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No More CandyCoated History! ABE LINCOLN WAS A WAR MONGER AND MASS MURDERER!

 
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Its time to realize what he really was, a war monger and mass murderer of Americans.
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


That's exactly why Lincoln is idolized and considered the greatest president. They want us to think it's good for the government to trample upon our rights and murder us in the millions.
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South Carolina seceded first in 1861, after Lincoln became president.
 Quoting: Ollo


Lincoln was inaugurated in march 1861. Much of the South had seceded by then. You southrons are very deficient in history.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30474188


you are a fucking idiot

[link to memory.loc.gov]

They succeeded because of Lincoln

and btw that war had nothing to do with Slaves...

My great great great great grandpa fought for the Confederacy... Years after the war his grand son asked him why he fought against the blacks...

He said...
"God damnnit, I didn't fight for no slaves. I fought to remove oppression and tyranny from all people. I didnt risk my life so some rich plantation owner in Georgia could sit on his ass and not lift his finger. I fought aside the Negroes. Fine soldiers the lot of them. Those sum bitches in Washington didnt give one damn about the dark folk, the poor folk or any folk. Shadow Puppets the whole of us were. It was a war started by greed and greed alone on both sides. I fought so my children could live without the pressures of greedy men"

Not much has changed has it?


btw its not Southrons
Its Southerners
 Quoting: Dr. Acula


Its really not necessary for you to talk like this. It adds nothing to the discussion and simply displays your character. For the record your link is incorrect. Below is a timeline of events.

-Lincoln was elected on November 6th 1860

-December 20th, 1860, South Carolina held a secession convention in Charleston. The debate was quick and short. Representatives voted unanimously, 169 to 0 for secession.

-Also prior to Lincoln being inaugurated, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Lousiana and Texas left the union.

-Lincoln was inaugurated on March 4, 1861

-On April 12th, 1861, at about 4:30 AM, South Carolina militia forces in Charleston opened fire on Fort Sumter. (This was the trigger that started the war)

[link to ehistory.osu.edu]
 Quoting: Celtic Ranger


Don't bother posting facts, inbreds don't understand facts. They also obviously never ready the articles of secession from the seceding states which pretty much say as plain as day in their own words that they seceded because of slavery

[link to sunsite.utk.edu]
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I swear on a bible that you're deficient in history.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office. The south was supported by the Bank of England (Rothschild). Lincoln used the help of the Russian Navy to stop the flow of support from the British empire to the south. Lincoln realized that if the south were successful, the continued slavery coupled with the Bank of England would be disastrous for this country.
When the south was defeated, Lincoln was assassinated for his stalwart position, and the US bought Alaska for $7 million to thank Russia for their support.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24028110


It doesn't matter what you think Lincoln's intentions were. What he did was entirely unlawful, unconstitutional, and is still the bloodthirstiest warmonger against American people that the world has ever known.
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Don't bother posting facts, inbreds don't understand facts. They also obviously never ready the articles of secession from the seceding states which pretty much say as plain as day in their own words that they seceded because of slavery

[link to sunsite.utk.edu]
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And you think Lincoln went to war unlawfully to save the slaves? Haha.
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Don't bother posting facts, inbreds don't understand facts. They also obviously never ready the articles of secession from the seceding states which pretty much say as plain as day in their own words that they seceded because of slavery

[link to sunsite.utk.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714023


And you think Lincoln went to war unlawfully to save the slaves? Haha.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


No, Lincoln didnt go to war for the slaves, he even said in his inaugural that slavery wasn't worth breaking up the union, he went to war because the south declared war by firing on Fort Sumter...
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Don't forget though, Lincoln was a Republican ......


lincoln

obamaclap
 Quoting: Lindalee


SO THE REPUBLICANS FREED THE SLAVES?
AND THE DEMOCRATS MADE THE SLAVES?
My God, who wudda thunk?
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


Demos Formed the KKK.. so maybe you should do some checking on your understanding of history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


well gee whiz, somebody better tell the black folk!
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Its time to realize what he really was, a war monger and mass murderer of Americans.
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


That's exactly why Lincoln is idolized and considered the greatest president. They want us to think it's good for the government to trample upon our rights and murder us in the millions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


You must have missed all the talk about greenbacks and interest-bearing currency. Again I ask, how many war casualties have there been since the civil war? And who finances these wars? The same people Lincoln was trying to put out of business. Case closed shilly.
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Don't forget though, Lincoln was a Republican ......


:lincoln:

:obamaclap:
 Quoting: Lindalee


SO THE REPUBLICANS FREED THE SLAVES?
AND THE DEMOCRATS MADE THE SLAVES?
My God, who wudda thunk?
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


Demos Formed the KKK.. so maybe you should do some checking on your understanding of history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


well gee whiz, somebody better tell the black folk!
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


gee wiz mental midget you are here bashing.. i guess you are not as smart as you thought
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This guy is probably a hero to Lincoln-haters-

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Don't bother posting facts, inbreds don't understand facts. They also obviously never ready the articles of secession from the seceding states which pretty much say as plain as day in their own words that they seceded because of slavery

[link to sunsite.utk.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714023


And you think Lincoln went to war unlawfully to save the slaves? Haha.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


No, Lincoln didnt go to war for the slaves, he even said in his inaugural that slavery wasn't worth breaking up the union, he went to war because the south declared war by firing on Fort Sumter...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714023


Haha, complete and total bullshit. You know nothing about Civil War or history or the facts. He instigated the attack, so stop trying to tell people in this thread that they are inbreds and don't understand facts.

"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. "

Lincoln, Letter To Gustavus Fox on 1 May, 1861

"He (Lincoln) himself conceived the idea, and proposed sending supplies, without an attempt to reinforce giving notice of the fact to Gov Pickins of S.C. The plan succeeded. They attacked Sumter it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could."

Senator Orville Hickman Browning's diary dated July 3, 1861
(Lincoln's personal and political friend)

He wanted the war, and he got it.
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Its time to realize what he really was, a war monger and mass murderer of Americans.
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


That's exactly why Lincoln is idolized and considered the greatest president. They want us to think it's good for the government to trample upon our rights and murder us in the millions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


You must have missed all the talk about greenbacks and interest-bearing currency. Again I ask, how many war casualties have there been since the civil war? And who finances these wars? The same people Lincoln was trying to put out of business. Case closed shilly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Lincoln went to the Rothschilds in order to finance his unlawful war of aggression upon the South. Just because he didn't like their terms doesn't mean he tried to shut them down.

Everything he did is STILL unlawful and unconstitutional. Just because he refused to do business with the Rothschilds doesn't mean he is a hero, nor does it make what he did lawful or moral in any sense of the word.
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Don't forget though, Lincoln was a Republican ......


lincoln

obamaclap
 Quoting: Lindalee


SO THE REPUBLICANS FREED THE SLAVES?
AND THE DEMOCRATS MADE THE SLAVES?
My God, who wudda thunk?
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


Demos Formed the KKK.. so maybe you should do some checking on your understanding of history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


well gee whiz, somebody better tell the black folk!
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


martin luther king knew... he was a life-long god-fearing registered republican.

fact.
Liberal Logic - Demanding that the government stay out of their bedrooms while insisting on taxpayer funded birth control.
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Its time to realize what he really was, a war monger and mass murderer of Americans.
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


That's exactly why Lincoln is idolized and considered the greatest president. They want us to think it's good for the government to trample upon our rights and murder us in the millions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


You must have missed all the talk about greenbacks and interest-bearing currency. Again I ask, how many war casualties have there been since the civil war? And who finances these wars? The same people Lincoln was trying to put out of business. Case closed shilly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Furthermore, it is exactly BECAUSE of Lincoln that the world is now under the boot heel of the out of control, warmongering United States federal government. HE is solely responsible for the creation of this monster.
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I really hate to go there because racism is an issue that is REALLY hard to discuss outside of your own home but here are my thoughts...

No war is ever perfect but you have to choose a side. There could be different reasons behind each persons choice but here would of been mine.

If I were alive back then I KNOW in my heart I would of been fighting for Lincoln and the north. I am a white woman so I would of supported the soldiers or hidden slaves because it was the right thing to do.

There have been slaves from the beginning of time in some form or another but it is wrong and we all know it. I just can't imagine believing that I could purchase a person and use them to my benefit.

Sometimes I am angry at blacks when they are still angry at whites because half of this country fought and many died to help them.

It honestly just seems so incredibly crazy that human beings actually think that one color of skin is better than the other. Now I am Irish and I love my ancestors but I don't think we were superior in Gods eyes.


So whatever all the reasons for that war were the end result was inevitable because there was no way in hell that good people would of let that craziness go on forever and still slept at night with a good concious.

Whether it was 50 years before or 100 years later that war was coming.
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I really hate to go there because racism is an issue that is REALLY hard to discuss outside of your own home but here are my thoughts...

No war is ever perfect but you have to choose a side. There could be different reasons behind each persons choice but here would of been mine.

If I were alive back then I KNOW in my heart I would of been fighting for Lincoln and the north. I am a white woman so I would of supported the soldiers or hidden slaves because it was the right thing to do.

There have been slaves from the beginning of time in some form or another but it is wrong and we all know it. I just can't imagine believing that I could purchase a person and use them to my benefit.

Sometimes I am angry at blacks when they are still angry at whites because half of this country fought and many died to help them.

It honestly just seems so incredibly crazy that human beings actually think that one color of skin is better than the other. Now I am Irish and I love my ancestors but I don't think we were superior in Gods eyes.


So whatever all the reasons for that war were the end result was inevitable because there was no way in hell that good people would of let that craziness go on forever and still slept at night with a good concious.

Whether it was 50 years before or 100 years later that war was coming.
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The original targets of the Ku Klux Klan were Republicans, both black and white, according to a new television program and book, which describe how the Democrats started the KKK and for decades harassed the GOP with lynchings and threats.

An estimated 3,446 blacks and 1,297 whites died at the end of KKK ropes from 1882 to 1964.


[link to www.freerepublic.com]
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Don't bother posting facts, inbreds don't understand facts. They also obviously never ready the articles of secession from the seceding states which pretty much say as plain as day in their own words that they seceded because of slavery

[link to sunsite.utk.edu]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714023


And you think Lincoln went to war unlawfully to save the slaves? Haha.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


No, Lincoln didnt go to war for the slaves, he even said in his inaugural that slavery wasn't worth breaking up the union, he went to war because the south declared war by firing on Fort Sumter...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 714023


Haha, complete and total bullshit. You know nothing about Civil War or history or the facts. He instigated the attack, so stop trying to tell people in this thread that they are inbreds and don't understand facts.

"You and I both anticipated that the cause of the country would be advanced by making the attempt to provision Ft Sumter, even if it should fail; and it is no small consolation now to feel that our anticipation is justified by the result. "

Lincoln, Letter To Gustavus Fox on 1 May, 1861

"He (Lincoln) himself conceived the idea, and proposed sending supplies, without an attempt to reinforce giving notice of the fact to Gov Pickins of S.C. The plan succeeded. They attacked Sumter it fell, and thus, did more service than it otherwise could."

Senator Orville Hickman Browning's diary dated July 3, 1861
(Lincoln's personal and political friend)

He wanted the war, and he got it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


What about the Ft Sumpter attackers? You dont think they were un-american at all? Lincoln used the seceding confederates' stupidity against them, and he succeeded.
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SO THE REPUBLICANS FREED THE SLAVES?
AND THE DEMOCRATS MADE THE SLAVES?
My God, who wudda thunk?
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


Demos Formed the KKK.. so maybe you should do some checking on your understanding of history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


well gee whiz, somebody better tell the black folk!
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


gee wiz mental midget you are here bashing.. i guess you are not as smart as you thought
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no... i'm a metal midget!rockon
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Demos Formed the KKK.. so maybe you should do some checking on your understanding of history
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


well gee whiz, somebody better tell the black folk!
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


gee wiz mental midget you are here bashing.. i guess you are not as smart as you thought
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3798339


no... i'm a metal midget!rockon
skull_fing
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Guess truth hurts trolls.. Crawl back under your bridge
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What about the Ft Sumpter attackers? You dont think they were un-american at all? Lincoln used the seceding confederates' stupidity against them, and he succeeded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Sure, it may have been stupid. But if Lincoln would have acquiesced to a peaceful separation, which is what he should have done and was completely and entirely lawful and within the bounds of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, there would have been no need to attack Fort Sumter.
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I really hate to go there because racism is an issue that is REALLY hard to discuss outside of your own home but here are my thoughts...

No war is ever perfect but you have to choose a side. There could be different reasons behind each persons choice but here would of been mine.

If I were alive back then I KNOW in my heart I would of been fighting for Lincoln and the north. I am a white woman so I would of supported the soldiers or hidden slaves because it was the right thing to do.

There have been slaves from the beginning of time in some form or another but it is wrong and we all know it. I just can't imagine believing that I could purchase a person and use them to my benefit.

Sometimes I am angry at blacks when they are still angry at whites because half of this country fought and many died to help them.

It honestly just seems so incredibly crazy that human beings actually think that one color of skin is better than the other. Now I am Irish and I love my ancestors but I don't think we were superior in Gods eyes.


So whatever all the reasons for that war were the end result was inevitable because there was no way in hell that good people would of let that craziness go on forever and still slept at night with a good concious.

Whether it was 50 years before or 100 years later that war was coming.
 Quoting: Bornready 30099313


Why do you have to choose sides? Why cant people use simple reason and choose peace?
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He freed my people from blood sucking masons and, for that I love him.
 Quoting: Mad Pole


really? he "freed" your people?
your people couldn't vote/ have any civil rights
FOR 100 YEARS AFTER HE "FREED" YOU.
 Quoting: .:*Buttercup*:.


I couldn't of voted back then either because I don't have a weiner. What's your point?
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I couldn't of
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You probably shouldn't be voting now either.
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What about the Ft Sumpter attackers? You dont think they were un-american at all? Lincoln used the seceding confederates' stupidity against them, and he succeeded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Sure, it may have been stupid. But if Lincoln would have acquiesced to a peaceful separation, which is what he should have done and was completely and entirely lawful and within the bounds of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, there would have been no need to attack Fort Sumter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


Then we could speculate that these confederates would attack anyways.

Ft Sumpter wiki article: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

From that- On December 26, 1860, six days after South Carolina declared its secession, U.S. Army Major Robert Anderson abandoned the indefensible Fort Moultrie and secretly relocated companies E and H (127 men, 13 of them musicians) of the 1st U.S. Artillery to Fort Sumter on his own initiative, without orders from Washington.[7][8][9][10][11]

-This was before Lincoln sent aid to them.
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I know its actually spelled 'Sumter', apologies.
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What about the Ft Sumpter attackers? You dont think they were un-american at all? Lincoln used the seceding confederates' stupidity against them, and he succeeded.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


Sure, it may have been stupid. But if Lincoln would have acquiesced to a peaceful separation, which is what he should have done and was completely and entirely lawful and within the bounds of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, there would have been no need to attack Fort Sumter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


Then we could speculate that these confederates would attack anyways.

Ft Sumpter wiki article: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

From that- On December 26, 1860, six days after South Carolina declared its secession, U.S. Army Major Robert Anderson abandoned the indefensible Fort Moultrie and secretly relocated companies E and H (127 men, 13 of them musicians) of the 1st U.S. Artillery to Fort Sumter on his own initiative, without orders from Washington.[7][8][9][10][11]

-This was before Lincoln sent aid to them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9142675


What? Why would they attack the North if Lincoln said they were free to leave and there would be no repercussions?
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You do realize the attack was in response to Lincoln's "aid" correct? He was deliberately trying to provoke an attack, and was never amiable to peaceful secession beforehand.
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I swear on a bible that you're deficient in history.

The south seceded before Lincoln even took office. The south was supported by the Bank of England (Rothschild). Lincoln used the help of the Russian Navy to stop the flow of support from the British empire to the south. Lincoln realized that if the south were successful, the continued slavery coupled with the Bank of England would be disastrous for this country.
When the south was defeated, Lincoln was assassinated for his stalwart position, and the US bought Alaska for $7 million to thank Russia for their support.
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wow. You are just really dumb.
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From the same wiki article:

' Over the next few months repeated calls for evacuation of Fort Sumter[12] from the government of South Carolina and then from Confederate Brigadier General P. G. T. Beauregard were ignored. Union attempts to resupply and reinforce the garrison were repulsed on January 9, 1861 when the first shots of the war, fired by cadets from The Citadel, The Military College of South Carolina, prevented the steamer Star of the West, hired to transport troops and supplies to Fort Sumter, from completing the task. After realizing that Anderson's command would run out of food by April 15, 1861, President Lincoln ordered a fleet of ships, under the command of Gustavus V. Fox, to attempt entry into Charleston Harbor and supply Fort Sumter.'

Why did the confederates NEED to attack anyways? Just because they deemed it a threat? That is insanity.
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I couldn't of
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You probably shouldn't be voting now either.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24760791


My vote was a write in for Ron Paul. Had the media not illegally buried his campaign we might of actually had a chance in this country. Now we will continue to lose our rights until the rest of you finally get it and fight back. Hopefully everybody figures this out before we have ANOTHER civil war.

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