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need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a

 
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need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
i have 500-600 for a combo amp that sounds good playing the low notes, and ideally one that i can connect into ableton via usb.

also a pedal good for playing that low.

anyone have any suggestions?

been reading reviews for 3 hours and watching u tube clips, and am still completely undecided.

thanks!
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Once you start getting that low your really not asking for much tonality within your amp, it becomes more important towards your guitar...Personally for me the idea of tuning that low defeats the instrument itself, if you want to hit that low of frequency I'm pretty sure that's what they make basses for. But research more into Baritone guitars, if not then crank the mids, hard...
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Once you start getting that low your really not asking for much tonality within your amp, it becomes more important towards your guitar...Personally for me the idea of tuning that low defeats the instrument itself, if you want to hit that low of frequency I'm pretty sure that's what they make basses for. But research more into Baritone guitars, if not then crank the mids, hard...
 Quoting: General Lee




thank you for the response, im pretty the band korn would disagree with you, but thanks none the less.

i am looking into the fender mustang 4, mostly cuz i read good reviews and it comes with fender fuse software that i can use with ableton, fingers crossed!
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01/19/2013 10:03 AM
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
For a pedal try the Tech 21 U.S. Metal (or U.S. Steel). It doesn't have USB but is analog and sounds really good direct for recording. rockon
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01/19/2013 10:07 AM

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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
You might consider a bi-amp system with a crossover.
A couple of pedal steel players here use them for the lows..
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01/19/2013 10:09 AM
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Dude a spyder or a Randal.
If you get a spyder you wont need a pedal, If you want a processor I would go with Zoom or Digitech.
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
For a pedal try the Tech 21 U.S. Metal (or U.S. Steel). It doesn't have USB but is analog and sounds really good direct for recording. rockon
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im gonna need something to actually use when playing with other people, as well as recording. but that does look like a nifty toy!
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
You might consider a bi-amp system with a crossover.
A couple of pedal steel players here use them for the lows..
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that sounds complicated for little old me. what would i type into you tube to see this setup?
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Dude a spyder or a Randal.
If you get a spyder you wont need a pedal, If you want a processor I would go with Zoom or Digitech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



i have a digitech rp 155 pedal, i just find it so abrasive. i find it abrasive in ableton and i used it with a marshall amp, and mmy low tued guitar, messed around with the pedal settings for way too long, and it was still so abrasive
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Dude a spyder or a Randal.
If you get a spyder you wont need a pedal, If you want a processor I would go with Zoom or Digitech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



i have a digitech rp 155 pedal, i just find it so abrasive. i find it abrasive in ableton and i used it with a marshall amp, and mmy low tued guitar, messed around with the pedal settings for way too long, and it was still so abrasive
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Dude for drop you definitely want a spyder there are presets for Meshuggah Slipknot and Tool. Zoom is a really good processor, that's what I used to use when playing math metal that with the spyder is a beautiful combo.
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Dude a spyder or a Randal.
If you get a spyder you wont need a pedal, If you want a processor I would go with Zoom or Digitech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



i have a digitech rp 155 pedal, i just find it so abrasive. i find it abrasive in ableton and i used it with a marshall amp, and mmy low tued guitar, messed around with the pedal settings for way too long, and it was still so abrasive
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Dude for drop you definitely want a spyder there are presets for Meshuggah Slipknot and Tool. Zoom is a really good processor, that's what I used to use when playing math metal that with the spyder is a beautiful combo.
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ahhh! i will look into this, thank you!
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Dude a spyder or a Randal.
If you get a spyder you wont need a pedal, If you want a processor I would go with Zoom or Digitech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



i have a digitech rp 155 pedal, i just find it so abrasive. i find it abrasive in ableton and i used it with a marshall amp, and mmy low tued guitar, messed around with the pedal settings for way too long, and it was still so abrasive
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Dude for drop you definitely want a spyder there are presets for Meshuggah Slipknot and Tool. Zoom is a really good processor, that's what I used to use when playing math metal that with the spyder is a beautiful combo.
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u must mean a line 6, yes?
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
You might consider a bi-amp system with a crossover.
A couple of pedal steel players here use them for the lows..
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that sounds complicated for little old me. what would i type into you tube to see this setup?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Mmm.. dunno about utube..
The crossover works with two cabs.
An example would be a two-ten cab on top and a separate cab with a 12 or 15 on the bottom.
The range in which the crossover would switch would be controllable to your taste. No pedal required.
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Dude a spyder or a Randal.
If you get a spyder you wont need a pedal, If you want a processor I would go with Zoom or Digitech.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



i have a digitech rp 155 pedal, i just find it so abrasive. i find it abrasive in ableton and i used it with a marshall amp, and mmy low tued guitar, messed around with the pedal settings for way too long, and it was still so abrasive
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Dude for drop you definitely want a spyder there are presets for Meshuggah Slipknot and Tool. Zoom is a really good processor, that's what I used to use when playing math metal that with the spyder is a beautiful combo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


u must mean a line 6, yes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Yeah specifically a Spyder though I think that's how its spelled. They are amazing.
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01/19/2013 10:41 AM
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that you should spend a little to get your guitar set up for drop a to save you a future headache. Shouldn't cost much and its well worth it seeing as its a fucking asshole of a trouble.
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
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i have a digitech rp 155 pedal, i just find it so abrasive. i find it abrasive in ableton and i used it with a marshall amp, and mmy low tued guitar, messed around with the pedal settings for way too long, and it was still so abrasive
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Dude for drop you definitely want a spyder there are presets for Meshuggah Slipknot and Tool. Zoom is a really good processor, that's what I used to use when playing math metal that with the spyder is a beautiful combo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


u must mean a line 6, yes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Yeah specifically a Spyder though I think that's how its spelled. They are amazing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



sweet thanks for the heads up. i notice it doesnt have usb, unless i get the footswitch, than i can hook it up to my computer, thanks ill go try this one out!

appreciate it!
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Oh yeah I forgot to mention that you should spend a little to get your guitar set up for drop a to save you a future headache. Shouldn't cost much and its well worth it seeing as its a fucking asshole of a trouble.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


oh ya i did this, they put a heavy guage set of strings on, and did something in the back inside, i forget what, but the strings dont bounce around at all, nice and tight!
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Dude for drop you definitely want a spyder there are presets for Meshuggah Slipknot and Tool. Zoom is a really good processor, that's what I used to use when playing math metal that with the spyder is a beautiful combo.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


u must mean a line 6, yes?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Yeah specifically a Spyder though I think that's how its spelled. They are amazing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435



sweet thanks for the heads up. i notice it doesnt have usb, unless i get the footswitch, than i can hook it up to my computer, thanks ill go try this one out!

appreciate it!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


I'm pretty sure the spider is set up to where you can plug straight in with a USB, also the Zoom pedal has a USB port for recording.
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Once you start getting that low your really not asking for much tonality within your amp, it becomes more important towards your guitar...Personally for me the idea of tuning that low defeats the instrument itself, if you want to hit that low of frequency I'm pretty sure that's what they make basses for. But research more into Baritone guitars, if not then crank the mids, hard...
 Quoting: General Lee




thank you for the response, im pretty the band korn would disagree with you, but thanks none the less.

i am looking into the fender mustang 4, mostly cuz i read good reviews and it comes with fender fuse software that i can use with ableton, fingers crossed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


The band korn also uses 7 string guitars, which you did not specify to me which guitar you were gonna be using, I gave my advice based on you still using a 6 string, if using a 7 string Drop A tuning that korn uses is only a step down from the top string B to A, not 3 and a half. The band korn also uses lots of distortion on their bass track, to make up for their lack of tonality. If you take a 6 string and want to drop it that low getting thicker strings won't do the job alone, you will have to attempt to re tune your guitars intonation, otherwise what you play on frets 3-0 will sound good, 8-24 will be untuned..
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Once you start getting that low your really not asking for much tonality within your amp, it becomes more important towards your guitar...Personally for me the idea of tuning that low defeats the instrument itself, if you want to hit that low of frequency I'm pretty sure that's what they make basses for. But research more into Baritone guitars, if not then crank the mids, hard...
 Quoting: General Lee




thank you for the response, im pretty the band korn would disagree with you, but thanks none the less.

i am looking into the fender mustang 4, mostly cuz i read good reviews and it comes with fender fuse software that i can use with ableton, fingers crossed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


The band korn also uses 7 string guitars, which you did not specify to me which guitar you were gonna be using, I gave my advice based on you still using a 6 string, if using a 7 string Drop A tuning that korn uses is only a step down from the top string B to A, not 3 and a half. The band korn also uses lots of distortion on their bass track, to make up for their lack of tonality. If you take a 6 string and want to drop it that low getting thicker strings won't do the job alone, you will have to attempt to re tune your guitars intonation, otherwise what you play on frets 3-0 will sound good, 8-24 will be untuned..
 Quoting: General Lee


Line 6 Spyders have a Korn setting also.
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Once you start getting that low your really not asking for much tonality within your amp, it becomes more important towards your guitar...Personally for me the idea of tuning that low defeats the instrument itself, if you want to hit that low of frequency I'm pretty sure that's what they make basses for. But research more into Baritone guitars, if not then crank the mids, hard...
 Quoting: General Lee




thank you for the response, im pretty the band korn would disagree with you, but thanks none the less.

i am looking into the fender mustang 4, mostly cuz i read good reviews and it comes with fender fuse software that i can use with ableton, fingers crossed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


The band korn also uses 7 string guitars, which you did not specify to me which guitar you were gonna be using, I gave my advice based on you still using a 6 string, if using a 7 string Drop A tuning that korn uses is only a step down from the top string B to A, not 3 and a half. The band korn also uses lots of distortion on their bass track, to make up for their lack of tonality. If you take a 6 string and want to drop it that low getting thicker strings won't do the job alone, you will have to attempt to re tune your guitars intonation, otherwise what you play on frets 3-0 will sound good, 8-24 will be untuned..
 Quoting: General Lee


cheers dude!
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
Once you start getting that low your really not asking for much tonality within your amp, it becomes more important towards your guitar...Personally for me the idea of tuning that low defeats the instrument itself, if you want to hit that low of frequency I'm pretty sure that's what they make basses for. But research more into Baritone guitars, if not then crank the mids, hard...
 Quoting: General Lee




thank you for the response, im pretty the band korn would disagree with you, but thanks none the less.

i am looking into the fender mustang 4, mostly cuz i read good reviews and it comes with fender fuse software that i can use with ableton, fingers crossed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


The band korn also uses 7 string guitars, which you did not specify to me which guitar you were gonna be using, I gave my advice based on you still using a 6 string, if using a 7 string Drop A tuning that korn uses is only a step down from the top string B to A, not 3 and a half. The band korn also uses lots of distortion on their bass track, to make up for their lack of tonality. If you take a 6 string and want to drop it that low getting thicker strings won't do the job alone, you will have to attempt to re tune your guitars intonation, otherwise what you play on frets 3-0 will sound good, 8-24 will be untuned..
 Quoting: General Lee


Line 6 Spyders have a Korn setting also.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


your suggestion had me going into you tube nad there seems to be a battle between Line 6 - Spider IV 150, and the Peavey Vypyr 100. ill probably have to go try both of these out.

thanks again, up until this thread, i was in between a fender and a marshall, now im in between a peavey and line 6. how things have changed!
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
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thank you for the response, im pretty the band korn would disagree with you, but thanks none the less.

i am looking into the fender mustang 4, mostly cuz i read good reviews and it comes with fender fuse software that i can use with ableton, fingers crossed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


The band korn also uses 7 string guitars, which you did not specify to me which guitar you were gonna be using, I gave my advice based on you still using a 6 string, if using a 7 string Drop A tuning that korn uses is only a step down from the top string B to A, not 3 and a half. The band korn also uses lots of distortion on their bass track, to make up for their lack of tonality. If you take a 6 string and want to drop it that low getting thicker strings won't do the job alone, you will have to attempt to re tune your guitars intonation, otherwise what you play on frets 3-0 will sound good, 8-24 will be untuned..
 Quoting: General Lee


Line 6 Spyders have a Korn setting also.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


your suggestion had me going into you tube nad there seems to be a battle between Line 6 - Spider IV 150, and the Peavey Vypyr 100. ill probably have to go try both of these out.

thanks again, up until this thread, i was in between a fender and a marshall, now im in between a peavey and line 6. how things have changed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Peaveys are very good but I personally think they don't have enough high range they feel sandbagged, if you are looking for something like a Peavey that isn't held back I would suggest a Randal.
What kind of guitar are you playing this can help me help you find the right rig, Randals are a perfect match with Fenders and Washburnes for newer styles of metal, Spyders go amazingly with Ibanez and Fenders, Kustoms are perfect for Gibsons and B.C. Rich and other Japanese guitars, Peavey works well with Jacksons and Deans, Marshall are fucking shitty and generic sounding but they are real good for getting that cheesy 80s sound out of a Gibson or a Fender
Honestly the best for metal is Krank but they are way the fuck out of your price range the smallest ones are close to 2 grand.
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The band korn also uses 7 string guitars, which you did not specify to me which guitar you were gonna be using, I gave my advice based on you still using a 6 string, if using a 7 string Drop A tuning that korn uses is only a step down from the top string B to A, not 3 and a half. The band korn also uses lots of distortion on their bass track, to make up for their lack of tonality. If you take a 6 string and want to drop it that low getting thicker strings won't do the job alone, you will have to attempt to re tune your guitars intonation, otherwise what you play on frets 3-0 will sound good, 8-24 will be untuned..
 Quoting: General Lee


Line 6 Spyders have a Korn setting also.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


your suggestion had me going into you tube nad there seems to be a battle between Line 6 - Spider IV 150, and the Peavey Vypyr 100. ill probably have to go try both of these out.

thanks again, up until this thread, i was in between a fender and a marshall, now im in between a peavey and line 6. how things have changed!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29851521


Peaveys are very good but I personally think they don't have enough high range they feel sandbagged, if you are looking for something like a Peavey that isn't held back I would suggest a Randal.
What kind of guitar are you playing this can help me help you find the right rig, Randals are a perfect match with Fenders and Washburnes for newer styles of metal, Spyders go amazingly with Ibanez and Fenders, Kustoms are perfect for Gibsons and B.C. Rich and other Japanese guitars, Peavey works well with Jacksons and Deans, Marshall are fucking shitty and generic sounding but they are real good for getting that cheesy 80s sound out of a Gibson or a Fender
Honestly the best for metal is Krank but they are way the fuck out of your price range the smallest ones are close to 2 grand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435




i play an Ibanez rg 350QMZ, i will definatly be b-lining it over to the Line 6 Spyders, especially for the korn setting, that would be sweet!

definatley want something with a thick sound to it, i dont want no twangy sound, but i for sure dont have 2 grand to drop though.

what git do u play?
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
FET amp simulations are cheap and effective although mostly DIY. Good place to explore some designs.
[link to www.runoffgroove.com]
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Re: need a good amp/pedal for playing tuned low A-a
FET amp simulations are cheap and effective although mostly DIY. Good place to explore some designs.
[link to www.runoffgroove.com]
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this is to build your own pedals? i think thats a little more than i can chew! people actually do this?

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