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Do you 'believe' in god, or know god.

 
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Do you 'believe' in god, or know god.
Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
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Yes I know them,they are some sick fucks.
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At first I didn't. Then after "waking up" too the underworld of conspiracy I later found out all the Illuminati crap.

Then I went further into conspiracy and asked myself why all the Jew and Christian hate.

After some time I gave prayer a shot because I honestly didn't have anything left (Funny how people pray when they reach rock bottom and never while their winning)and after years of unanswered prayers I felt Gods literal love reach me. I cried it was so strong.

^^^ This took over the course of many many years since 9/11.

Thread: Know Your Enemy Series (Video Bible) - (NWO - Illuminati - RFID - Spirits) (Page 2)
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For future reference this is NOT by any means intended to be a thread of religious or philosophical truths.

The word belief is tossed around a lot, but not true knowledge.

Your take is much appreciated!
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At first I didn't. Then after "waking up" too the underworld of conspiracy I later found out all the Illuminati crap.

Then I went further into conspiracy and asked myself why all the Jew and Christian hate.

After some time I gave prayer a shot because I honestly didn't have anything left (Funny how people pray when they reach rock bottom and never while their winning)and after years of unanswered prayers I felt Gods literal love reach me. I cried it was so strong.

^^^ This took over the course of many many years since 9/11.

Thread: Know Your Enemy Series (Video Bible) - (NWO - Illuminati - RFID - Spirits) (Page 2)
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Most fascinating!
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people who believe : have faith

people who do not believe : do not have faith

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people who do not believe : are in search for the truth

people who believe : do not have to search for the truth

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people who do not believe : speculate about what's written and might not be true

people who believe : defend what is written

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me : I say the truth will never be found

people who do not believe : are furious to know, sometimes desperate, looking for arguments, do not have peace.

people who believe : have a peace of mind, can rest their heads on prayer

me : I'm a believer

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“Our lives are not our own. From womb to tomb, we are bound to others. Past and present. And by each crime and every kindness, we birth our future...”
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Take it a step further. Remember you are God- one of an unlimited number of aspects/facets/perspectives of Him all created out of and with pure Love.hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

[link to www.youtube.com]
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there ain't no fricking God. so, get over it.
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32415920


yes, god has answered my prayers. He took me from a very sick and twisted world, much more twisted than earth could ever be.... and brought me here. And i don't have to worry about being crucified or killed like he did.

So yes, god answered my prayers.
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32415920

Conversely, when you really think about it... can anyone honestly say that God has not? It is but a matter of perspective and how you choose to see it. hf
'Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind.' - Dr. Seuss
'love has no opposite as it is the divine solvent that ends duality.' - m'Lord
'Be the love that you are' -m'Lord
The amount of love and good feelings you have at the end of your life is equal to the love and good feelings you create during your life.- mine
Yes, the things that others think, say, or do will sometimes hurt you— until they do
not anymore.What will get you from here to there most quickly is total honesty—
being willing to assert, acknowledge, and declare exactly how you feel about a thing.
Say your truth—kindly, but fully and completely. Live your truth, gently, but totally
and consistently. Change your truth easily and quickly when your experience brings
you new clarity.-God

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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32415920


yes, god has answered my prayers. He took me from a very sick and twisted world, much more twisted than earth could ever be.... and brought me here. And i don't have to worry about being crucified or killed like he did.

So yes, god answered my prayers.
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Can you be more specific? You immigrated to the US? You left Detroit?

I didn't write a legal clause about what "answering prayer" meant, but , obviously, it's something that couldn't happen on it's own. ie. like you grew back a leg or eye or something. Moving to another location or recovering from an illness is normal for humans.
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32415920


Verbal communication is pretty weak.

Most who have 'divine' experiences seem to describe them as communication through emotion and even subtle changes in the environment .

As humans we only have speaking to reference.

But imagine being the source of all that is known, the programmer of all energy and frequency, it seems like you would figure a way to interact with your creations.

As for physically speaking with this source, I cannot say I've ever heard such things that could be validated.
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32415920


yes, god has answered my prayers. He took me from a very sick and twisted world, much more twisted than earth could ever be.... and brought me here. And i don't have to worry about being crucified or killed like he did.

So yes, god answered my prayers.
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Can you be more specific? You immigrated to the US? You left Detroit?

I didn't write a legal clause about what "answering prayer" meant, but , obviously, it's something that couldn't happen on it's own. ie. like you grew back a leg or eye or something. Moving to another location or recovering from an illness is normal for humans.
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read what i said.

He took me from a very sick world, and brought me here. Not detroit, not usa.. i was in another realm, and he brought me here to safety. Even though chaos is around me, i myself am safe.
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God is source, he is the Creator. He is the source of all spirituality and every aspect of this Universe. He's helping each in every one of us, if we decide to follow down the life path he has chosen for us.

~Till the next life.
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
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To "know" God would necessitate talking with God. Can anyone honestly say that God has talked to them. Verbally. Can anyone honestly say that God has answered their prayer?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32415920


Verbal communication is pretty weak.

Most who have 'divine' experiences seem to describe them as communication through emotion and even subtle changes in the environment .

As humans we only have speaking to reference.

But imagine being the source of all that is known, the programmer of all energy and frequency, it seems like you would figure a way to interact with your creations.

As for physically speaking with this source, I cannot say I've ever heard such things that could be validated.
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Muslims and other religions have strong "feelings" that they relate to God communication. Are all religions correct, or are some people deluding themselves? Humans seem to be programmed with a God weakness. We get the same feeling about the triumph of Jesus as we do of the quarterback throwing a last second hail Mary pass to win the game. Humans are emotional. Do emotions make it so?
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
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No, I can safely say I know for a fact the Abrahamic idea of "god" is complete and utter nonsense.
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An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
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No, I can safely say I know for a fact the Abrahamic idea of "god" is complete and utter nonsense.
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My point. So how do you know that ANY religion is right?
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
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No, I can safely say I know for a fact the Abrahamic idea of "god" is complete and utter nonsense.
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My point. So how do you know that ANY religion is right?
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I don't. I am an atheist and until one can actually provide some solid evidence to sway me I will remain an atheist. And I won't hold my breathe waiting for said evidence either...
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I know Jesus is real by how he changed me. I literally was born again. Night and day difference and others around me have taken notice. I tell them that's how they know Jesus is real and I give all the glory to God who literally saved me.
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I know Jesus is real by how he changed me. I literally was born again. Night and day difference and others around me have taken notice. I tell them that's how they know Jesus is real and I give all the glory to God who literally saved me.
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We can all make life-changing decisions.


I don't think that the "truth" is knowable. I wish it were, but wishing doesn't make it so.
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Knowing God results from Coming Unto The Father.

There is a progression of awareness:
Belief ==> Faith ==> Surrender ==> KNOWING/RELATIONSHIP



Only ONE WAY Unto The Father: Through Christ Jesus.

Only One Born-Again Life: Spelled out in Ezekiel ch 36, verses 26 & 27. God Gives us A New Heart OF-HIM; then Enables us to Know HIS Will, Do HIS Will and Live w/o sinning again.


Religion is not The Way Unto The Father. No man can lead or present you Unto The Father. We Come Unto HIM on our own and in full humility and brokenness. Surrender is pledging your life into HIS Control and Guidance and seeking only HIS Will, not your own, for rest of life.


Christ Jesus Witnesses in John 14:6 "...NO man Cometh Unto The Father But BY ME."

Only One Living God, made Known to us through Holy Trinity: Father, Son & Holy Spirit.

Christ Gave HIS Life To Enable you to Come Unto The Father.



Anything else you choose to rationalize is just that.

Knowing supersedes all Belief or Faith....


Can you Trust God Fully with every aspect of your life?
If so, NOW is the time to tell HIM so...


Maranatha!!!
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god is one chill dude
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Noun
An acceptance that a statement is true or that something exists.
Something one accepts as true or real; a firmly held opinion or conviction.

That is the definition of belief.

It is synonymous with faith, and opinion.


Verb
Be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.
Have knowledge or information concerning.

That is the definition of know.

Given this information and your experience can you safely say you 'know' or 'believe' in a god?
 Quoting: Urban Crusader


No, I can safely say I know for a fact the Abrahamic idea of "god" is complete and utter nonsense.
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My point. So how do you know that ANY religion is right?
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I don't. I am an atheist and until one can actually provide some solid evidence to sway me I will remain an atheist. And I won't hold my breathe waiting for said evidence either...
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As for myself the evidence of some higher form of order lies in the natural world.

Just look at cells, a universe in itself, operating at a microscopic level providing us with our very existence.

Everything is a cell with in larger cell, from hydrogen cells to galaxies. To me this is the mark of some creative force. Whether not you can call that god is up to you.
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No, I can safely say I know for a fact the Abrahamic idea of "god" is complete and utter nonsense.
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My point. So how do you know that ANY religion is right?
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I don't. I am an atheist and until one can actually provide some solid evidence to sway me I will remain an atheist. And I won't hold my breathe waiting for said evidence either...
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As for myself the evidence of some higher form of order lies in the natural world.

Just look at cells, a universe in itself, operating at a microscopic level providing us with our very existence.

Everything is a cell with in larger cell, from hydrogen cells to galaxies. To me this is the mark of some creative force. Whether not you can call that god is up to you.
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I used to think the same way as you. I thought that, things were created, so whatever is responsible for creation (we don't know) is what we would called god, although this concept would be incompatible with the idea of a personified god... nevetheless we could call this god.

I now no longer believe in creation. Let me try to explain. The big bang, yes, but not the act of creation itself. I believe that things always existed even if they were in another state and different from what this physical universe is.

I obviously never have and never will believe in a designer, and nor do I know even believe in a creator. I believe things always were. And since I can't prove this, I cannot say this is how it is. Nevertheless, it is my best educated guess.

But what I can do, is break down each and every man made religion is erroneous.
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My point. So how do you know that ANY religion is right?
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I don't. I am an atheist and until one can actually provide some solid evidence to sway me I will remain an atheist. And I won't hold my breathe waiting for said evidence either...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


As for myself the evidence of some higher form of order lies in the natural world.

Just look at cells, a universe in itself, operating at a microscopic level providing us with our very existence.

Everything is a cell with in larger cell, from hydrogen cells to galaxies. To me this is the mark of some creative force. Whether not you can call that god is up to you.
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I used to think the same way as you. I thought that, things were created, so whatever is responsible for creation (we don't know) is what we would call* god, although this concept would be incompatible with the idea of a personified god... nevetheless we could call this god.

I now no longer believe in creation. Let me try to explain. The big bang, yes, but not the act of creation itself. I believe that things always existed even if they were in another state and different from what this physical universe is.

I obviously never have and never will believe in a designer, and nor do I now* even believe in a creator. I believe things always were. And since I can't prove this, I cannot say this is how it is. Nevertheless, it is my best educated guess.

But what I can do, is break down each and every man made religion is erroneous.
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I don't. I am an atheist and until one can actually provide some solid evidence to sway me I will remain an atheist. And I won't hold my breathe waiting for said evidence either...
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As for myself the evidence of some higher form of order lies in the natural world.

Just look at cells, a universe in itself, operating at a microscopic level providing us with our very existence.

Everything is a cell with in larger cell, from hydrogen cells to galaxies. To me this is the mark of some creative force. Whether not you can call that god is up to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19320175


I used to think the same way as you. I thought that, things were created, so whatever is responsible for creation (we don't know) is what we would call* god, although this concept would be incompatible with the idea of a personified god... nevetheless we could call this god.

I now no longer believe in creation. Let me try to explain. The big bang, yes, but not the act of creation itself. I believe that things always existed even if they were in another state and different from what this physical universe is.

I obviously never have and never will believe in a designer, and nor do I now* even believe in a creator. I believe things always were. And since I can't prove this, I cannot say this is how it is. Nevertheless, it is my best educated guess.

But what I can do, is break down each and every man made religion as* erroneous.
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My point. So how do you know that ANY religion is right?
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I don't. I am an atheist and until one can actually provide some solid evidence to sway me I will remain an atheist. And I won't hold my breathe waiting for said evidence either...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31557420


As for myself the evidence of some higher form of order lies in the natural world.

Just look at cells, a universe in itself, operating at a microscopic level providing us with our very existence.

Everything is a cell with in larger cell, from hydrogen cells to galaxies. To me this is the mark of some creative force. Whether not you can call that god is up to you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 19320175


I used to think the same way as you. I thought that, things were created, so whatever is responsible for creation (we don't know) is what we would called god, although this concept would be incompatible with the idea of a personified god... nevetheless we could call this god.

I now no longer believe in creation. Let me try to explain. The big bang, yes, but not the act of creation itself. I believe that things always existed even if they were in another state and different from what this physical universe is.

I obviously never have and never will believe in a designer, and nor do I know even believe in a creator. I believe things always were. And since I can't prove this, I cannot say this is how it is. Nevertheless, it is my best educated guess.

But what I can do, is break down each and every man made religion is erroneous.
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It seems very much like a computer program.

That's how I came to the conclusion that there may be an unexplainable energy expressing itself through this multiverse.

I use creation for lack of a better word.

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