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Moral Authority And The Dilemma Of The Christian American Warrior

 
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yeah, military people are conditioned to unquestioningly accept orders, to be loyal killing machines, so when satan occupies the authority position, who's bidding are you doing and who is it you're killing?

I appreciate the OPs hopes and conscientousness, but you have to know what Henry Kissinger said about military men, they all think that about you. I don't. You need to be more sceptical.
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My son just returned from Army, infantry boot camp. They took a good patriotic young man and turned him into a killer with superior tactical knowledge and gave him an implied license to kill.
I don't appreciate that his commander in chief is a userper, America-hating syndicate, Chicago-machine, crime boss worse than Al Capone.
If today the Boss were to order up all state National Guard and Regulars, he'd be enforcing unconstitutional confiscation laws against former law abiding citizens. That order is not long in coming.
Residing in my very house is my potential enemy and well-trained murderer.
There's not much greater insult than this present government turning our Sons and Daughters against their civilian families and neighbors by use of their armed force to dispossess us of our individual, potential armed defense.
What has become of my country when I can't trust family, government, law enforcement or my fellow citizens to not tread on my liberties or right to my own security and privacy of my person, family, possessions and papers?
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That is a terrible thing to say about your own son. You act as though he were dead, or that he is not worth loving anymore. Why did your son join the Army? Moreover, if you are this angry and averse to the President, then why did you allow him to join? Did he do so against your will? You are driving a wedge between you and your son, and it was only because he wanted to make you proud of him.
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Should he take up arms against you, the American people, to confiscate your arms, he will be "dead" to me. I will not consider him my son. He will not be welcome in my home again. I am a Vet. I swore to defend the constitution several times. My words are no different than our forefathers. It's high time you wrap your head around where you stand.
I had nothing to do with Sandy Hook or Aurora, etc. I am as appauled by the incident as any citizen, of course. My wife is a high school principal. I fear for her and her school's safety more than I do my own life. I want all violence to stop. I want more armed policemen in schools. I want less than lethal weapons accessible by teachers and administration. I want more physical security at schools like they have at courts now. That worked well.
I do not want confiscations except for felons and those on dangerous pharmaceuticals with statistically known side effects. This is what the narrative should be about. This is what would cause me to be supportive of meaningful measures to curb school violence. Simply emulate what courts and government entryways have done to address and reduce court violence over a decade ago. It has worked fairly well.
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I would have to agree with your suggestions, but please do not forsake your son. What is more important to you, your family or your country?
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No, moron. The thing is you are saying people can't go against the Constitution as it is today. But the fact that it ALLOWS change and allows amendments (which can later be removed) shows that discussion of change is not against the Constitution. You are trying to stop the process the Constitution allows, and that is where it is against the Constitution itself. It wants people to change things if the need comes, and not feel locked in. To say political speech is to be stopped if it goes against the current form of the Constitution is to go against that very Constitution which guarantees free political speech (and disagreement with the Constitution). You want to stop that. And that is where you fail to understand anything.
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What need is there to change the Second Amendment? Do you believe that restricting or eliminating it all together will reduce violence? It is clear to me you have never served in a military unit, because you do not rush into the teeth of your enemy's defense, you find their gaps. Violent people will still find a way to kill, and destroying the Second Amendment simply makes it easier for them to do so - because they know law abiding citizens will follows the rules, while they clearly will not, as evidenced by their desire to murder.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Again, moron, you are going with "I agree with it, so don't change it and if you try to change it, I find you an enemy." The Constitution doesn't. That is where you fail you moron. Whether or not there is a "need" is not the question of the Constitution itself. Fucking moron, you fucking fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3050697


Your childish antics are comical at best. What you fail to realize is that America will only survive as long as there are those willing to defend it. If we lose the principles of liberty and freedom, then we have already lost our country, AND our constitution. Your intentions are becoming clearer by the moment...
 Quoting: Rising Son


Childish? You are the one who is going against the Constitution in the name of the Constitution, which is what happens with a lot of morons. You are the one who thinks the rights currently in play can be stopped (freedom to criticize the Constitution, for example). You think we must limit ourselves to how it is now without ability to question and change it. I am not saying it should or should not be changed - I am pointing out your position runs against the Constitution and the right to criticize it and the right to try to change it. Would you have been willing to attack those who wanted to allow alcohol to return to common use when the Constitution didn't allow it? Tell them they are unAmerican?

The only child is you who holds on to a childish view: don't look to change things or else. Sorry fucktard, you fail.
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You do not appear capable of recognizing patterns, or intentions for that matter. Given your country of origin, I am not surprised. What you fail to see or understand is that tyranny does not come all at once, it comes as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Tyranny also does not only come when there is a politician from your opposing party in power. To any clear thinking man, this is an obvious sign that your judgement is compromised.

Here's a litmus test for whether or not your judgement is compromised.

Were you afraid of George W Bush, when he was in office? Did you fear he was subtly ushering in tyranny?

Probably not.

And yet, he was the man who introduced drastic, drastic challenges to your personal liberty, based on the premise of protecting you from harm. Sounds a lot like what you fear from the left, doesn't it?

And yet, you didn't feel this fear when GWB introduced the Patriot Act, the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security.

Are you even hearing these words? 'The Department of Homeland Security'. It couldn't sound more like the secret police of a Big Brother state if it tried. Full body scans, indefinite detainment without trial, the list is simply enormous.

All Bush.

Now ask yourself, did you feel the fear then? Or were you walking around whistling without a care in the world?

All of you people down there, you are all horribly, horribly brainwashed by your political system. The bizarre demonization both parties engage in simply doesn't exist in most 1st world countries.

The conspiracy occurring here is not in the left trying undermine your way of life. The conspiracy is that an entire nation has been convinced that the other 50% is fundamentally different from them and is leading them towards Armageddon.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Amen, It's mind body and soul and all tied in together... I truly believe the constitution of the United States of America was/is/always has been/a GOD inspired document. Second only to the Bible and the Torah..<<<why many hate it so much and want it destroyed.
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OP should request a transfer to the Marine equivalent of Military Intelligence. As a Christian American Warrior, he must be good with oxymorons.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Brother, Jesus taught peace and Love, but he hated the evil one and fought against those who tried to pervert his father’s house. Remember how he made a whip and beat them out of our Fathers house?

We as Christians must stand together and fight EVIL whenever we see it, whenever it rears its ugly head. Some are too weak or feeble to fight. Jesus doesn’t need pacifists now, he needs warriors, he has given you the skills you now have so you can fight in this holy war.

Remember what he says "'I know your works: you are neither cold nor hot. Would that you were either cold or hot!”
(Rev 3:15)

Those “Christians” will burn in Hell because they did not do as Christ told them to do, follow his fathers word.

You have to make a choice in the battle between Good and Evil, if you stand by and do nothing while another man does evil, you are as guilty as he is.

In Revelations from about 12 on its about war or at least it appears that way to me. A war waged in God’s name for god’s side. I may be wrong; I am a new Christian only beginning to understand the bible.

I know this however, God says in revelations if we stand by his name to the end, even to death, if we are on his side, he will not let us die a second death.

I think the time has come, all the signs are there, we can’t stand by idly, we have to choose a side, good or evil, that choice is yours to make, free will, but you will live or die according to that choice. The bible says Satan and his angels will burn for eternity and that’s not meant for humans, God loves us so much he sent his son to die for us, he gave us a second chance to repent.

I don’t think when you fight for God its wrong, but you can receive no word, from NO MAN, as to what you should do, ask God for guidance, pray nightly, daily for god to give you wisdom, and guidance. I pray that God will bless you and give you the guidance you seek.

Semper Fidelis my brother Marine, I pray for your guidance my brother Christian.
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OP should request a transfer to the Marine equivalent of Military Intelligence. As a Christian American Warrior, he must be good with oxymorons.
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sorry I should have said oxymorans.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!

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OP should request a transfer to the Marine equivalent of Military Intelligence. As a Christian American Warrior, he must be good with oxymorons.
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sorry I should have said oxymorans.
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Maybe you should have said nothing, what good did your comment do?

What was your ultimate goal?

How did your comment benefit anyone?
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What need is there to change the Second Amendment? Do you believe that restricting or eliminating it all together will reduce violence? It is clear to me you have never served in a military unit, because you do not rush into the teeth of your enemy's defense, you find their gaps. Violent people will still find a way to kill, and destroying the Second Amendment simply makes it easier for them to do so - because they know law abiding citizens will follows the rules, while they clearly will not, as evidenced by their desire to murder.
 Quoting: Rising Son


Again, moron, you are going with "I agree with it, so don't change it and if you try to change it, I find you an enemy." The Constitution doesn't. That is where you fail you moron. Whether or not there is a "need" is not the question of the Constitution itself. Fucking moron, you fucking fail.
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Your childish antics are comical at best. What you fail to realize is that America will only survive as long as there are those willing to defend it. If we lose the principles of liberty and freedom, then we have already lost our country, AND our constitution. Your intentions are becoming clearer by the moment...
 Quoting: Rising Son


Childish? You are the one who is going against the Constitution in the name of the Constitution, which is what happens with a lot of morons. You are the one who thinks the rights currently in play can be stopped (freedom to criticize the Constitution, for example). You think we must limit ourselves to how it is now without ability to question and change it. I am not saying it should or should not be changed - I am pointing out your position runs against the Constitution and the right to criticize it and the right to try to change it. Would you have been willing to attack those who wanted to allow alcohol to return to common use when the Constitution didn't allow it? Tell them they are unAmerican?

The only child is you who holds on to a childish view: don't look to change things or else. Sorry fucktard, you fail.
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I see I am now talking to a brick wall, I guess I should have expected as much. You make the mistake of assuming that I believe the constitution should NEVER be changed, and that it should stay as is. If a need arises for us to amend or add onto the constitution, then I welcome it, as long as it upholds the principles of our founding fathers. The desire to change the Second Amendment (which is what we are actually talking about) is misplaced and misguided. It is a emotional response to a searing tragedy, and it should be regarded as such. If you are insinuating that I do not want to debate this or that I am somehow opposed to the discourse surrounding this topic, then what are we doing here?

I hope you were able to read through my response before stamping out an emotional response, but I am afraid that you will let me down again. Please prove me wrong...
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Fair winds and following seas to you, devil dog.
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Again, moron, you are going with "I agree with it, so don't change it and if you try to change it, I find you an enemy." The Constitution doesn't. That is where you fail you moron. Whether or not there is a "need" is not the question of the Constitution itself. Fucking moron, you fucking fail.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3050697


Your childish antics are comical at best. What you fail to realize is that America will only survive as long as there are those willing to defend it. If we lose the principles of liberty and freedom, then we have already lost our country, AND our constitution. Your intentions are becoming clearer by the moment...
 Quoting: Rising Son


Childish? You are the one who is going against the Constitution in the name of the Constitution, which is what happens with a lot of morons. You are the one who thinks the rights currently in play can be stopped (freedom to criticize the Constitution, for example). You think we must limit ourselves to how it is now without ability to question and change it. I am not saying it should or should not be changed - I am pointing out your position runs against the Constitution and the right to criticize it and the right to try to change it. Would you have been willing to attack those who wanted to allow alcohol to return to common use when the Constitution didn't allow it? Tell them they are unAmerican?

The only child is you who holds on to a childish view: don't look to change things or else. Sorry fucktard, you fail.
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I see I am now talking to a brick wall, I guess I should have expected as much. You make the mistake of assuming that I believe the constitution should NEVER be changed, and that it should stay as is. If a need arises for us to amend or add onto the constitution, then I welcome it, as long as it upholds the principles of our founding fathers. The desire to change the Second Amendment (which is what we are actually talking about) is misplaced and misguided. It is a emotional response to a searing tragedy, and it should be regarded as such. If you are insinuating that I do not want to debate this or that I am somehow opposed to the discourse surrounding this topic, then what are we doing here?

I hope you were able to read through my response before stamping out an emotional response, but I am afraid that you will let me down again. Please prove me wrong...
 Quoting: Rising Son

Moron -- you said someone who is against the 2nd Amendment is anti-American and your enemy just for that. But if the Constitution allows for change that means people can be against its current form. And as for the question of "need," often the need might not be seen by many until discussion takes place. Silencing discussion until some "need" is had is against the Constitution too. YOU ARE AGAINST AMERICA. You are the one who is against the whole point of political free speech. You follow not the Constitution. Fuck off moron.
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Love your neighbor and your God with all your heart, the number one law. What's the best way for you to love your neighbor in this situation you're in? Therein lies your answer.
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Your childish antics are comical at best. What you fail to realize is that America will only survive as long as there are those willing to defend it. If we lose the principles of liberty and freedom, then we have already lost our country, AND our constitution. Your intentions are becoming clearer by the moment...
 Quoting: Rising Son


Childish? You are the one who is going against the Constitution in the name of the Constitution, which is what happens with a lot of morons. You are the one who thinks the rights currently in play can be stopped (freedom to criticize the Constitution, for example). You think we must limit ourselves to how it is now without ability to question and change it. I am not saying it should or should not be changed - I am pointing out your position runs against the Constitution and the right to criticize it and the right to try to change it. Would you have been willing to attack those who wanted to allow alcohol to return to common use when the Constitution didn't allow it? Tell them they are unAmerican?

The only child is you who holds on to a childish view: don't look to change things or else. Sorry fucktard, you fail.
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I see I am now talking to a brick wall, I guess I should have expected as much. You make the mistake of assuming that I believe the constitution should NEVER be changed, and that it should stay as is. If a need arises for us to amend or add onto the constitution, then I welcome it, as long as it upholds the principles of our founding fathers. The desire to change the Second Amendment (which is what we are actually talking about) is misplaced and misguided. It is a emotional response to a searing tragedy, and it should be regarded as such. If you are insinuating that I do not want to debate this or that I am somehow opposed to the discourse surrounding this topic, then what are we doing here?

I hope you were able to read through my response before stamping out an emotional response, but I am afraid that you will let me down again. Please prove me wrong...
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Moron -- you said someone who is against the 2nd Amendment is anti-American and your enemy just for that. But if the Constitution allows for change that means people can be against its current form. And as for the question of "need," often the need might not be seen by many until discussion takes place. Silencing discussion until some "need" is had is against the Constitution too. YOU ARE AGAINST AMERICA. You are the one who is against the whole point of political free speech. You follow not the Constitution. Fuck off moron.
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And here is one thing: you can think the desire to change the 2nd Amendment is wrong. And someone can think it is right. The Constitution allows both, you don't.You are a tyrant. The Constitution doesn't require a tyrant's ok to change it, or a subjective "need" for someone to ask critical questions. However, the need might be there. The thing is, that is not the question. The question is why you fucking want to be a tyrant and stop free political discourse -- the whole point of the Constitution and freedom was to allow dissent. You want to squash it in the name of anti-American. McCarthyism is anti-American to the extreme, all in the name of America. It's what you are doing, asshole.

So even if someone is misguided and wrong, it doesn't make them Anti-American to engage dissenting political thought. However, to remove their ability to engage it is.
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You do not appear capable of recognizing patterns, or intentions for that matter. Given your country of origin, I am not surprised. What you fail to see or understand is that tyranny does not come all at once, it comes as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Tyranny also does not only come when there is a politician from your opposing party in power. To any clear thinking man, this is an obvious sign that your judgement is compromised.

Here's a litmus test for whether or not your judgement is compromised.

Were you afraid of George W Bush, when he was in office? Did you fear he was subtly ushering in tyranny?

Probably not.

And yet, he was the man who introduced drastic, drastic challenges to your personal liberty, based on the premise of protecting you from harm. Sounds a lot like what you fear from the left, doesn't it?

And yet, you didn't feel this fear when GWB introduced the Patriot Act, the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security.

Are you even hearing these words? 'The Department of Homeland Security'. It couldn't sound more like the secret police of a Big Brother state if it tried. Full body scans, indefinite detainment without trial, the list is simply enormous.

All Bush.

Now ask yourself, did you feel the fear then? Or were you walking around whistling without a care in the world?

All of you people down there, you are all horribly, horribly brainwashed by your political system. The bizarre demonization both parties engage in simply doesn't exist in most 1st world countries.

The conspiracy occurring here is not in the left trying undermine your way of life. The conspiracy is that an entire nation has been convinced that the other 50% is fundamentally different from them and is leading them towards Armageddon.
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You have touched on the age old debate between liberty and security. While I did not agree with many of the things President Bush enacted, I would have to say that he never regarded his own countrymen as the enemy. Look at how this President has decided to demonize the NRA and anyone who supports them. These are not the actions of a uniter, they are clearly divisive.
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Ultimately, it is between you and the big man. You seem like a man of honour and you also seem like the type to protect those that can't protect themselves.It is certainly a dilemna that I hope you are never faced with as I am sure that you may already have some demons that you are dealing with.

Don't forget that you may have muscle memory that prevents you from contemplating whether or not to pull the trigger.

I heard something when I was in the Army; they can turn on the kill switch in people but they have not found a way to turn it off yet.


In any case, I know that God forgives.

Good luck to you.
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You do not appear capable of recognizing patterns, or intentions for that matter. Given your country of origin, I am not surprised. What you fail to see or understand is that tyranny does not come all at once, it comes as a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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Tyranny also does not only come when there is a politician from your opposing party in power. To any clear thinking man, this is an obvious sign that your judgement is compromised.

Here's a litmus test for whether or not your judgement is compromised.

Were you afraid of George W Bush, when he was in office? Did you fear he was subtly ushering in tyranny?

Probably not.

And yet, he was the man who introduced drastic, drastic challenges to your personal liberty, based on the premise of protecting you from harm. Sounds a lot like what you fear from the left, doesn't it?

And yet, you didn't feel this fear when GWB introduced the Patriot Act, the TSA, the Department of Homeland Security.

Are you even hearing these words? 'The Department of Homeland Security'. It couldn't sound more like the secret police of a Big Brother state if it tried. Full body scans, indefinite detainment without trial, the list is simply enormous.

All Bush.

Now ask yourself, did you feel the fear then? Or were you walking around whistling without a care in the world?

All of you people down there, you are all horribly, horribly brainwashed by your political system. The bizarre demonization both parties engage in simply doesn't exist in most 1st world countries.

The conspiracy occurring here is not in the left trying undermine your way of life. The conspiracy is that an entire nation has been convinced that the other 50% is fundamentally different from them and is leading them towards Armageddon.
 Quoting: CleverMoniker 19931300


You have touched on the age old debate between liberty and security. While I did not agree with many of the things President Bush enacted, I would have to say that he never regarded his own countrymen as the enemy. Look at how this President has decided to demonize the NRA and anyone who supports them. These are not the actions of a uniter, they are clearly divisive.
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Bush OFTEN looked at Americans as the enemy. However, what is more. YOU DO. You fucking look at people who disagree with you as the enemy. Fuck you asshole.
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. These are my honest feelings. First of all i do respect your intent of service to our country. It is noble. But in all honesty...what the military industrial complex has become is an abomanation. These are the people who folks call the illuminati. It is a group of bankers, politicians, certain religious sects, media outlets and corporations. I doubt they call themselves that....as there are too many cogs in the wheel. My personal opinion is that these people are fueled by greed. Greed of money. Greed of power. A human soul is delicate and can be corrupted by earthly things. Capitalism is great when implemented truly. The soul and mind can coexist. I can go on but... let me get to the heart of your post....your direction must come from your own intuition (soul) ...nobody else has the ability to create the story of your journey here but you. I hope you can take something out of these thoughts.
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Yes and why one need be very careful in swearing oaths.
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I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!
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I appreciate your service biscuits, but because you are not a Marine you don’t understand us.

What this Marine is asking is probably something every Marine asks himself at one time or another, they just don’t say it out loud.

On the outside we are professional killing machines who deal out more death and destruction than any other man you will ever see, but on the inside because we have a higher IQ than most in the army (my proof is the requirements to get into my beloved Corps) we might question the illegal orders given to us.

If you do not question illegal orders or ORDERS that go against the constitution and GOD then that person is truly the DISGRACE to the uniform and humankind.

I have combat tours too, but this isn’t a bragging fest circle jerk, its about a Marine who has a sincere question, if my TONE offends, I apologize, as I said I am a new Christian, but I know Christ hates evil and so do I, when someone calls someone a disgrace because they ask a question, it appears they want them to follow all orders blindly and following orders that go against our constitution and god is evil. So I guess we will see you fighting on Satan’s side.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
 Quoting: Rising Son


I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!
 Quoting: biscuits and gravy


Fair winds and following seas to you, devil dog.
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Hes not a Marine, so he hasnt earned the right to be called Devil Dog! LOL
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
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there r more soldiers in hell than martyrs in heaven
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Love your neighbor and your God with all your heart, the number one law. What's the best way for you to love your neighbor in this situation you're in? Therein lies your answer.
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God wants us to fight until the end, read revelations, but ultimately the answer comes from God, and his word, not from yours or mine opinions, he should ask God for guidance, and thats the answer.
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
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I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!
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Fair winds and following seas to you, devil dog.
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Hes not a Marine, so he hasnt earned the right to be called Devil Dog! LOL
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Real marines don't think like the op - they know the line of command. They don't attack the president, especially as a "marine."
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I am a United States Marine, and as such, I swore before God to defend the constitution of my founding fathers against all enemies, both foreign and domestic. However, I am also a Christian, bound to the commandments of my Father in Heaven, of which, I am not allowed to kill, and encouraged by Jesus Christ to turn the other cheek when struck. I put myself in this predicament by joining the US military, and I have to admit, I never thought I would reach this point of contention.

What I see today is an all-out assault on that very constitution that I swore to defend, and a concentrated effort to dismantle the Second Amendment through a series of seemingly benign measures at "curbing gun violence". On the surface, I feel that given my Christian background, I should join this effort, since the advertised goal of this endeavor is to save lives. Hence, I am brought into the horns of a dilemma once again, and I am torn between the obligation to defend the constitution, and my Christian obligation to protect human life.

However, I believe there is a darker and more sinister motive at work here, and it is not advertised nor easily identifiable. I am taught in the military to thoroughly study my enemy, to learn their ways and their tendencies, and to anticipate their actions. I know the enemy is taught to do the same, and to attack the gaps in my defenses, the weakest points in my lines. I believe that this administration is doing just that against the constitution and the American people, and is doing so under the ruse of genuine concern for American lives and the "unquestionable" mandate of the protection of our children.

Remember, this is the same administration that left Christopher Stevens and his defenders to fend for themselves, and to die at the hands of America's enemies because an altercation in Benghazi would have been detrimental to the success of their presidential campaign. Also remember that this administration cares very little for the lives of the unborn children in their support of abortion, and sees nothing wrong with the destruction of the most vulnerable members and citizens of this American nation.

So, I am left to decide what path I am to follow, and I know that I am not the only one who is confused with these choices. I swore my oath before God, and did so asking God's help to act as the moral authority in the validity of my oath ("So help me, God.") My fellow Americans, and my fellow brothers and sisters in Christ, what would you have me do? I need your help and guidance, as do my fellow brothers and sisters in arms - please help us understand where our moral authority is, and what is the right thing to do.
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I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!
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Fair winds and following seas to you, devil dog.
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Hes not a Marine, so he hasnt earned the right to be called Devil Dog! LOL
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Thanks, brother - I thought he sounded like an imposter...
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Moronic thread. The Constitution allows people to "go against the Constitution." That's why amendments can be made and removed. To say one can't go against the Second Amendment and be pro-Constitution is the position which is against the Constitution and founding fathers.
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This is the main line of thinking that is actively destroying our country, our republic but maybe more importantly the main course of human development since the enlightenment.

This idea of relativism, that our leaders are the wisest among us and that they have our best intentions at heart. They have the training and education to know what is best for us and if they decided to alter or change the principles upon which government is founded then it is the best for all of us.

I say the Declaration of Independence said it best,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This means there are principles to our form of government, they are unalienable, that means government cannot confer them or altar them in any way. As unpleasant as it may sound to statists, there are fundamental principles which cannot be changed or altered to suit the opinion of those in charge of defending those rights for the rest of us.

The collegiate universities that have taught this crap (constitutional relativism) for decades have done the greatest dis-service to this country.

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Moronic thread. The Constitution allows people to "go against the Constitution." That's why amendments can be made and removed. To say one can't go against the Second Amendment and be pro-Constitution is the position which is against the Constitution and founding fathers.
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This is the main line of thinking that is actively destroying our country, our republic but maybe more importantly the main course of human development since the enlightenment.

This idea of relativism, that our leaders are the wisest among us and that they have our best intentions at heart. They have the training and education to know what is best for us and if they decided to alter or change the principles upon which government is founded then it is the best for all of us.

I say the Declaration of Independence said it best,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This means there are principles to our form of government, they are unalienable, that means government cannot confer them or altar them in any way. As unpleasant as it may sound to statists, there are fundamental principles which cannot be changed or altered to suit the opinion of those in charge of defending those rights for the rest of us.

The collegiate universities that have taught this crap (constitutional relativism) for decades have done the greatest dis-service to this country.

.
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It's not relativism. The idea that humans a couple hundred years ago got things perfect goes against what THEY themselves said. Read Jefferson.
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I don't think GOD would want patriots to stand by and let this govt destroy the people who don't have the means to protect themselves.

I think Jesus would stand with those of us who would protect the senior citizen and the children who are being used as props by Obama and his ilk
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I have 6 combat Tours, If you truly are a Marine...which I highlly doubt, You are a Disgrace to that Uniform and No way in Hell are you allowed in my Fox Hole.

You would most assuredly receive friendly fire.

You can not be counted on in a Fire Fight!


I've had several Marines as augmentee's to my Patrols, they never ever sounded like you. You are a Total Disgrace to the Marine Corp.!

1 star and unpin this thread, I am outta here!
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Fair winds and following seas to you, devil dog.
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Hes not a Marine, so he hasnt earned the right to be called Devil Dog! LOL
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Real marines don't think like the op - they know the line of command. They don't attack the president, especially as a "marine."
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Anyone who takes the oath, knows what you swore to do. you swear to protect the CONSTITUTION, not the politicians no matter who they may be, and to protect to from all enemies both foreign and domestic. VERY SIMPLE, Marines dont swear an oath to blindly follow politicians who give illegal orders.
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Moronic thread. The Constitution allows people to "go against the Constitution." That's why amendments can be made and removed. To say one can't go against the Second Amendment and be pro-Constitution is the position which is against the Constitution and founding fathers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3050697


This is the main line of thinking that is actively destroying our country, our republic but maybe more importantly the main course of human development since the enlightenment.

This idea of relativism, that our leaders are the wisest among us and that they have our best intentions at heart. They have the training and education to know what is best for us and if they decided to alter or change the principles upon which government is founded then it is the best for all of us.

I say the Declaration of Independence said it best,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This means there are principles to our form of government, they are unalienable, that means government cannot confer them or altar them in any way. As unpleasant as it may sound to statists, there are fundamental principles which cannot be changed or altered to suit the opinion of those in charge of defending those rights for the rest of us.

The collegiate universities that have taught this crap (constitutional relativism) for decades have done the greatest dis-service to this country.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


It's not relativism. The idea that humans a couple hundred years ago got things perfect goes against what THEY themselves said. Read Jefferson.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3050697


Wrong, you didn't even bother to read what I wrote. Natural rights are unalienable, they are absolute. You are a relativist. You want us to think that principles are not principles but suggestions to fit into the context of history.

Sorry, but unalienable means just that non transferable, or unalienable, absolute. Some people just can't handle the idea that some things are absolute.

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