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THE REAL ISSUE IS NOT GUNS AT ALL--IT'S WAAAAY BIGGER

 
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Thats a 5 star! And lets bump this folks!
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Its funny, the first responses to all these types of threads is always to try to put it down.

This is the biggest mistake I see paid shills making. The
y are too quick. Its because they have software that alerts them to certain keywords and they can respond right away. It makes them stand out as obvious paid shills.

I gave you 5 stars OP and I agree with you whole-heartedly.
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A paid shill is in it for the money, it is a mercenary after all.
So if you're paid per post then the person will jump in quickly because that's how the money is made.
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Declaration of Independence TIME!

It's over for everyone, even those who thought we would vote it back, or sanity would return and we would be ok because they wanted their pension, or their social security, or perhaps they were still running a business that was making some money. Bottom line, Amerika is collapsed. The Constitutuion no longer stands, lady liberty has been raped and left for dead, and many are still sitting around debating how the deck chairs should be arranged on the titanic, or what liberties we feel we may or may not want to be allowed to have by our rulers.


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We need some people like this in charge! So much truth from one man.
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Civil Disobedience, Our government has become disobedient to all the laws of the land, perhaps it is our turn?

The Contract which was the Constitution of the United States has been broken.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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This statement is the very foundation for the creation of the Federal Government, yet numerous polls among other measures of a free, open and consenting governed show that this government is ruling in fact without our consent on so many different levels it's not even funny.
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Amendment I
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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The number of offenses to this amendment are once again almost too numerous to account for. Your freedom of speech has been muted to the extreme. The right to assemble has been done away with completely, unless you have a permit.
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H.R. 347, benignly titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, passed the House 399-3, means if you protest near the president you could face felony charges.


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This alone illustrates an illegal government who has violated the United States Constitution.
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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Shall not be infringed, it never said infringed a little, regulated just a tiny bit, or tweaked a little.
Shall not be infringed.
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With the new United Nations Gun Treaty, regulations, limitations, or the assault weapons ban that is being reintroduced, this is one of the last rights we have that is hanging on by a thread as of late.
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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Patriot act, TSA, 30,000 drones signed into law and ordered up, listening to our phone conversations, recording every keyboard stroke, keeping records of our DNA, and watching us all the time. We have no expectation of privacy any longer.
No one can say that this amendment has not been violated.
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Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

One word, NDAA. No trial. No Process.
Predator drone assassination of U.S. citizens by decree of the President.

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Amendment X
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Arizona enforcement of illegals crossing the boarder into their state.

Amendment XIII
Section 1.
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Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

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But we do have slavery, complete with a number stamped on us, and sold to the bankers in order to create more debt in our name on a daily basis. We are cattle, no more than slaves.
In 1912 there was no Federal Income tax, no national debt to speak of, and No Federal Reserve bank, now we are nothing more than taxed slaves, and yes slavery does exist in the United States. We are born into an ownership situation with no options to opt out and remain free. We are never asked if we wish to participate, or be responsible for the actions of this government. We are simply numbered and accounted for.
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Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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This one until proven otherwise in my mind is in clear violation. This man we have now pretending to be president, has failed to provide any proof of his birth certificate, and cannot even seem to show up in a court of law to show citizenship. He has placed himself above the law. Both of his parents were not natural born citizens. He is an illegal president. The most dangerous part of this, is that a man with that much power with that much over his head, could easily be controlled.
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The Sixteenth Amendment (1913) authorizes unapportioned federal taxes on income.
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This, is the one they can happily enforce, this is the one that they all can agree that cannot be violated. It is set in stone, and must never be averted. You must pay. Even if none of the above is followed or obeyed, even if they have all become outlaws, this is the one they will enforce at gun point with the threat of imprisonment. If you even talk about cutting this one off, it is considered treason. This is the one that extracts the money from you at times without your consent in order to pay for all the violations, and the police state mentioned above. As much as I've heard people gripe about all the things being done to them, this is the one that they comply with out of fear. ....
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When the constitution was written the citizens had the same exact firearms that the government had. That is the way it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6635190


The only way criminals operate is by force


Criminals are asking for trouble


and they will not accept the will of the people


enough of their sorceries and sacrifices


let them be seen for what they are and their end goals

blood smeared faces,greedy for more
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight


oh yeah
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
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The Constitution of the U.S. is the greatest human rights document ever written. It stands as such and the entire United Nations should be trying to protect it now.

Unfortunately, the human rights of the planet are going to be left in the hands of America. If an empire of freedom like America is brought down, then there is no hope for the rest of us.
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Declaration of Independence TIME!

It's over for everyone, even those who thought we would vote it back, or sanity would return and we would be ok because they wanted their pension, or their social security, or perhaps they were still running a business that was making some money. Bottom line, Amerika is collapsed. The Constitutuion no longer stands, lady liberty has been raped and left for dead, and many are still sitting around debating how the deck chairs should be arranged on the titanic, or what liberties we feel we may or may not want to be allowed to have by our rulers.


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We need some people like this in charge! So much truth from one man.
 Quoting: SLIPPERY NIPPPS


I think he'd make a good president.
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maybe this could be the reason
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Even some on the left are realizing this.

BILL MAHER: Doesn't anyone care that this is the new normal? I guess not, because gun nuts don't care, and neither do liberals. When Bush did warrantless wiretapping, 'Oh, he was wiping his ass with the Constitution.' But when Obama does it, 'Oh, well, whatever helps Jessica Chastain find bin Laden. We're good with that.'

Both parties compete mightily to appear to be the greater champion of our freedoms, but the only thing that still has bipartisan support in Washington is not giving a shit about privacy. And when you talk to the NRA types, as I like to do down at my local [unintelligible] -- they actually believe that what protects their rights isn't laws, or courts, is that's they have a gun. They think that's what keeps the government from going too far. Without guns, Obama would become emperor and force everyone to gay marry, but he can't because a guy in Kentucky named Skeeter has a .22.

Except that, while you guys were buying guns to protect your other guns, sitting up on the porch there, waiting for Obama's negro army to come confiscate your weapons and go all Django Unchained on your ass, that's when we lost all the stuff in the Bill of Rights about trials and juries and warrants. You see, the Redcoats, they never wanted your gun, they wanted your liberty. And that's why the Founding Fathers said you could have the gun, dumbass. And now, the only right we have left is the guns and nothing left to use the guns to protect. We're like a strip club with a million bouncers and no strippers. (HBO's Real Time, January 18, 2013)

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Fox news keeps the older dumbed down greatest generation in deep sleep
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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Shill. Don't comment on American matters- ill let you in on a secret, we dot give a FUCK about your opinion.


5* OP, because your very right.
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The constitution was drafted by masons, folks, I can understand why people look to it for salvation but it's not god, and from a common law point of view, if you weren't personally consulted nor agreed to this contract, it's not binding.

I suspect the reason they can ignore it is that it's not really a binding contract, more a 'tell them what they want to hear' statement - it's part of the culture of elites making decisions for their 'inferiors', full of fine sounding words and phrases, but dubious from a legal point of view.
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight




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Nice of the one-star bandit to hit me right away!
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The enemies of the constitution need to be rooted out, and hung for treason.
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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How much did they pay you to make that post?
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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Guess YOU would know!!!!
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Cut 'em some slack. He's an Oztard.

I spent almost a year in Australia, and I've never in my life seen so many backwards, rotten-toothed, brainless, and degenerate scumbags.

I find it amusing that they make fun of "rednecks" and "hillbillies" here in the USA, when the average redneck has 100 times more intelligence, common sense, and morals, than do these scrofulous turds in Australia.
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you're right....if the 2nd is destroyed, all the rest will go quickly--what is left of them.
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"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined."

Patrick Henry
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Hiya US buddies. I am a non gun carrying Ozzy. But dont let that colour your judgement.

All this talk about eroding your constitution. From an outsiders perspective, but extremely interested person, just about all these measures were prefaced with a few very powerful words -

"until which time, we see fit to reverse these temporary changes."

This crap started back in WW2, but the big slide, when your average Joe just stopped caring or understanding was when Nixon made his move in 1971, and 'temporarily' suspended the convertability of the US$ into gold, creating and endless free fall, resulting at the point you are at today. Just printing, and most importantly, FINDING JUSTIFIABLE REASONS TO PRINT MORE MONEY TO FUND THE MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX, as warned of by Ike, and reitterated by Kennedy.

The word temporary is what needs to be addressed, and it doesnt involve guns, just grass roots efforts to have these things over turned, because the threats arent there any more. In other words, re-stack the dominoes.

I think your gun issue today, and all the contrived and orchestrated events used to try to legislate against weapons, as they did here in OZ, is not about total dissarmament, but making sure the military (and I include the reserve forces and guard in this) ahead of the common man.

The right to bear arms is a critical part of your constitution, all be it a bit out dated by word terms, that ytou guys will NEVER let go of. Political suicide.

So legislating against semi auto and auto weapons just says to me that they ant to keep a measure of control.

That this is happening now, suggests something is on the way that will require a measure of control.

There has been enough ammo movements, body bags and caskets, troop redeployments, tank redeployments to indicate a known future event is about to take place.

My money is on Assumption Parish/Bayou Corne becoming the first sign of a collapse and erosion of salt structures, that will ultimately connect the GoM with the Great Lakes.

That would be a lot of displaced people, most of which will be carrying a weapon of some description.

Anyhow, just thought I'd put another perspective on this debate about guns.

Personally I just cant see why you need them, but you're in America, and I'm in OZ.

I hope you folks find your way through what ever is coming, and most importantly, when you get through it, restore your proud constitution and vote in people with integrity and honesty that care about the nation, not their wallet.
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Congress, both house write and pass laws that are unconstitutional. They carry a copy of the Constitution on their person but don't check to see if what they are writing is constitutional. It is what has got us in this mess!

If we went over all the laws they have passed they would be thrown out on constitutional grows. If a law doesn't line up with the constitution it is unconstitutional!

There use to be congress men that would let them know that it was unconstitutional on it head. Those men have passed with no one to replace them. In other word we haven't got anyone that knows or cares about what they pass!
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We've seen a slow erosion of our constitutional rights for a long time. Indefinite detention, warrant-less wiretapping and a thousand other things that have been enacted in recent years all designed to chip away the rights of the people.
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They now have the ability to lock you up or kill you, for literally ANYTHING they want.

And now, they are attempting to take away your ability to defend yourself from it.
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Easy for me to say this in the comfort of my home in OZ, but if you care for it, you gotta fight for it, either by voting and growing a grass roots action that hits a saturation point that matters, or revolt, and rise up as your ancestors did.

Neither way is easy, which is why things have eroded.

But you still have friends around the world who remember the US of old, and give a shit about its people.
It's all about the 'vibe'
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hate to break it to y'all but since 1938 the courts have been under silent judicial notice that the constitution is no longer in effect.

we are under admiralty law, uniform commercial code. that's why USA corp's flags have the gold fringe.

USA isn't even a country at this point, it is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA CORPORATION.
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If males feel badly just think how females feel now!

Females have never been free and were trying to work on those issues.
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I do believe the 1st amendment will be the next one to disappear. It kind of has already, in a way.
Occam's Razor, morans!
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It was all created to be destroyed. To be recreated. Annuit Coeptis Novus Ordo Seclorum. And now it burns to be reborn from the ashes. But you will probably not pass through the fire.
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How ignorant are our people who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.


Is there any hope?
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How ignorant are our people who swore an oath to uphold the Constitution.


Is there any hope?
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They are not ignorant. They are traitors and fully culpable.
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight



you're right....if the 2nd is destroyed, all the rest will go quickly--what is left of them.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Yep.
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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
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NO

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I do believe the 1st amendment will be the next one to disappear. It kind of has already, in a way.
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Weakened but not quite gone yet, princess, as long as we still have the second.

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