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my2centsworth User ID: 5382682 Canada 01/18/2013 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a piece years ago that advocated the fact that every cell in our body was "brain and memory".. this piece seems to corroborate that! or at least, implies our so called brain functions take place, some place ”other than at the brain". Very interesting paper! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, if I have this correct. DeepThought is saying that the basic function of the neuron is to select which neuron gets input next in the chain. It does that by accepting molecules which change the electric potential and that this is the control mechanism. Sooooo, throughout the entire brain signals are only being sorted, not processed or stored. Anyone got any ideas where it is going, DeepThought is vague at this point but is he pointing to new physics??? and more to the point, is that new physics us??? or just another interface to us yet again??? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/18/2013 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | history has taught me those in power never like too smart people explaining stuff to the general public, and that such persons' theories are usually closer to truth than others. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a piece years ago that advocated the fact that every cell in our body was "brain and memory".. this piece seems to corroborate that! or at least, implies our so called brain functions take place, some place ”other than at the brain". Quoting: my2centsworth Very interesting paper! He states that no carriers of information have been found. That rings true because I've never heard it mentioned anywhere. So, if there are no carriers, then he's obviously implying that processing and storage is something that is fundamental to the universe and not a product of particles. It seems like this has been obvious for a while to those "in the know", so I wonder why it is being hidden??? |
my2centsworth User ID: 5382682 Canada 01/18/2013 05:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, if I have this correct. DeepThought is saying that the basic function of the neuron is to select which neuron gets input next in the chain. It does that by accepting molecules which change the electric potential and that this is the control mechanism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32534031 Sooooo, throughout the entire brain signals are only being sorted, not processed or stored. Anyone got any ideas where it is going, DeepThought is vague at this point but is he pointing to new physics??? and more to the point, is that new physics us??? or just another interface to us yet again??? Well, there is also a school of thought that says, via meditation and sleep, we take in, or gain, information that we otherwise wouldn't have... so... maybe it’s a combination of internal and external "interfaces" as you put it. There is more to this world than meets eye Horacio! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/18/2013 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, if I have this correct. DeepThought is saying that the basic function of the neuron is to select which neuron gets input next in the chain. It does that by accepting molecules which change the electric potential and that this is the control mechanism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32534031 Sooooo, throughout the entire brain signals are only being sorted, not processed or stored. Anyone got any ideas where it is going, DeepThought is vague at this point but is he pointing to new physics??? and more to the point, is that new physics us??? or just another interface to us yet again??? nervous systems are complex receivers and transmitters; the brain is a more complex form of that, capable of switching circuits and relaying and such. i hope some pinpoints the exact interaction, the boundary between signalling and information; and that such boundary is quite distinct. it would clear up a lot of conceptions and misconceptions of consciousness. an interesting read, that touches on this subject, is [link to www.realitysandwich.com] and [link to cm.bell-labs.com] ... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, if I have this correct. DeepThought is saying that the basic function of the neuron is to select which neuron gets input next in the chain. It does that by accepting molecules which change the electric potential and that this is the control mechanism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32534031 Sooooo, throughout the entire brain signals are only being sorted, not processed or stored. Anyone got any ideas where it is going, DeepThought is vague at this point but is he pointing to new physics??? and more to the point, is that new physics us??? or just another interface to us yet again??? nervous systems are complex receivers and transmitters; the brain is a more complex form of that, capable of switching circuits and relaying and such. i hope some pinpoints the exact interaction, the boundary between signalling and information; and that such boundary is quite distinct. it would clear up a lot of conceptions and misconceptions of consciousness. an interesting read, that touches on this subject, is [link to www.realitysandwich.com] and [link to cm.bell-labs.com] ... I feel that is what DeepThought has done. Reading the end of the article, he appears to be suggesting that information is part of the universe and when it receives energy, from the routing in the brain, it integrates with the conscious experience. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30014435 United States 01/18/2013 05:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find flaws in the theory. If you are not your brain then people who receive traumatic brain injuries would indeed still be themselves. I think there is a platform for cellular memory but i'm not so sure it should include consciousness |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find flaws in the theory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30014435 If you are not your brain then people who receive traumatic brain injuries would indeed still be themselves. I think there is a platform for cellular memory but i'm not so sure it should include consciousness Not according to his theory. Traumatic brain injury would cut off energy coming and going to specific routes, this would damage memory, alter personality, etc. There is no problem here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 30014435 United States 01/18/2013 06:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find flaws in the theory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30014435 If you are not your brain then people who receive traumatic brain injuries would indeed still be themselves. I think there is a platform for cellular memory but i'm not so sure it should include consciousness Not according to his theory. Traumatic brain injury would cut off energy coming and going to specific routes, this would damage memory, alter personality, etc. There is no problem here. That's the loop hole in the theory. IF the traumatic injury cuts off energy coming and going to the brain and you are not yourself then the summary would be you are indeed your brain. Unless of course the energy could be re-routed through your asshole and you could be whole again? |
Jesse Sovoda User ID: 32524650 United States 01/18/2013 06:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find flaws in the theory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30014435 If you are not your brain then people who receive traumatic brain injuries would indeed still be themselves. I think there is a platform for cellular memory but i'm not so sure it should include consciousness Not according to his theory. Traumatic brain injury would cut off energy coming and going to specific routes, this would damage memory, alter personality, etc. There is no problem here. More circumstantial evidence that we are just some kind of autonomous awareness unit perceiving a data stream. Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find flaws in the theory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30014435 If you are not your brain then people who receive traumatic brain injuries would indeed still be themselves. I think there is a platform for cellular memory but i'm not so sure it should include consciousness Not according to his theory. Traumatic brain injury would cut off energy coming and going to specific routes, this would damage memory, alter personality, etc. There is no problem here. That's the loop hole in the theory. IF the traumatic injury cuts off energy coming and going to the brain and you are not yourself then the summary would be you are indeed your brain. Unless of course the energy could be re-routed through your asshole and you could be whole again? No, the theory appears to state that the brain connects with whatever you are at different locations throughout its structure. Energy flows back and forth across the brain structure stimulating whatever it is we are. If these routes fail, through disease or injury, then this energy cannot be exchanged and certain mental effects arise. Everything else is the same as current science. The only thing that changes is rather than the brain processing and storing information, this is done elsewhere. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036137 United States 01/18/2013 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We all have 7 awarenesses Spiritual Visual Audio Emotional Instinctive Sexual Primal Most people think in Audio. Few think in visual and very rarely some think in spiritual. We can use 2 at one moment to augment our reality. Such as emotion and audio for music. You are dominant (one of the 7). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31036137 United States 01/18/2013 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, the theory appears to state that the brain connects with whatever you are at different locations throughout its structure. Energy flows back and forth across the brain structure stimulating whatever it is we are. If these routes fail, through disease or injury, then this energy cannot be exchanged and certain mental effects arise. Everything else is the same as current science. The only thing that changes is rather than the brain processing and storing information, this is done elsewhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32534031 I've always said the brain is just an advanced antenna to our spirit. Which dwells in the Earths electromagnetic field. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30014435 United States 01/18/2013 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find flaws in the theory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30014435 If you are not your brain then people who receive traumatic brain injuries would indeed still be themselves. I think there is a platform for cellular memory but i'm not so sure it should include consciousness Not according to his theory. Traumatic brain injury would cut off energy coming and going to specific routes, this would damage memory, alter personality, etc. There is no problem here. That's the loop hole in the theory. IF the traumatic injury cuts off energy coming and going to the brain and you are not yourself then the summary would be you are indeed your brain. Unless of course the energy could be re-routed through your asshole and you could be whole again? No, the theory appears to state that the brain connects with whatever you are at different locations throughout its structure. Energy flows back and forth across the brain structure stimulating whatever it is we are. If these routes fail, through disease or injury, then this energy cannot be exchanged and certain mental effects arise. Everything else is the same as current science. The only thing that changes is rather than the brain processing and storing information, this is done elsewhere. That was my point the asshole could be the new brain. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32534031 Not according to his theory. Traumatic brain injury would cut off energy coming and going to specific routes, this would damage memory, alter personality, etc. There is no problem here. That's the loop hole in the theory. IF the traumatic injury cuts off energy coming and going to the brain and you are not yourself then the summary would be you are indeed your brain. Unless of course the energy could be re-routed through your asshole and you could be whole again? No, the theory appears to state that the brain connects with whatever you are at different locations throughout its structure. Energy flows back and forth across the brain structure stimulating whatever it is we are. If these routes fail, through disease or injury, then this energy cannot be exchanged and certain mental effects arise. Everything else is the same as current science. The only thing that changes is rather than the brain processing and storing information, this is done elsewhere. That was my point the asshole could be the new brain. Not unless the asshole was new physics... :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30014435 United States 01/18/2013 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30014435 That's the loop hole in the theory. IF the traumatic injury cuts off energy coming and going to the brain and you are not yourself then the summary would be you are indeed your brain. Unless of course the energy could be re-routed through your asshole and you could be whole again? No, the theory appears to state that the brain connects with whatever you are at different locations throughout its structure. Energy flows back and forth across the brain structure stimulating whatever it is we are. If these routes fail, through disease or injury, then this energy cannot be exchanged and certain mental effects arise. Everything else is the same as current science. The only thing that changes is rather than the brain processing and storing information, this is done elsewhere. That was my point the asshole could be the new brain. Not unless the asshole was new physics... :) I mean if it would work let's go with it. :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32521643 Ireland 01/18/2013 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a piece years ago that advocated the fact that every cell in our body was "brain and memory".. this piece seems to corroborate that! or at least, implies our so called brain functions take place, some place ”other than at the brain". Quoting: my2centsworth Very interesting paper! He states that no carriers of information have been found. That rings true because I've never heard it mentioned anywhere. So, if there are no carriers, then he's obviously implying that processing and storage is something that is fundamental to the universe and not a product of particles. It seems like this has been obvious for a while to those "in the know", so I wonder why it is being hidden??? Interesting concept - thanks for sharing OP. I guess this is where the term 'global consciousness' comes in. THAT being the 'main-frame' and we all tap into it. Yet i suspect that global consciousness is NOT solely of the consciousness of human beings on earth - it's entire consciousness. This thread reminds me of something i read recently regarding 'The Mind' - (tibetan book of the living and dying)... What is the Mind? It's not thoughts or feelings etc - as they are only PROJECTIONS of the mind. So what IS the Mind? In its barest form? It was described simply as a wide open blue sky - eternal, peaceful, always there, continuously empty...yet capable of weathers so diverse that affect our daily lives, weather (thoughts, feelings and thus actions) which totally OBSCURE the TRUE nature of the Mind ...akin to a cloud-filled sky. Does that make sense? Apparently if we can totally grasp this concept - and BE it....then our interaction with every-day life is as realised/awakened beings. Another analogy given of this is an empty glass vase...there is air within the vase...and air surrounding the vase to infinity....if the glass (our mind) shatters both 'air spaces' mix without limitation - leaving a seamless experience of continuity of experience of pure consciousness/Be-ing....without the complexity of the mind (vase) in the way of such an experience and appearing separate. Theoretically i 'get this' stuff...realising it and becoming it - hmmmm....i might be on the way if there was not so much corruption, distraction, obfuscation...and an overall deterioration of quality of life globally. Perhaps THESE things are posing as 'reality' to prevent such liberting freedom from the mind? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a piece years ago that advocated the fact that every cell in our body was "brain and memory".. this piece seems to corroborate that! or at least, implies our so called brain functions take place, some place ”other than at the brain". Quoting: my2centsworth Very interesting paper! He states that no carriers of information have been found. That rings true because I've never heard it mentioned anywhere. So, if there are no carriers, then he's obviously implying that processing and storage is something that is fundamental to the universe and not a product of particles. It seems like this has been obvious for a while to those "in the know", so I wonder why it is being hidden??? Interesting concept - thanks for sharing OP. I guess this is where the term 'global consciousness' comes in. THAT being the 'main-frame' and we all tap into it. Yet i suspect that global consciousness is NOT solely of the consciousness of human beings on earth - it's entire consciousness. This thread reminds me of something i read recently regarding 'The Mind' - (tibetan book of the living and dying)... What is the Mind? It's not thoughts or feelings etc - as they are only PROJECTIONS of the mind. So what IS the Mind? In its barest form? It was described simply as a wide open blue sky - eternal, peaceful, always there, continuously empty...yet capable of weathers so diverse that affect our daily lives, weather (thoughts, feelings and thus actions) which totally OBSCURE the TRUE nature of the Mind ...akin to a cloud-filled sky. Does that make sense? Apparently if we can totally grasp this concept - and BE it....then our interaction with every-day life is as realised/awakened beings. Another analogy given of this is an empty glass vase...there is air within the vase...and air surrounding the vase to infinity....if the glass (our mind) shatters both 'air spaces' mix without limitation - leaving a seamless experience of continuity of experience of pure consciousness/Be-ing....without the complexity of the mind (vase) in the way of such an experience and appearing separate. Theoretically i 'get this' stuff...realising it and becoming it - hmmmm....i might be on the way if there was not so much corruption, distraction, obfuscation...and an overall deterioration of quality of life globally. Perhaps THESE things are posing as 'reality' to prevent such liberting freedom from the mind? I would lay off the pot man.. :) If anything, it just means that we are in fact the universe itself...and we're a bunch of wise ass assholes. :) Things ain't looking too good for the afterlife at this point. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32098210 Belgium 01/18/2013 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nervous systems do take over functioning from other damaged nervous systems. this has been seen many times in humans (people with only a brain stem, capable of functioning in society; or for example your enteric nervous system) |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 32534031 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nervous systems do take over functioning from other damaged nervous systems. this has been seen many times in humans (people with only a brain stem, capable of functioning in society; or for example your enteric nervous system) That is accurate. There was a guy who worked for a government department like that. I know it sounds like a joke, but it is true. I think we're very damn closing to pinning down the carriers behind this. We need to throw everything we have at it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14753287 United Kingdom 01/18/2013 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, if I have this correct. DeepThought is saying that the basic function of the neuron is to select which neuron gets input next in the chain. It does that by accepting molecules which change the electric potential and that this is the control mechanism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32534031 Sooooo, throughout the entire brain signals are only being sorted, not processed or stored. Anyone got any ideas where it is going, DeepThought is vague at this point but is he pointing to new physics??? and more to the point, is that new physics us??? or just another interface to us yet again??? It's vague because it'; bullshit. |
DxRxRxFx User ID: 21239878 United States 01/18/2013 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you don't think consciousness exists outside the mind, try astral projecting. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32521643 Ireland 01/18/2013 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a piece years ago that advocated the fact that every cell in our body was "brain and memory".. this piece seems to corroborate that! or at least, implies our so called brain functions take place, some place ”other than at the brain". Quoting: my2centsworth Very interesting paper! He states that no carriers of information have been found. That rings true because I've never heard it mentioned anywhere. So, if there are no carriers, then he's obviously implying that processing and storage is something that is fundamental to the universe and not a product of particles. It seems like this has been obvious for a while to those "in the know", so I wonder why it is being hidden??? Interesting concept - thanks for sharing OP. I guess this is where the term 'global consciousness' comes in. THAT being the 'main-frame' and we all tap into it. Yet i suspect that global consciousness is NOT solely of the consciousness of human beings on earth - it's entire consciousness. This thread reminds me of something i read recently regarding 'The Mind' - (tibetan book of the living and dying)... What is the Mind? It's not thoughts or feelings etc - as they are only PROJECTIONS of the mind. So what IS the Mind? In its barest form? It was described simply as a wide open blue sky - eternal, peaceful, always there, continuously empty...yet capable of weathers so diverse that affect our daily lives, weather (thoughts, feelings and thus actions) which totally OBSCURE the TRUE nature of the Mind ...akin to a cloud-filled sky. Does that make sense? Apparently if we can totally grasp this concept - and BE it....then our interaction with every-day life is as realised/awakened beings. Another analogy given of this is an empty glass vase...there is air within the vase...and air surrounding the vase to infinity....if the glass (our mind) shatters both 'air spaces' mix without limitation - leaving a seamless experience of continuity of experience of pure consciousness/Be-ing....without the complexity of the mind (vase) in the way of such an experience and appearing separate. Theoretically i 'get this' stuff...realising it and becoming it - hmmmm....i might be on the way if there was not so much corruption, distraction, obfuscation...and an overall deterioration of quality of life globally. Perhaps THESE things are posing as 'reality' to prevent such liberting freedom from the mind? I would lay off the pot man.. :) If anything, it just means that we are in fact the universe itself...and we're a bunch of wise ass assholes. :) Things ain't looking too good for the afterlife at this point. LOL :-) Your reply is an example of the article - i was GOING to say "p.s. i haven't smoked anything"... We are the universe - wise asses with no ability to comprehend fully that we ARE the universe. I'd surely explode! hahaaa... The afterlife?...there's no point in planning for what isn't NOW - it'll surely lead to disappointment. Okay...now i may have to smoke...;-) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32507156 Canada 01/18/2013 06:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I remember reading a piece years ago that advocated the fact that every cell in our body was "brain and memory".. this piece seems to corroborate that! or at least, implies our so called brain functions take place, some place ”other than at the brain". Quoting: my2centsworth Very interesting paper! He states that no carriers of information have been found. That rings true because I've never heard it mentioned anywhere. So, if there are no carriers, then he's obviously implying that processing and storage is something that is fundamental to the universe and not a product of particles. It seems like this has been obvious for a while to those "in the know", so I wonder why it is being hidden??? Because it would imply we have a soul |