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Moral Authority And The Dilemma Of The Christian American Warrior

 
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son

See Thread: What God's Word Says About Self Defense (Page 4)

Thread: Who were the militia during the American Revolution?

And my sig.

All of that is a apologetics for folks like us, and ways to prepare.
As a Marine, you don't have to obey unconstitutional orders. In fact you swore to defend the Constitution.
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I graduated high school almost two years ago.
Originally, I had every intent on joining the marine corps.
I still think about it some times. Even tonight at work there was something that caused it to cross my mind.
I think that there are ways that it could incredibly benefit me and my future family.
But then i think about what Christ said, and about what we are told to do in this brief life we have.
I heard the great commission tonight on the radio.
(local christian station i listen to)

Matthew 28:18-20 (esv)
And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to obserbe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

Originally i wanted to join the corps out of respect and honor for our nation, and an underlying sense of patriotism I have always had for this country.

Then I learned about what really happened on 9/11.
Then I read about northwoods.
Operation stellar wind.
Bengazi.
The floridation.
The experiments on the people in saint lewis.
The gulf of tonkin.
Cia Drug trafficing.
I actually read the patriot act and the ndaa and ndra.
I stumbled across the trespass act. (hr.347 i believe)
The blatant and clear censoring done by the media to fix the masses position, and when actual reporting is done, it is not reported. (look up amber lyon.)

On and on i stumbled through all of this. Everything that I had once thought or known to be true; everything that I had been told and lead to believe in high school: a complete sham.

Well... Nearly all of it.. I'm still pretty sure we won the revolutionary war... but the war of 1812 really did us in..
Thats another conversation though.

I have been thinking about this decision and what to do with my life for an incredible amount of time and I still wish to join the corps.

But for different reasons.

I feel that the marine corps needs Jesus Christ just as much as anyone else, if not more so. And I wish to be there to minister to fellow brothers. Especially in the times that lay ahead.

Although, I cannot come to a decision.

Christ told us that a man who lives by the sword, dies by the sword. (Matthew 26:52)

He also told us to turn the other cheek.

Everything that I have read and learned about the military industrial complex leads me to the conclussion that we (America) generate wars to create conflict and profit.

We take from the less fortunate and find a scapegoat.

Christ also told us that a house divided against itself, cannot, and will not stand. (Mark 3:25)

(serving Christ [the church] or serving the empire [enlisting])

Everything in my bones is telling me to pack up and leave for pendleton. But then I remember what Christ said. There is an internal battle going on and I just do not know sometimes. But then others days it seems crystal clear.

Then i look at the presidency, and coming end times prophecy. We are at the doorstep. Or so it seems at times.
But then again, we could be another hundred years off.
I have absoultely no idea. As men, we need to provide for our families, and in our current economy, the military is incredibly attractive.

But then I think about the commander in cheif, who is number one and ultimately decides our policy (ideally).
[barack "barry" obama; some say he is the anti christ; i really have no idea at this point]
I think about how he supports the muslim brotherhood (sending them f-15 fighter jets) ; How he sent the syrian rebels ammunition and arms to fight and cause harm and destrucion. How he is trying to take away the american peoples rights left and right. How he watched on a monitor as an american ambassador was murdered, and how he fired those who were willing to intervene. How he willingly supports the murder of innocent children thourgh aborition and how he is the only president in history to bow to a saudi (muslim) king, showing complete submission.

I think about these things every. single. day.

One of my best friends enlisted and wanted me to go with him. I almost did. But something kept me back. Something lingering in my mind. I still do not know what it was. But i feel we are in for something truly apocalytic.

These are my thoughts... I hope you can take something away from them.

In the meantime, I will be praying for you and our fellow service men.

I will see you in the kingdom of heaven brother.

May God's grace be poured out into your life, and may you walk and follow his statues and commandments that he may bless you.

I do not mean to trouble you with any of this, but they are serious issue that need to be thought about, mediatated on, and prayed about.

I pray you find resolution in this matter.
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Follow the principles of the Founding Fathers and don't give up on the American dream or ideal. Remember an ideal is something we all work toward. It is not yet established.

The American dream is just a dream of freedom that has been around probably as long as Man. The Corporations have taken over the Land. We The People must end their tyranical reign. This goes for all peoples worldwide.


Keep the faith & God bless.

Might wish to read this:


[link to mnhopkins.blogspot.se]
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"And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse [any] falsely; and be content with your wages."
Luke 3:14

"No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of [this] life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier."
II Timothy 2:4

"Thou [art] my battle axe [and] weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms;

And with thee will I break in pieces the horse and his rider; and with thee will I break in pieces the chariot and his rider;

With thee also will I break in pieces man and woman; and with thee will I break in pieces old and young; and with thee will I break in pieces the young man and the maid;

I will also break in pieces with thee the shepherd and his flock; and with thee will I break in pieces the husbandman and his yoke of oxen; and with thee will I break in pieces captains and rulers."

Jeremiah 51:20-23

"For every battle of the warrior [is] with confused noise, and garments rolled in blood; but [this] shall be with burning [and] fuel of fire."
Isaiah 9:5

"For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high [places]..."
Ephesians 6:12
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. These are my honest feelings. First of all i do respect your intent of service to our country. It is noble. But in all honesty...what the military industrial complex has become is an abomanation. These are the people who folks call the illuminati. It is a group of bankers, politicians, certain religious sects, media outlets and corporations. I doubt they call themselves that....as there are too many cogs in the wheel. My personal opinion is that these people are fueled by greed. Greed of money. Greed of power. A human soul is delicate and can be corrupted by earthly things. Capitalism is great when implemented truly. The soul and mind can coexist. I can go on but... let me get to the heart of your post....your direction must come from your own intuition (soul) ...nobody else has the ability to create the story of your journey here but you. I hope you can take something out of these thoughts.
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The American Dream; is just that a dream, an irrational wish usually accompanying sleep.

Killing babies for Jesus; Now that's HARDCORE!
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. These are my honest feelings. First of all i do respect your intent of service to our country. It is noble. But in all honesty...what the military industrial complex has become is an abomanation. These are the people who folks call the illuminati. It is a group of bankers, politicians, certain religious sects, media outlets and corporations. I doubt they call themselves that....as there are too many cogs in the wheel. My personal opinion is that these people are fueled by greed. Greed of money. Greed of power. A human soul is delicate and can be corrupted by earthly things. Capitalism is great when implemented truly. The soul and mind can coexist. I can go on but... let me get to the heart of your post....your direction must come from your own intuition (soul) ...nobody else has the ability to create the story of your journey here but you. I hope you can take something out of these thoughts.
 Quoting: Integrity101


You're right. We actually have had soldiers in Afghanistan guarding poppy fields that probably will end up in the American drug trade. How corrupt can you get?

They're abusing the trust of young Americans by dangling patriotism and collage money, and then a lot of them end up on really terrible assignment, forced to do multiple tours (it's called stop-loss), then tons of IED attacks and brain damage. Look up what I'm talking about. It's all real. Be a good critical thinker and know what you're signing up for.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.military.com]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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OP, as a veteran I suggest that if you and other good people like you leave the military exclusively to these soulless rats that we as a nation will pay a price later on. Read up on what Hitler did and attempted to do during the rise of the Third Reich. At the time, the German army was made up largely of god-fearing Christians like yourself. Thus, Hitler had to build his own separate legion of soulless drones to carry out his dark works. If nothing else, the presence of you and other like you in our military will allow us additional time to prepare to fend off the evil that WILL eventually come our way. If you want some divine inspiration for what I suggest, read the book "Bonhoeffer". We need more Dietrich Bonhoeffers right now. Alot more.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


thank you for your service to our country, and this is an excellent post. i think if we all did the right thing, we would all live in a much better place. however, i dont think the right thing is taken away what so many men and women have faught, bled, and died for. we all know you could outlaw every gun, it wouldnt change a thing. im sure there is no worse feeling as a father, that just watched his wife raped, or children murdered, knowing he could do nothing to defend them. anyone who would want to take this away from you to give you a false sense of security as we all know is full of shit, so i figure you understand this already, but my point is, even tho you are a follower of god, and the good book. if someone broke into your home what would you do? if someone tried to break into your nation? whats the difference. i saw a movie once when i was a kid on tnt, called purgatory. pretty much from what i remember the guy was a "badguy" wild west gunfighter. he changed his ways, but was waiting to goto heaven "as long as he did no more wrong, he was a sheriff in his small town, a band of fighting came into town and went to kill everyone off, he suited up and went out and faught, im pretty sure an angel came at the end and said something along the lines of the goodlord aint blind. real world isint movies, but the message was good. its sad we have these problems in our country today, is sickening, im pretty sure you joined the corps so you could oneday come home free.
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Freedom is worth fighting for.

The enemy Of America believes men are created to be used as slaves.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


You sound a bit naive, Stevens was a homosexual. The Obummer administration saw fit to make a homosexual an ambassador in a muslim country, as though it would not create any problems.
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"Should the leader allow himself to succumb to the wishes of those he leads, who will always seek to turn him into an idol, then the image of the leader will gradually become the image of the misleader. This is the leader who makes an idol of himself and who thus mocks God." (Dietrich Bonhoeffer, (interrupted) radio speech: "The Younger Generation’s Changed View of the Concept of Fuhrer", 1933, 2 days after Hitler became Chancellor)

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Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's

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then caesar gets nothing
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Dear Brother,

Praise the Lord & pass the ammunition.

Let the Holy Ghost guide us with his wisdom and give us the strenght to do God's will.

You, me and all our honorable Brothers in arms have arrived at this point in our lives for a reason, His reason.

Though I walk throught the valley of the shadows, I will fear no evil..... see you in Heaven Brother!
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Christians in the defence forces need to understand that satan is close to his peak power phase, that means satanists are in gubbmint, that means you will be doing their bidding. Loyalty is a great thing if you have a worthy leader, but you're unlikely to get that at this stage of the game.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


You sound a bit naive, Stevens was a homosexual. The Obummer administration saw fit to make a homosexual an ambassador in a muslim country, as though it would not create any problems.
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Wow, just wow. That's what you got out of his post? He's a bit naive because he doesn't understand that obviously Muslims will kill a gay man? Words fail.
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Freedom is worth fighting for.

The enemy Of America believes men are created to be used as slaves.
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Stop going to work and see if America is free! You'll march right back into the slave camp, "freely" of course!
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THE LAW OF THE SWORD[


By Chuck Baldwin
January 17, 2013
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My last two columns which stated that my line in the sand has been drawn and I will NOT register or surrender my firearms, even if that makes me a lawbreaker (in the sight of government), have generated multiplied thousands of reader responses. And while the vast majority of these responses expressed complete agreement, there were several responses from professing Christians telling me that I was in violation of Holy Scripture for making such a stand.

As one might expect, some of my brethren argued the erroneous “obey-the-government-no-matter-what” interpretation of Romans 13. For the sake of the many new readers of this column, let me point out that my son, constitutional Christian attorney Timothy Baldwin, and I have co-written a pivotal book dealing with this fallacious interpretation of Romans 13 in a book entitled “Romans 13: The True Meaning of Submission.” This book takes the entire Word of God to show that nowhere does the Bible teach (including in Romans 13) that Christians should submit to unlawful government. In fact, just the opposite is taught: Christians often have a duty to RESIST unlawful government.

To order the Romans 13 book, click here.

Also, you can order my four-part video message series (on one DVD) entitled, “The True Meaning of Romans 13.” Order it here.

But perhaps the verse of Scripture that my slightly confused brethren quoted most in their attempt to rebuke me was Matthew 26:52, “Then said Jesus unto him [Simon Peter], Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” (KJV) This, they said, proves that Christians have no right to keep and bear arms if the government said it was illegal to do so. However, with all due respect, this interpretation is opposed to the overwhelming evidence of Scripture to the contrary.

In the first place, consider what Jesus said just a few moments before making this statement. Just before arriving in the Garden of Gethsemane (where the statement was made to Peter to “put up thy sword”), Jesus told his disciples, “But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.” (Luke 22:36 KJV)

After hearing Jesus’ command, the disciples replied, “Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.” (Luke 22:38 KJV)

Notice that Jesus plainly and emphatically told Simon Peter and the others to arm themselves. So emphatic was Jesus’ command that He told them if they could not afford to purchase a sword they were instructed to sell their clothes if necessary and buy one.

After hearing Jesus’ command to arm themselves, the disciples noted that already two of the disciples were carrying arms. Jesus’ response, “It is enough,” did not mean that only two swords (out of eleven men--Judas Iscariot had already left to betray Christ) was sufficient, for He had plainly commanded EACH MAN to arm himself. He was simply acknowledging that they clearly understood what He had just told them.

Ladies and gentlemen, the First Century Roman sword was the most efficient and lethal personal defense weapon in the world at the time. It is no hyperbole or injustice to language to say that the Roman sword was the First Century equivalent to a modern AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. It was designed to kill swiftly and efficiently. And Jesus commanded His disciples to buy and carry one!

Also note that the same word “sword” that is used in this passage is the same word that is used in Romans 13:4, “He (government) beareth not the sword in vain.” In other words, Jesus told His disciples to carry the same-type weapon that government soldiers were carrying at the time.

After this exchange, Jesus and His disciples walked to the Garden of Gethsemane where the events of Peter and the sword took place.

Simon Peter had already told Jesus that he was willing to die for him (yes, Jesus rightly predicted his denial, knowing how Simon would react to the events that unfolded in the garden), and when the armed soldiers from the High Priest (tantamount to the President’s Secret Service officers today) came to arrest Jesus, Simon Peter drew his sword in defense of his Master. He intended to cut off the soldier’s head, but the man ducked, and Simon cleanly sliced off his ear.

Notice that Jesus did not rebuke or chastise Simon. Remember when He sternly told Simon, “Get thee behind me, Satan”? No such rebuke is found here. And notice, too, that He did not tell Simon to “GIVE UP thy sword.” He said “PUT UP again thy sword into his place,” meaning into its scabbard. He fully expected Simon to retain possession of his sword.

It is also noteworthy that as Jesus was being arrested, the power of His voice totally overwhelmed the soldiers, which caused all of them to sway backward and fall to the ground. (John 18:6) This accomplished a couple of things: it caused every soldier in that garden to fully understand that theirs was not the preeminent power present. It also allowed His eleven disciples to leave unscathed TAKING THEIR WEAPONS WITH THEM, as the soldiers were either totally distracted by the surprise of what had just happened to them, or they were totally disinterested in attempting to disarm the disciples after this incredible demonstration of power against them.

But as Jesus had come to this earth to give Himself a ransom for sinful men, which meant that His betrayal, arrest, and crucifixion were all a part of God’s sovereign plan for His only begotten Son, Simon’s armed defense of Christ was not necessary. Jesus calmly reminded Simon of the legions of angels that were available for His defense, should He call on them. Then Jesus gave Simon the assurance that “all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”

And despite what you’ve heard so many preachers say regarding this verse, this was not a WARNING to Simon Peter; it was a PROMISE to Simon Peter.

What Jesus was doing was assuring Simon Peter that the tyrannical Roman and Jewish forces that were now using the sword against Him would one day themselves be destroyed by the sword, but that it would not be Simon’s sword that would be the one to do this. In other words, Jesus was stating a divine principle that tyrants and despots who unjustly rule with the power of the sword would one day be brought to the judgment of the sword.

Jesus’ statement had nothing to do with Christians disarming themselves in the face of tyrants; it had everything to do with God’s pronouncement of judgment upon tyrants who force their will on people by the power of the sword. He was saying, “Those who ruthlessly rule and govern by the sword will be brought to justice by the sword.” THAT is what Jesus said.

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I graduated high school almost two years ago.
Originally, I had every intent on joining the marine corps.
I still think about it some times. Even tonight at work there was something that caused it to cross my mind.
I think that there are ways that it could incredibly benefit me and my future family.

Originally i wanted to join the corps out of respect and honor for our nation, and an underlying sense of patriotism I have always had for this country.

Then I learned about what really happened on 9/11.
Then I read about northwoods.
Operation stellar wind.
Bengazi.
The floridation.
The experiments on the people in saint lewis.
The gulf of tonkin.
Cia Drug trafficing.
I actually read the patriot act and the ndaa and ndra.
I stumbled across the trespass act. (hr.347 i believe)
The blatant and clear censoring done by the media to fix the masses position, and when actual reporting is done, it is not reported. (look up amber lyon.)

On and on i stumbled through all of this. Everything that I had once thought or known to be true; everything that I had been told and lead to believe in high school: a complete sham.

I pray you find resolution in this matter.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
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You sound a bit naive, Stevens was a homosexual. The Obummer administration saw fit to make a homosexual an ambassador in a muslim country, as though it would not create any problems.
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Wow, just wow. That's what you got out of his post? He's a bit naive because he doesn't understand that obviously Muslims will kill a gay man? Words fail.
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Muslims would see the appointment of a homosexual ambassador who would want to attend functions with his 'partner' as extremely offensive and a challenge. There's heaps of homosexual behaviour in islam, but they don't accept public display of it, nor that it's righteous or normal. To appoint such a person was provocative in the extreme - asking for trouble. The whole notion of 'diplomacy' which is central to the ambassadorial function was arrogantly discarded by this appointment.
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Don't listen to what they're saying, because it's all lies. Look at what they are doing. They're turning real patriotic Americans into the enemy. Use the brain that God gave you. I'm not particularly a bible thumping believer, but it's going to be very interesting to see what the leader will be doing at the 6 month mark, which would leave him 3.5 years.....Will the AntiChrist be revealed?
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Don't listen to what they're saying, because it's all lies. Look at what they are doing. They're turning real patriotic Americans into the enemy. Use the brain that God gave you. I'm not particularly a bible thumping believer, but it's going to be very interesting to see what the leader will be doing at the 6 month mark, which would leave him 3.5 years.....Will the AntiChrist be revealed?
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yeah, military people are conditioned to unquestioningly accept orders, to be loyal killing machines, so when satan occupies the authority position, who's bidding are you doing and who is it you're killing?

I appreciate the OPs hopes and conscientousness, but you have to know what Henry Kissinger said about military men, they all think that about you. I don't. You need to be more sceptical.
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oooh poor internet (fake) marine not gonna be able to have his guns soon.

i hope you are being watched. crazy.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
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I think that whenever you mix politics with religion, you are treading in dangerous water. I personally never understood this 'Christian militarism'. It's a very perplexing mixture of idealism and personal obligation.
Sometimes we have to draw the line between what is perosnal belief, and what it means to be patriotic. It's a somewhat scary idea to me that anyone would take their own idea of what it means to be American, and just automatically conclude that this is a Christian nation.
What of the rest of the country that doesn't subscribe to your belief, are we somehow counterproductive? Does anyone who disagrees with how you think, automatically become "the enemy"?

For as much hate as I am going to get especially on this thread, this board.. I really don't feel the same way you do. Does that make me any less American? Not at all. If I'm not mistaken, this country was founded on the idea that religion was an entanglement that we sought to break free of when this nation was founded. You need not look any further than the constitution itself.

I may never understand what makes someone believe they are fighting a serious battle against anyone who doesn't think the same way they do. And I think it is pretty ignorant that anyone would imagine this country as in need of an army of Christians to speak for us. Perhaps you've lost touch with what the rest of the country believes. We may stand behind you, but you stand alone. I would really question what logic your standing for.
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I think that whenever you mix politics with religion, you are treading in dangerous water. I personally never understood this 'Christian militarism'. It's a very perplexing mixture of idealism and personal obligation.
Sometimes we have to draw the line between what is perosnal belief, and what it means to be patriotic. It's a somewhat scary idea to me that anyone would take their own idea of what it means to be American, and just automatically conclude that this is a Christian nation.
What of the rest of the country that doesn't subscribe to your belief, are we somehow counterproductive? Does anyone who disagrees with how you think, automatically become "the enemy"?

For as much hate as I am going to get especially on this thread, this board.. I really don't feel the same way you do. Does that make me any less American? Not at all. If I'm not mistaken, this country was founded on the idea that religion was an entanglement that we sought to break free of when this nation was founded. You need not look any further than the constitution itself.

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Nice ploy there with the use of bogus 'they're the haters BS' and the ensuing therefore 'I'm a victim' BS.

The US was established by masons. They are religious, they worship Lucifer.
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Bootlickers!!!
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Let´s start with a quote from Voltaire:

"It´s dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."

Or:
It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong.

Then Samual Adams:

"If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!!!
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You do have a very interesting dilema indeed. Considering thatChrist taught peace and giving unto Ceasar what is Ceasars.
So yes joining the military was not in line with Jesus teachings , but it is in line with your human nature . You fall into the class of the warrior . This class has very strict guides to follow otherwise you go to hell as well.

Learn the code of the true warrior and their purpose . Never fight the demons battles but only fight to protect innocent lives .
Todays wars are not just so once again you are placed in peril. But its not too late to make the moral corrections.
The time of Jesus was also revelutionary times , but he choose the higher ground . He was taken by the demon natures in people and killed , well maybe, but his special job was to show the higher path .

You cant have wars in the name of Jesus even , but you can follow the vedic system of human life that teaches what roles are for each class of people and how they are adhered too for ultimate elevation , rather than degradation .

MOst politicians today adhere to the path of degrading what they are meant to preserve for goodness .
Ofcourse when push comes to shove you will have to protect the innocent people who cant defend themselves against an aggressor. That is the code of the warrior

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