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Moon Hoax MORE IMPOSSIBLE then going to the moon

 
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I know it's not as sexy as gun news, but I know we have at least a few guys who believe the moon landings were fake, and it was interesting to hear the take of a filmmaker.
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How much did Buzz pay him?
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Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander? How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day? With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation. How come America can't get back to the Moon today? Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space? Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!! Like keeping there hands away from there mouths.

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Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander? How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day? With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation. How come America can't get back to the Moon today? Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space? Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!! Like keeping there hands away from there mouths.

ana
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Another damn good question is why the fuck did their voices not sound high pitch because of gravity? Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
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I haven't seen someone shill this hard for Nasa since Phil Plait.

This guy has it all wrong, mixes truth with lies, throws unecessary random factoids at you like a bad multiple choice question, shoves some strawmen and ad hominem and smugly diverts things at the end to things like Patriot Act.

His entire argument is that 'we didn't have the technology to fake it, so we must have gone to the moon'. The whole telecast was recorded on early standardized tv tape. Don't let moran over here side track you with film geek nonsense about movie reel lengths.

This guy's a total idiot.
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Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander? How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day? With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation. How come America can't get back to the Moon today? Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space? Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!! Like keeping there hands away from there mouths.

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Another damn good question is why the fuck did their voices not sound high pitch because of gravity? Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
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... No.
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Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander? How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day? With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation. How come America can't get back to the Moon today? Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space? Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!! Like keeping there hands away from there mouths.

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 Quoting: RD47 32156213


Another damn good question is why the fuck did their voices not sound high pitch because of gravity? Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
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lol
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Moon Hoax MORE IMPOSSIBLE then going to the moon
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Hoaxies have never been able to show that Apollo was somehow impossible.
They also have never produced a comprehensive narrative of how the whole thing could be faked.
Or even how a single piece of evidence could be faked in a way that makes scientific sense.

They also never seem to be aware that the audio-visual record is only a very small part of the evidence.
book

How much did Buzz pay him?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32557924

As usual an ad hominem attack is the only thing you can think of.
Did he say anything that you can show to be false?
book

Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

Why?

What misconception has lead you to the believe that there should be a crater under and lots of dust on the LM itself?

How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

By an application of technology that uses basic physical principles you seem to be unaware of.

With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation.
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

What fluxes and what types of radiation?
What is the difference with the LEO environment?

How come America can't get back to the Moon today?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

Not so much can't, but don't want to.

Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

Yes.

Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!!
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

That doesn't even resemble an argument or fact.

You have a lot of questions, don't you?
Why don't you try to learn a bit, rather than wallow in a cesspool of arguments from ignorance?
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Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435

Helium makes your voice high pitched because it has very low density.
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Re: Moon Hoax MORE IMPOSSIBLE then going to the moon
Another damn good question is why the fuck did their voices not sound high pitch because of gravity? Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435


Ooh, cool!

Every now and then someone comes up with something I hadn't heard before. Usually it is based in an incredible dearth of even basic knowledge, but once in a blue moon landing you get something that is actually mildly clever.



In any case, it isn't the weight of air that makes a difference. You don't carry the weight of a lungful of air around. Air is all around us, at approximately equal pressure, and when your lungs expand, more of it is inside the envelope of your flesh than is outside. You don't carry the weight of it any more than you have to add the weight of the air under your hat.

How helium performs its vocal magic is actually a factor of density:

[link to www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au]

The speed of sound depends on the density of the material. If your vocal tract is filled with helium, the local speed of sound is higher. That doesn't change the fundamental pitch, which is dependent on the vibration of the vocal chords, but it does change the resonance frequencies of the chamber.

Put it this way. If you put a guitar and a flute in a helium atmosphere, the guitar would play the same pitch but sound tinny, the flute would be difficult to play but would want to play at a higher pitch. That is because the former is defined by the mass, length, and flexibility of the strings, the latter is defined by the acoustic length of the column (although the impetus for that oscillating column of gas comes from turbulence at the embouchure).



However. Since air is compressible, there is some range of air density. Indeed, this is something acousticians have to worry about in such things as large sound systems. And it changes, radically, such things as sonic booms (and smaller acoustic effects inside various sorts of machinery).

Since many spacecraft are pressurized to less than one atmosphere, AND the make-up of gases is often other than the 70% N2 we breathe down here, I can state with confidence that careful listening WILL reveal subtle timbral changes in the voices of astronauts in various situations.

But it has nothing to do with weight. Only with density. And none of these effects change the fundamental pitch (listen to some of the samples on the provided link).
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Re: Moon Hoax MORE IMPOSSIBLE then going to the moon
I haven't seen someone shill this hard for Nasa since Phil Plait.

This guy has it all wrong, mixes truth with lies, throws unecessary random factoids at you like a bad multiple choice question, shoves some strawmen and ad hominem and smugly diverts things at the end to things like Patriot Act.
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Pick one. Name it, illustrate it.

And he's no knee-jerk supporter of government. Read the rest of his blog some time.


His entire argument is that 'we didn't have the technology to fake it, so we must have gone to the moon'. The whole telecast was recorded on early standardized tv tape. Don't let moran over here side track you with film geek nonsense about movie reel lengths.

This guy's a total idiot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32050588


No it wasn't.

To be pedantic, no television signal sent from an Apollo spacecraft or from the Moon was broadcast standard. They were made in unique low data-rate forms, combined with other telemetry, recorded on massive mag tape reels. They were also decoded and displayed in a couple of places on Earth, and on-the-fly telecine-like format conversions made to NTSC and PAL for delivery to the broadcasters.

Recordings were also performed on the converted material, then the original non-format broadcast included with the other telemetry was archived for possible later use (and, unfortunately, destroyed some years later).

Not that I get why you think that matters. How does how it was recorded have to do with whether it could be faked? (And are you aware that in the period and for a good decade or two after that, effects were typically done on film even for material that was going to be broadcast?)
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I know it's not as sexy as gun news, but I know we have at least a few guys who believe the moon landings were fake, and it was interesting to hear the take of a filmmaker.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9266723


His facts are all well and good but he just doesnt answer the basics. Why didn't they sink into the cream cheese surface?

Not so clever now, is he.
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Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander? How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day? With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation. How come America can't get back to the Moon today? Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space? Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!! Like keeping there hands away from there mouths.

ana
 Quoting: RD47 32156213


You are asking the canned questions by the conspiracy theorists. If you have access to google, you can simply find the answers to your questions. Sadly, you will find that there was no hoax. Open your mind and stop thinking everything is fake.
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Re: Moon Hoax MORE IMPOSSIBLE then going to the moon
Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander? How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day? With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation. How come America can't get back to the Moon today? Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space? Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!! Like keeping there hands away from there mouths.

ana
 Quoting: RD47 32156213


Another damn good question is why the fuck did their voices not sound high pitch because of gravity? Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
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Skipped science, did you?
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The ONLY thing you need to notice in this thread is how HARD and FAST the standard NASA SHILLS appear and work their BS!!!!

And NOTE that this is a crux issue still to this day.

NASA is MILLITARY and they are NOT here for US they have held back info and LIED to humanity since they began.


Have a nice day!
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IMPOSSIBLE to fake so that means we went? Wow.....talk about a last ditch effort to keep this meme alive.

Why no MOON ROVERS with HI-DEF VIDEO FEED BACK????
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its as real going to the moon with a v2 rocket and household alu foil suit...
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Great evidence you presented...
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It's YOU Ducky!!!


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Moon Hoax MORE IMPOSSIBLE then going to the moon
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 9266723

Hoaxies have never been able to show that Apollo was somehow impossible.
They also have never produced a comprehensive narrative of how the whole thing could be faked.
Or even how a single piece of evidence could be faked in a way that makes scientific sense.

They also never seem to be aware that the audio-visual record is only a very small part of the evidence.
book

How much did Buzz pay him?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32557924

As usual an ad hominem attack is the only thing you can think of.
Did he say anything that you can show to be false?
book

Where is the blast crater, dust all over the Lunar Lander?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

Why?

What misconception has lead you to the believe that there should be a crater under and lots of dust on the LM itself?

How did the astronaut keep both cool and warm in the same day?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

By an application of technology that uses basic physical principles you seem to be unaware of.

With no atmosphere the Moon would have been bombarded with radiation.
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

What fluxes and what types of radiation?
What is the difference with the LEO environment?

How come America can't get back to the Moon today?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

Not so much can't, but don't want to.

Do you know the ISS is only about 200 miles above Earth, in low earth orbit. Is that really being in space?
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

Yes.

Never trust fat guys, they all have real mental issues!!!
 Quoting: RD47 32156213

That doesn't even resemble an argument or fact.

You have a lot of questions, don't you?
Why don't you try to learn a bit, rather than wallow in a cesspool of arguments from ignorance?
book

Ever huff helium? It makes your voice high pitch because it weighs less. Wouldn't that mean oxygen on the moon would weigh less therefor making their voices higher pitched?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32358435

Helium makes your voice high pitched because it has very low density.
book
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Ah, logic, reason, and science. Don't see much of that on GLP.

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