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Message Subject Moral Authority And The Dilemma Of The Christian American Warrior
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Moronic thread. The Constitution allows people to "go against the Constitution." That's why amendments can be made and removed. To say one can't go against the Second Amendment and be pro-Constitution is the position which is against the Constitution and founding fathers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3050697


This is the main line of thinking that is actively destroying our country, our republic but maybe more importantly the main course of human development since the enlightenment.

This idea of relativism, that our leaders are the wisest among us and that they have our best intentions at heart. They have the training and education to know what is best for us and if they decided to alter or change the principles upon which government is founded then it is the best for all of us.

I say the Declaration of Independence said it best,

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

This means there are principles to our form of government, they are unalienable, that means government cannot confer them or altar them in any way. As unpleasant as it may sound to statists, there are fundamental principles which cannot be changed or altered to suit the opinion of those in charge of defending those rights for the rest of us.

The collegiate universities that have taught this crap (constitutional relativism) for decades have done the greatest dis-service to this country.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


It's not relativism. The idea that humans a couple hundred years ago got things perfect goes against what THEY themselves said. Read Jefferson.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3050697


Wrong, you didn't even bother to read what I wrote. Natural rights are unalienable, they are absolute. You are a relativist. You want us to think that principles are not principles but suggestions to fit into the context of history.

Sorry, but unalienable means just that non transferable, or unalienable, absolute. Some people just can't handle the idea that some things are absolute.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 961432


Also, if you think that one man Jefferson embodied the principles of enlightenment then you are so skewed I probably shouldn't even be debating you. But since you remain ignorant I will make one more attempt.

Natural rights were a development of philosophical thought going all the way back to the magna carta and culminating in the late eighteenth century. I suggest you read some Locke, Bacon, or Rousseau. Also known as the Rationalists, these philosophers not only influenced our founding fathers they also brought us modern scientific thought and the rational method.

Please think before you post.

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