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THE REAL ISSUE IS NOT GUNS AT ALL--IT'S WAAAAY BIGGER

 
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.


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Nice of the one-star bandit to hit me right away!
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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Guess YOU would know!!!!
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you're right....if the 2nd is destroyed, all the rest will go quickly--what is left of them.
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the 2nd is the only thing left of the Constitution.

patriot act, ndaa, etc..

its gone.
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Spot on! 5*s
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight


First step is to disarm the people. The second step is to invade.

The only reason why the Soviets didn't try to invade the US was because they knew that every citizen was armed. Not only would they have to defeat the US military, they would also have to defeat the populous and that would be impossible. There is no way to defeat an army of 300 million. A well regulated militia is what keeps foreign armies at bay and it also keeps the US government from tyranny on its citizens.

WITHOUT A WELL REGULATED MILITIA, THERE IS NO CONSTITUTION.
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The second amendment was dismantled years ago.
You have to have a tax stamp to own a true assault riffle (fully automatic) but to get the stamp you have to be approved by the ATF which is a lot like being approved for a marijuana tax stamp by the government.
They already took assault riffles from the average citizen now they just want to take semi automatics.
We didn't do anything about automatics in a time when America was America.
Do you think we will do anything about semi automatics now?
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So in your reality the Constitution hasn't been destroyed yet?

No warrentless wiretapping.
No detention without charge.
No torture.
No illegal wars based on lies.
No attacks on the American people through false flags.
etc. etc.

I wish I lived there.
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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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The US is all that is standing between you and the firey furnance in your country.

Hope you like it hot down there.
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We will see after tomorrow haw fast and how bad it will get. Demonic takeover is soon. Even Lady GaGa is to perform for the demonic crowd.
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We've seen a slow erosion of our constitutional rights for a long time. Indefinite detention, warrant-less wiretapping and a thousand other things that have been enacted in recent years all designed to chip away the rights of the people.
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Civil Disobedience, Our government has become disobedient to all the laws of the land, perhaps it is our turn?

The Contract which was the Constitution of the United States has been broken.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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This statement is the very foundation for the creation of the Federal Government, yet numerous polls among other measures of a free, open and consenting governed show that this government is ruling in fact without our consent on so many different levels it's not even funny.
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Amendment I
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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The number of offenses to this amendment are once again almost too numerous to account for. Your freedom of speech has been muted to the extreme. The right to assemble has been done away with completely, unless you have a permit.
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H.R. 347, benignly titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, passed the House 399-3, means if you protest near the president you could face felony charges.


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This alone illustrates an illegal government who has violated the United States Constitution.
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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Shall not be infringed, it never said infringed a little, regulated just a tiny bit, or tweaked a little.
Shall not be infringed.
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With the new United Nations Gun Treaty, regulations, limitations, or the assault weapons ban that is being reintroduced, this is one of the last rights we have that is hanging on by a thread as of late.
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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Patriot act, TSA, 30,000 drones signed into law and ordered up, listening to our phone conversations, recording every keyboard stroke, keeping records of our DNA, and watching us all the time. We have no expectation of privacy any longer.
No one can say that this amendment has not been violated.
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Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

One word, NDAA. No trial. No Process.
Predator drone assassination of U.S. citizens by decree of the President.

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Amendment X
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Arizona enforcement of illegals crossing the boarder into their state.

Amendment XIII
Section 1.
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Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

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But we do have slavery, complete with a number stamped on us, and sold to the bankers in order to create more debt in our name on a daily basis. We are cattle, no more than slaves.
In 1912 there was no Federal Income tax, no national debt to speak of, and No Federal Reserve bank, now we are nothing more than taxed slaves, and yes slavery does exist in the United States. We are born into an ownership situation with no options to opt out and remain free. We are never asked if we wish to participate, or be responsible for the actions of this government. We are simply numbered and accounted for.
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Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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This one until proven otherwise in my mind is in clear violation. This man we have now pretending to be president, has failed to provide any proof of his birth certificate, and cannot even seem to show up in a court of law to show citizenship. He has placed himself above the law. Both of his parents were not natural born citizens. He is an illegal president. The most dangerous part of this, is that a man with that much power with that much over his head, could easily be controlled.
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The Sixteenth Amendment (1913) authorizes unapportioned federal taxes on income.
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This, is the one they can happily enforce, this is the one that they all can agree that cannot be violated. It is set in stone, and must never be averted. You must pay. Even if none of the above is followed or obeyed, even if they have all become outlaws, this is the one they will enforce at gun point with the threat of imprisonment. If you even talk about cutting this one off, it is considered treason. This is the one that extracts the money from you at times without your consent in order to pay for all the violations, and the police state mentioned above. As much as I've heard people gripe about all the things being done to them, this is the one that they comply with out of fear. ....
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So in your reality the Constitution hasn't been destroyed yet?

No warrentless wiretapping.
No detention without charge.
No torture.
No illegal wars based on lies.
No attacks on the American people through false flags.
etc. etc.

I wish I lived there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32591030


^^^^this^^^^^

thank you.
its like fucking bizarro land sometimes.
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Just putting this in to show the anti constitution arguments:

[link to www.nytimes.com]


The Constitution has seen better days.

Sure, it is the nation’s founding document and sacred text. And it is the oldest written national constitution still in force anywhere in the world. But its influence is waning.



What do they teach in American History nowadays? We were all evil colonial rapists back when I was in school...it can't be any better.
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the 2nd is the only thing left of the Constitution.

patriot act, ndaa, etc..

its gone.
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BUMP


2nd amendment is to protect all our rights.
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you're right....if the 2nd is destroyed, all the rest will go quickly--what is left of them.
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Yes sir,now is the time to make our will known
“One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” – Carl Sagan
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Declaration of Independence TIME!

It's over for everyone, even those who thought we would vote it back, or sanity would return and we would be ok because they wanted their pension, or their social security, or perhaps they were still running a business that was making some money. Bottom line, Amerika is collapsed. The Constitutuion no longer stands, lady liberty has been raped and left for dead, and many are still sitting around debating how the deck chairs should be arranged on the titanic, or what liberties we feel we may or may not want to be allowed to have by our rulers.

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The crowd in Washington are quietly selling our country to the Chinese. Heck, we are even starting to look more like China each day with the low wages and violations of our God given rights.
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you're right....if the 2nd is destroyed, all the rest will go quickly--what is left of them.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Yes sir,now is the time to make our will known
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I agree with Solid Snake. (Or is that Big Boss?)
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Its funny, the first responses to all these types of threads is always to try to put it down.

This is the biggest mistake I see paid shills making. The
y are too quick. Its because they have software that alerts them to certain keywords and they can respond right away. It makes them stand out as obvious paid shills.

I gave you 5 stars OP and I agree with you whole-heartedly.
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So in your reality the Constitution hasn't been destroyed yet?

No warrentless wiretapping.
No detention without charge.
No torture.
No illegal wars based on lies.
No attacks on the American people through false flags.
etc. etc.

I wish I lived there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32591030


^^^^this^^^^^

thank you.
its like fucking bizarro land sometimes.
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None of those things are law , they are criminal acts
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight


Everyone that's been posting pro 2nd amendment has stated this. You aren't telling us anything we didn't already know. But since the shills and antiguntards dont truly understand this, I'll give you 5 stars for effort.
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Here's the irony in all this. Every single one of the mass murders who has gone on a shooting spree has been under the influence of drugs, either illegal narcotics or legal pharmaceuticals. Instead of cracking down on drug use, the government is trying to push through drug decriminalization and at the same time attempting to criminalize firearms. That makes about as much sense as outlawing cars to cut down on DUI deaths.
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We will see after tomorrow haw fast and how bad it will get. Demonic takeover is soon. Even Lady GaGa is to perform for the demonic crowd.
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That legion filled harlot is performing?
Wow how that stuff has turned into a sick sick joke.

And as people already said 2nd is basically all you have left now, but you shouldn't be surprised when looking at what people are the judges of your land, over here we even have pedophiles in our Supreme Court and basically a criminals paradise here, where you can do 7 rapes but only be punished for 1 or do 50 robberies and only be punished for 1.

People here don't care about that stuff, so it's good to see at least a few people left on this planet that isn't demonic.
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When the constitution was written the citizens had the same exact firearms that the government had. That is the way it is supposed to be.

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