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I was stewing on some thoughts... a one world government would not be so bad... As long as it served to protect nationalism and diversity. Let each nation act as it does, preserving culture and rich heritages.

I don't believe God intended for their only to be 'one' race and 'one' color and one this or that.

And I don't believe that Government should work to 'control' the 'environment' to such a micro level. Not one element in nature purely controls a climate. Thus, why should Government? After all, man does vainly attempt to emulate what was created above.

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Such a governing body already exists, called the United Nations.
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Such a governing body already exists, called the United Nations.
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Yeah but the United Nations doesn't serve the needs of all nations equally.
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I agree. Have you read about meta-abolitionism?

[link to hedweb.com]

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"The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life.

The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of neural architecture - a motivational system based on heritable gradients of bliss. States of sublime well-being are destined to become the genetically pre-programmed norm of mental health. It is predicted that the world's last unpleasant experience will be a precisely dateable event.

Two hundred years ago, powerful synthetic pain-killers and surgical anesthetics were unknown. The notion that physical pain could be banished from most people's lives would have seemed absurd. Today most of us in the technically advanced nations take its routine absence for granted. The prospect that what we describe as psychological pain, too, could ever be banished is equally counter-intuitive. The feasibility of its abolition turns its deliberate retention into an issue of social policy and ethical choice. "

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I like it.
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Such a governing body already exists, called the United Nations.
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Yeah but the United Nations doesn't serve the needs of all nations equally.
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I agree. Have you read about meta-abolitionism?

[link to hedweb.com]

...

"The Hedonistic Imperative outlines how genetic engineering and nanotechnology will abolish suffering in all sentient life.

The abolitionist project is hugely ambitious but technically feasible. It is also instrumentally rational and morally urgent. The metabolic pathways of pain and malaise evolved because they served the fitness of our genes in the ancestral environment. They will be replaced by a different sort of neural architecture - a motivational system based on heritable gradients of bliss. States of sublime well-being are destined to become the genetically pre-programmed norm of mental health. It is predicted that the world's last unpleasant experience will be a precisely dateable event.

Two hundred years ago, powerful synthetic pain-killers and surgical anesthetics were unknown. The notion that physical pain could be banished from most people's lives would have seemed absurd. Today most of us in the technically advanced nations take its routine absence for granted. The prospect that what we describe as psychological pain, too, could ever be banished is equally counter-intuitive. The feasibility of its abolition turns its deliberate retention into an issue of social policy and ethical choice. "

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I like it.
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The name seems so... deceptive. I'm not sure the intentions are true.

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It is a little odd sounding yes. But really it is just honesty, Hedonism truly is the human imperative, at some level at least.

We don't really need much to be happy after all: perhaps that way the spirit would be seen as a greater end, since people wouldn't be so driven towards materialism as a sort of "addictive" drive.

Then also, nobody could ever say "Ignorance is Bliss". lmao

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It is a little odd sounding yes. But really it is just honesty, Hedonism truly is the human imperative, at some level at least.

We don't really need much to be happy after all: perhaps that way the spirit would be seen as a greater end, since people wouldn't be so driven towards materialism as a sort of "addictive" drive.

Then also, nobody could ever say "Ignorance is Bliss". lmao
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touche!

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But, these concepts always seem so good, in their perception - but never in reality do they work.

Ah, a common human motive... greed?

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But, these concepts always seem so good, in their perception - but never in reality do they work.

Ah, a common human motive... greed?

spock
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Hmm... it could be. Perhaps however that too is derived from a sort of "grass is greener on the other side" perception.

Maybe if everyone were in esctatic bliss at all times they wouldn't consider stealing from each other. 1rof1
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But, these concepts always seem so good, in their perception - but never in reality do they work.

Ah, a common human motive... greed?

spock
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Hmm... it could be. Perhaps however that too is derived from a sort of "grass is greener on the other side" perception.

Maybe if everyone were in esctatic bliss at all times they wouldn't consider stealing from each other. 1rof1
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I disagree, for we are told that Cain were jealous of his brother and thought his brothers wife more fair and upon offering to God he was denied the exchange.

Thus, he stole his brothers prize through murder.

Humans are a peculiar creature...
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Perhaps then the issue of whether or not humans can indeed "get along" ought to be solved first, at the very least.
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Perhaps then the issue of whether or not humans can indeed "get along" ought to be solved first, at the very least.
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I'm not sure it is possible, it is inherent in our nature.

One never questions whether it is 'evil' when a fox kills a rabbit. One must consider human nature too within this realm, although we have perception greater than any other animal...

We are also riddled with division within that casts clouds amongst our better discernment.

Ideas?
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I'm not sure it is possible, it is inherent in our nature.

One never questions whether it is 'evil' when a fox kills a rabbit. One must consider human nature too within this realm, although we have perception greater than any other animal...

We are also riddled with division within that casts clouds amongst our better discernment.

Ideas?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Perhaps if the human ego were reduced to a marginalized state, as true evil as we would call it (that is, a serial killer=evil whereas fox=predator) is my guess for the "root of all evil" as it were.

I often wonder how important the ego is to our survival in a civilized society, as for humans at least, ego seems to always lay on the "overblown" end of the spectrum.
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I'm not sure it is possible, it is inherent in our nature.

One never questions whether it is 'evil' when a fox kills a rabbit. One must consider human nature too within this realm, although we have perception greater than any other animal...

We are also riddled with division within that casts clouds amongst our better discernment.

Ideas?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Perhaps if the human ego were reduced to a marginalized state, as true evil as we would call it (that is, a serial killer=evil whereas fox=predator) is my guess for the "root of all evil" as it were.

I often wonder how important the ego is to our survival in a civilized society, as for humans at least, ego seems to always lay on the "overblown" end of the spectrum.
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I feel those are generalities and do not actually address the underlying fundamental trigger mechanisms that release these conditioned responses.

One most consider that these urges are most primal, although excessive time not spent on surviving, would inevitably in my opinion lead to 'overblown' delusions of grandeur that lead to what we describe as ego-centric.

But, when we consider the impulsive nature of man and the inevitably, what made them do that?

We can only reflect that it was a certain 'state' of mind that is all pervasive in certain cultures.

Therefore - I believe that true peace revolves around keeping us as ethnically diverse AS POSSIBLE.
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I feel those are generalities and do not actually address the underlying fundamental trigger mechanisms that release these conditioned responses.

One most consider that these urges are most primal, although excessive time not spent on surviving, would inevitably in my opinion lead to 'overblown' delusions of grandeur that lead to what we describe as ego-centric.

But, when we consider the impulsive nature of man and the inevitably, what made them do that?

We can only reflect that it was a certain 'state' of mind that is all pervasive in certain cultures.

Therefore - I believe that true peace revolves around keeping us as ethnically diverse AS POSSIBLE.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Yes... I agree. Almost like a giant "jigsaw puzzle", in which personalities are all perfectly integrated, so that everyone can be exactly who they truly are.

What do you know of the spirituality concept "Force of Desire", frequently called kundalini? (Buddhist/Hindu term)

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I think we'll get there OP with a single governing body that equitably serves the needs of all, administered without the abuse and corruption. I just wonder how and how soon? Lot of house cleaning to be done first. The UN? Those weasels seem like a den of vipers and petulant assclowns.
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I feel those are generalities and do not actually address the underlying fundamental trigger mechanisms that release these conditioned responses.

One most consider that these urges are most primal, although excessive time not spent on surviving, would inevitably in my opinion lead to 'overblown' delusions of grandeur that lead to what we describe as ego-centric.

But, when we consider the impulsive nature of man and the inevitably, what made them do that?

We can only reflect that it was a certain 'state' of mind that is all pervasive in certain cultures.

Therefore - I believe that true peace revolves around keeping us as ethnically diverse AS POSSIBLE.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Yes... I agree. Almost like a giant "jigsaw puzzle", in which personalities are all perfectly integrated, so that everyone can be exactly who they truly are.

What do you know of the spirituality concept "Force of Desire", frequently called kundalini? (Buddhist/Hindu term)
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Not much, briefly enlighten me smile
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I think we'll get there OP with a single governing body that equitably serves the needs of all, administered without the abuse and corruption. I just wonder how and how soon? Lot of house cleaning to be done first. The UN? Those weasels seem like a den of vipers and petulant assclowns.
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IMO, A bunch of shitty diapers needing changed!

I bet that room smells like Depends and Moth balls.

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Do you meditate, first of all?

There is a neurological explanation but it is rather complicated.

The biological explanation (which leaves much to be desired) is the simultaneous super-activation of the four primal arousal responses, sometimes termed Fight, Flight, Food, and Fuck... LOL it'll do I guess.
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Do you meditate, first of all?

There is a neurological explanation but it is rather complicated.

The biological explanation (which leaves much to be desired) is the simultaneous super-activation of the four primal arousal responses, sometimes termed Fight, Flight, Food, and Fuck... LOL it'll do I guess.
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First, let me ask...

What purpose does spiritual pursuit serve if one cannot perceive their true senses?
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Do you meditate, first of all?

There is a neurological explanation but it is rather complicated.

The biological explanation (which leaves much to be desired) is the simultaneous super-activation of the four primal arousal responses, sometimes termed Fight, Flight, Food, and Fuck... LOL it'll do I guess.
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First, let me ask...

What purpose does spiritual pursuit serve if one cannot perceive their true senses?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


groucho

Expound, if you will.
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Do you meditate, first of all?

There is a neurological explanation but it is rather complicated.

The biological explanation (which leaves much to be desired) is the simultaneous super-activation of the four primal arousal responses, sometimes termed Fight, Flight, Food, and Fuck... LOL it'll do I guess.
 Quoting: pi


First, let me ask...

What purpose does spiritual pursuit serve if one cannot perceive their true senses?
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


groucho

Expound, if you will.
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How do we know that 'meditation' and other forms of spiritual pursuit are not merely ideas conceived by ones own delusional perceptions...

being devils advocate here...
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How do we know that 'meditation' and other forms of spiritual pursuit are not merely ideas conceived by ones own delusional perceptions...

being devils advocate here...
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That could be, that is certain.

How about this... if you were in a normal state of mind (ie not tripping or already psychotic... LOL), how would you react if - oh let's default to Christianity - Jesus Christ walked into the room you are in right now?

And this was for sure Jesus, like, halo and everything. Point being, it is an unmistakeable image.

If he just sort of walked in and said "Hello my child", what would your response be? And would you suspect it to be a hallucination up to/including this point?

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How do we know that 'meditation' and other forms of spiritual pursuit are not merely ideas conceived by ones own delusional perceptions...

being devils advocate here...
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That could be, that is certain.

How about this... if you were in a normal state of mind (ie not tripping or already psychotic... LOL), how would you react if - oh let's default to Christianity - Jesus Christ walked into the room you are in right now?

And this was for sure Jesus, like, halo and everything. Point being, it is an unmistakeable image.

If he just sort of walked in and said "Hello my child", what would your response be? And would you suspect it to be a hallucination up to/including this point?
 Quoting: pi


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That is a faith based question I realize and that this is a piece of bait hmm

Never the less, my position of Christ is a bit mixed, but I'll bite. I would assume that if my senses perceived it were real, then it must be.

But, a-hah. I can twist this one on you, I have had a few moments of hallucination because of illness that is still vivid in my adult mind. I remember how real it 'felt' but I knew in my gut it wasn't real. There are no words to describe this... my only answer is, you KNOW when something is true.
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That is a faith based question I realize and that this is a piece of bait hmm

Never the less, my position of Christ is a bit mixed, but I'll bite. I would assume that if my senses perceived it were real, then it must be.

But, a-hah. I can twist this one on you, I have had a few moments of hallucination because of illness that is still vivid in my adult mind. I remember how real it 'felt' but I knew in my gut it wasn't real. There are no words to describe this... my only answer is, you KNOW when something is true.
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Bait... yes, quite.
MakaGrin

LOL Let's steer it to something else then.

Have you used psychedelics? What about other hallucinogenic drugs?
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We dont need government any longer.

Bye bye. We govern ourselves, and have common law, as individuals. All fictitious, and now in America, defacto, representations just come from living breaking Men and Women.

That is all government is anywhere.

You can suck on agenda 21 as well, and all that shit.

For now we remain countries, until we can truly work out respecting each other. Then the issue would not matter one way or another, if every individual had the same power as a Sovereign Nation, as it should be.

No NWO. Otherwise, meatballs.
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We dont need government any longer.

Bye bye. We govern ourselves, and have common law, as individuals. All fictitious, and now in America, defacto, representations just come from living breaking Men and Women.

That is all government is anywhere.

You can suck on agenda 21 as well, and all that shit.

For now we remain countries, until we can truly work out respecting each other. Then the issue would not matter one way or another, if every individual had the same power as a Sovereign Nation, as it should be.

No NWO. Otherwise, meatballs.
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rolleyes

AC 483:

Sees NWO = Thinks: "Witches! Witches and demons!" LOL

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That is a faith based question I realize and that this is a piece of bait hmm

Never the less, my position of Christ is a bit mixed, but I'll bite. I would assume that if my senses perceived it were real, then it must be.

But, a-hah. I can twist this one on you, I have had a few moments of hallucination because of illness that is still vivid in my adult mind. I remember how real it 'felt' but I knew in my gut it wasn't real. There are no words to describe this... my only answer is, you KNOW when something is true.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom


Bait... yes, quite.
MakaGrin

LOL Let's steer it to something else then.

Have you used psychedelics? What about other hallucinogenic drugs?
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The dream of a fun guy is often times an elucidating experience but I do not kiss and tell.
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We dont need government any longer.

Bye bye. We govern ourselves, and have common law, as individuals. All fictitious, and now in America, defacto, representations just come from living breaking Men and Women.

That is all government is anywhere.

You can suck on agenda 21 as well, and all that shit.

For now we remain countries, until we can truly work out respecting each other. Then the issue would not matter one way or another, if every individual had the same power as a Sovereign Nation, as it should be.

No NWO. Otherwise, meatballs.
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