Disease. More study is needed. As such, people SHOULDN'T use products that introduce aluminum in the body.

Some folks use a salt crystal to do this task, but some of those contain aluminum, so that's actually not helpful too.
[link to soundearth.com] Alum in those crystals is aluminum sulfate

Use vinegar.
[link to www.vinegar-home-remedies.com]

You see how much science is in medicine? Biochemistry, physiology, nutrition, anatomy, tons of stuff.

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the one without additives, no aluminium and stuff.

maybe you want to try this link

[link to wholenewmom.com]


I am using baking powder for 2 years now as deodorant, works perfekt. just apply some after showering to your still wet arm pits.


btw, using it as tooth paste is ok,too. just don´t scrub to hard (but you shouldn´t do that anyway), goes best with some other natural (if you can´t find one in stores, look for it in Indian shops) or self made toothpaste and a "ultra sound tooth brush".
Talked about the "abrasive effect" of it with my dentist, he sees no negative effect on my tooth enamels.
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phoe, try a water pik too. I think you'll find it really cuts down on the dental bills. People don't understand that the bacteria Strep mutans that is in tooth decay is actually a primary cause of heart disease. Using the jet of water is vastly superior to flossing and cheap, but don't swallow that water.
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 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid


thx, but i tried a water pik years before - i hated it and always had the feeling i "inject" the dirt depper in the gum instead of getting it out.
i stay with the usual dental floss and oil-pulling afterwards.
i am lucky, my teeth are very good (and always were), i only see the dentist twice a year for checking on them.
maybe that´s why i like going to the dentist ;)
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thx, but i tried a water pik years before - i hated it and always had the feeling i "inject" the dirt depper in the gum instead of getting it out.
i stay with the usual dental floss and oil-pulling afterwards.
i am lucky, my teeth are very good (and always were), i only see the dentist twice a year for checking on them.
maybe that´s why i like going to the dentist ;)
 Quoting: phoenixe


I think, most delicious phoe that I'll answer any question or comment you produce, just to see those dark captivating eyes of yours.

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If anyone gets red, leathery armpits from using baking soda, consider the following;


"...Anonymous said...
The dark red leathery reaction from using baking soda is most likely a fungal infection. The baking soda changes the PH of your skin under your arm and affects the bacteria that normally keep the naturally occuring fungii in check. Without the bacteria the fungii take over and the infection spreads very quickly. Most likely it is a type of yeast infection. A yeast infection is counteracted by vinegar, but beware, vinegar and baking soda react together as an acid and a base.
December 27, 2012 at 3:52 PM

Lise M Andersen said...
Hi Anonymous - I'm having a hard time agreeing with you. I think a better solution all around to having a rash or any kind of skin reaction to DIY baking soda deodorant is to find an alternative deodorant.
December 27, 2012 at 5:26 PM

Anonymous said...
I agree that with such a reaction it is better to find an alternate deodorant. People should understand though that the resulting rash is most likely a fungal infection and not a reaction to a chemical irritant. Sodium bicarbonate changes the PH of the underarm area which effectively limits the BO producing bacteria, but has the unfortunate side effect of allowing fungi to thrive. In the majority of people this is the candida albicans fungus that can be treated with certain fungicides like the active ingredient in Lotrimin. But to assume it is just an irritation and leave it untreated result in a rash that spreads or lasts for weeks or months.

It is no wonder the industry does not offer an effective over the counter deodorant because the only effective way is to kill the bacteria that produces BO, and the result is that fungi and other infections can spread in the absence of this bacteria. So the industry only offers neutral solutions, like aluminum-based deodorants, which are marginally effective at controlling wetness but do nothing to kill the BO-causing bacteria; and they offer strong-scented products to mask the smell, which we all know is ineffective as well, and offensive in its own way.
December 27, 2012 at 8:19 PM

Lise M Andersen said...
hi anonymous
Candida albicans is usually occuring in moister environs such as the oral or genital regions. I've never heard of this in the underarm area. Find more info on this here: [link to m.netdoctor.co.uk]

As to your comments on whether or not the industry offers useful and functioning deodorants to stop body odor, I'm not sure I can agree with you here either. I think the main complaint people have with industry made deodorants is their content of certain specific ingredients (like aluminum) that have been targeted by scaremongers. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying industry made deodorants are perfect (if I thought that, I wouldn't have spent so many years developing my own), but I'm pretty sure they are overall effective at deodorizing.
December 27, 2012 at 9:24 PM

Anonymous said...
Candida is naturally-occurring in the armpit, though more commonly identified in the groin area and as a result an underarm rash is often mis-diagnosed as an abrasion rash (due to shaving) or a reaction to a certain chemical in a deodorant. What happens with baking soda is that the higher pH of the chemical tends to remove the acid sheath (low pH) on the surface of the skin and it kills the bacteria that keeps the fungi in check. This commonly results in cutaneous candidiasis, which is the rapid spread of the candida fungus on the underarm. Telltale signs of a candida albicans infection of the underarm include: dark red leathery or velvety area, defined border of small bumps and possibly larger lesions; rash scales over significantly after a few days; itch comes in waves and can be severe on the level of chicken pox or poison ivy; excessive flaking off of skin which can result in wound-type small areas that "weep"; an unusual smell that is different from your typical BO; once the rash clears and heals (typically a couple of weeks with anti fungal treatment) the skin remains brownish for up to 4-6 weeks. To treat and prevent recurrence you should eliminate the fungi, stop using products which change the pH of your skin, take care to avoid irritation and treat any skin breaks to avoid a secondary bacterial infection. Clotrimazole (the active ingredient in Lotrimin) is an effective anti-fungal and usually relatively mild on the skin. Vinegar also is effective though can be irritating to sensitive skin and you smell like a salad bar. Cortisone creams can be effective for itch. Loose clothing will allow the rash to heal more quickly. Try not to scratch hard as the sensitive skin, especially around the edges, can break easily. The rash can spread to other parts of the body, in particular the groin. Typically showering will spread the fungi as soap and water does not effectively kill fungi. You should act quickly to treat and prevent its spread as if left untreated and your immune system does not naturally control it, it can spread internally as well and cause significant complications. Baking soda is an effective deodorant, but unfortunately has more serious side effects in the majority of people. The rash descriptions here and in other similar threads are representative of this fungal infection.
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Try brushing your teeth with coconut oil, it's amazing! You will notice a big difference the very first time.

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