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US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!

 
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i had a meeting with someone who supposedly was a member of the "Illuminati"

there were two things he told me which stood out

1) next 20 years world wide economy collapse, banks run out of money, money will no longer mean anything, there will be chaos murdering in the streets

2) aliens are interplanetary and inter-dimensional. responsible for us being here today, the gods as mankind calls them, will reveal themselves within 20 years.
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Just shut the fuck up.

That's all supposed to be seekrit.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
According to all my research, the two biggest precious metals ETF's extant, GLD and SLV, are total and complete frauds. My theory about the huge amount of silver that was added to SLV yesterday is that it was done to, as usual, facilitate more price suppression.

When they add more silver to SLV, they create more shares of the ETF at the same time, since each share is supposedly backed by a specified amount of silver. The problem is that, when you dig into the numbers, each share is NOT backed by silver; some percentage of those shares are always loaned out to those looking to short SLV. Worse, I believe that our friends at institutions like J.P. Morgan are naked shorting SLV, which means that they don't have to borrow shares from an existing shareholder (which can be done surreptitiously, to any shareholder, whether the shareholder agrees or not, since a margin account has that provision built in) or even ensure that the shares CAN be borrowed.

I think that, when they added that huge amount of silver yesterday, it was only really paper silver that was added, in the form of paper SLV shares that aren't shares in the conventional sense, in that they aren't counted in the share structure. They are shares that have been naked shorted, which drives down the price of the underlying commodity, in this case silver.

Generally, for every long there's a short, but in cases like this, you can quite easily have far more shorts than longs, which drives down the price, since now you have an unbalanced situation where there is NOT a long for every short, but a preponderance of shorts.

I personally very much doubt we're having a true silver shortage right now, but I do believe one is coming, and probably in the not-too-distant future. The U.S. Mint could quite easily keep producing and selling ASE's (American Silver Eagles), BUT NOT AT THE CURRENT RIDICULOUSLY LOW PRICE. If the price were raised, they would be able to keep producing them at a constant rate, but, as usual with artificial price controls, when you keep the market price below what it would be in a free market, you create supply disruptions, since now more of the commodity can be purchased and used than would otherwise be the case.

The cure for artificial price controls is always the wholesale failure of the price control scheme and a resulting price for the suppressed commodity that exceeds the high it would have reached in the absence of the price suppression. That's where we're eventually headed with silver, but the high price is likely to be so high that it will shock even me. I can't even begin to explain how pernicious and powerful the price suppression in silver has been over the past 25 years or so. It truly defies description.
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What you collecting next? Copper or Bronze?
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if someone wanted to spend 100-200 bucks on silver..what would be their best option?
 Quoting: Ur1el


silvertowne

buy their 1oz bars
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if someone wanted to spend 100-200 bucks on silver..what would be their best option?
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I'm fueling both the gold and silver rockets. They're about to blast off.....

7 years to return Germany's gold? That spells trouble ahead. Everyone will lose confidence in the USA but gold and silver will soar.....
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
If your buying 'generic' silver it must say: '.999 fine silver'. A coin store in Bedford Ohio tried to sell me something that said one troy ounce silver. It was plated.
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They have also said that they will be rationing in the future.


Bullshit!
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
This isn't how a free market works.
As demand goes up, so does price.
If the US mint sold out that quick, why has silver only gone up $1.50/oz?

Germany takes 7 years too, that smacks of manipulation.
They don't want to have to buy or deliver all that gold at once because the price of gold would skyrocket and the dollar would be toast within weeks.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
There is little doubt in my mind that silver s/b valued at about $1,000 an ounce.

However it might not ever get back to $50 because the Fed supplies JP Morgan with as much credit as it needs to keep silver and gold down.

Remember the Fed isn't audited, so they can pull whatever shenanigans they wish and no one will do a damn thing about it .
Meanwhile the CTFT - or whatever those initials are - are in on this 100%. IOW, there is NO oversight.

The Fed needs to keep the dollar stable at all costs. So they give the credit to JP who then makes millions of dollars a day, day after day by shorting gold and silver. If JP needed to buy 100 million shares, the FED would do give them the credit to do it.

JP then repays the Fed and keeps the profit. As far as those two crooks are concerned, it is a Win-Win...for them. They literally suck money out of the pockets of their latest patsies who play the market honestly.

There is no end in sight for this scheme nor are there any real limits on how much money they can throw at the other bidders.
 Quoting: Brightwinger


Yes.....there will be an end.

Those that own the Federal Reserves are not Americans......nor do they align themselves with any country.

The day will come when the Federal Reserve will be instructed to destroy the dollar.

So.....for your statement "The Fed needs to keep the dollar stable at all costs".........this is only a temporary phenomena.


In my opinion they are scooping up as many things as possible at depressed prices......real estate, metals, etc.
That has been their pattern over many years. Crash a market......and then scoop things up for pennies on the dollar.


Many new storefront places have popped up everywhere offering to give you cash for your scrap gold. Think about it.


When they get as much of the physical as they feel possible......they will tank the dollar.


The chaos will cause the controlled and manipulated exchanges to shut down. Only then will the real value become apparent......in the black market. More than likely however they will pass laws making black market activity illegal.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
For those who are new to silver - look at the history, and what you have missed out on:

Silver in 2013
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if someone wanted to spend 100-200 bucks on silver..what would be their best option?
 Quoting: Ur1el


i will tell you man. I have years in this game.

I can only say you one word and never forget it kid: physical



you will send me your massive donations later, when you get rich. Or at least send your good thoughts charlie to the good ole strongman
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physical would be the only logical option. but what kind..silver bars ect from apmex...silver eagles?

im not a silvertard..unfortunately.
 Quoting: Ur1el


Pawn shop for eagles so you can get them at spot. Fuck paying over spot, ever.
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Black market is technically illegal now - what they want is to go to a digital system where no paper/coin is exchanged so they can track each transaction and tax it.
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
Ummmmm, this always happens at the end of the year while they are changing over to start printing the 2013 eagles. I expect by the end of the month they will begin selling the 2013 eagles. No need to panic or read into it some big conspiracy. Like I said, this delay happens every year when they have to switch over to making the new coins.
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These were the 2013 Eagles

The United States Mint has temporarily sold out of 2013 American Eagle Silver Bullion coins. As a result, sales are suspended until we can build up an inventory of these coins. Sales will resume on or about the week of January 28, 2013, via the allocation process.

[link to goldsilver.com]

Last Edited by No Dhimmi on 01/18/2013 11:38 PM
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
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Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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These were the 2013 Eagles

The United States Mint has temporarily sold out of 2013 American Eagle Silver Bullion coins. As a result, sales are suspended until we can build up an inventory of these coins. Sales will resume on or about the week of January 28, 2013, via the allocation process.

[link to goldsilver.com]
 Quoting: No Dhimmi


Yeah, well, they just started minting them.... Like I said, this delay happens every year.
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 Quoting: THE WORDSMITH


Just got an email from them...

"Gainesville Coins has plenty of 2013 American Silver Eagles available right now. No waiting. No delay. Place your order by credit card or bankwire..."


Apmex says they won't have more in until after jan 31.

I'm not sure the shortage is over...I think all this means is that some dealers still have some left in stock from before the backorder.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
That delay is between the year blanks - this is not the same - the 2013 blanks were already in use. The issue is the silver this time.
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The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.
[link to www.cspipublishing.com]
[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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That delay is between the year blanks - this is not the same - the 2013 blanks were already in use. The issue is the silver this time.
 Quoting: No Dhimmi



Yeah sure, whatever. bsflag


My prediction.....2013 silver eagles will be easily available by the end of January.
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"
if someone wanted to spend 100-200 bucks on silver..what would be their best option?
"

With 200 bucks I would go Junk Silver.

Dimes - Quarters - Half Dollars -

The Premium you pay over spot price is more.

But they have a FACE value, smaller quantities are easily obtained, and the coins are generally recognized by everyone.

Get a calculator out, take your time, don't get anxious.

Do the math look for the best available deal.

Watch out for the variations on troy weight, metric weight, and apothecaries weight.

When in doubt go to the Melt Value/Face Value equivalent.

[link to www.coinflation.com]

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If you go to the Auctions read the listing carefully.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
Actually. There is more gold in the world than silver. Silver is used in many industrial processes.
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Re: US MINT = "Sorry, no more silver". Silver SLV ETF: "adding tons of silver". Silver manipulation or what? Calling Silvertards!
So are we finally going to see a spike in the price of silver, SS?

I got a few Silver Eagles... Ain't going nowhere. They are buried though... in a secure location. Just like a Pirate!

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