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THE REAL ISSUE IS NOT GUNS AT ALL--IT'S WAAAAY BIGGER

 
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this thread is shit... you dont even comprehend what bigger issues there are to cope with, how about reality?
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Far too many of us have little left to lose. Will you die on your feet or live on your knees?
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Stealing this from Chris Rock, but the real issues is bullets. Bare as many arms as you want, but ban bullets.
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Civil Disobedience, Our government has become disobedient to all the laws of the land, perhaps it is our turn?

The Contract which was the Constitution of the United States has been broken.
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We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
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This statement is the very foundation for the creation of the Federal Government, yet numerous polls among other measures of a free, open and consenting governed show that this government is ruling in fact without our consent on so many different levels it's not even funny.
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Amendment I
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
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The number of offenses to this amendment are once again almost too numerous to account for. Your freedom of speech has been muted to the extreme. The right to assemble has been done away with completely, unless you have a permit.
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H.R. 347, benignly titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, passed the House 399-3, means if you protest near the president you could face felony charges.


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This alone illustrates an illegal government who has violated the United States Constitution.
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Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
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Shall not be infringed, it never said infringed a little, regulated just a tiny bit, or tweaked a little.
Shall not be infringed.
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With the new United Nations Gun Treaty, regulations, limitations, or the assault weapons ban that is being reintroduced, this is one of the last rights we have that is hanging on by a thread as of late.
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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Patriot act, TSA, 30,000 drones signed into law and ordered up, listening to our phone conversations, recording every keyboard stroke, keeping records of our DNA, and watching us all the time. We have no expectation of privacy any longer.
No one can say that this amendment has not been violated.
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Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.

One word, NDAA. No trial. No Process.
Predator drone assassination of U.S. citizens by decree of the President.

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Amendment X
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The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

Arizona enforcement of illegals crossing the boarder into their state.

Amendment XIII
Section 1.
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Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

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But we do have slavery, complete with a number stamped on us, and sold to the bankers in order to create more debt in our name on a daily basis. We are cattle, no more than slaves.
In 1912 there was no Federal Income tax, no national debt to speak of, and No Federal Reserve bank, now we are nothing more than taxed slaves, and yes slavery does exist in the United States. We are born into an ownership situation with no options to opt out and remain free. We are never asked if we wish to participate, or be responsible for the actions of this government. We are simply numbered and accounted for.
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Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:
“ No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
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This one until proven otherwise in my mind is in clear violation. This man we have now pretending to be president, has failed to provide any proof of his birth certificate, and cannot even seem to show up in a court of law to show citizenship. He has placed himself above the law. Both of his parents were not natural born citizens. He is an illegal president. The most dangerous part of this, is that a man with that much power with that much over his head, could easily be controlled.
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The Sixteenth Amendment (1913) authorizes unapportioned federal taxes on income.
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This, is the one they can happily enforce, this is the one that they all can agree that cannot be violated. It is set in stone, and must never be averted. You must pay. Even if none of the above is followed or obeyed, even if they have all become outlaws, this is the one they will enforce at gun point with the threat of imprisonment. If you even talk about cutting this one off, it is considered treason. This is the one that extracts the money from you at times without your consent in order to pay for all the violations, and the police state mentioned above. As much as I've heard people gripe about all the things being done to them, this is the one that they comply with out of fear. ....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2164887


When the constitution was written the citizens had the same exact firearms that the government had. That is the way it is supposed to be.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6635190


The only way criminals operate is by force


Criminals are asking for trouble


and they will not accept the will of the people


enough of their sorceries and sacrifices


let them be seen for what they are and their end goals

blood smeared faces,greedy for more
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27249705


Amen, I'm about sick of this rite now... When will the rubber band snap??? I think I see it stretching now. Minus the duct tape..gasp
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight


Yes. We realize.
Janus198
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Nice of the one-star bandit to hit me right away!
 Quoting: telling it straight


With that one star you know that you have won. Good post OP
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

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"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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The second amendment is all we have left of the constitution. Get ready.
"We're chained to the world and we all gotta pull." - Tom Waits
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01/20/2013 04:24 AM
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14296678


troll bait from WAY under, Kay?
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01/20/2013 04:25 AM
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Stealing this from Chris Rock, but the real issues is bullets. Bare as many arms as you want, but ban bullets.
 Quoting: JohnC 19603600


you can use ROCKSALT in a 12guage, and it won't kill but it's very painful, check into it! ;D
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FUCK YOU and your guns.

stfu already

granny


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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32621922


The Constitution of the U.S. is the greatest human rights document ever written. It stands as such and the entire United Nations should be trying to protect it now.

Unfortunately, the human rights of the planet are going to be left in the hands of America. If an empire of freedom like America is brought down, then there is no hope for the rest of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29547371


the united CRIMINAL nations, the un is an UNamerican as it GETS, soon it will be moved to a different country, or will just the country be different.

remember shrubpuss said it best when he stated that the Constitution was just A GOD DAMN PIECE OF PAPER.

WHILE HE WAS STITTING IN OFFICE!!!

ANY ENLISTED MEN out there ?? well they aren't UNDER the Constitution, SO THERE YOU GO.
look into it .. enlisted have NO RIGHTS under the Constitution, apparently even AFTER they've become civilians again . ..
What a racket ..
s226
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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32621922


The Constitution of the U.S. is the greatest human rights document ever written. It stands as such and the entire United Nations should be trying to protect it now.

Unfortunately, the human rights of the planet are going to be left in the hands of America. If an empire of freedom like America is brought down, then there is no hope for the rest of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29547371


Your hope should not lie in your nation, but in your God.

All nations are transient, they always have been. However, God and His kingdom are eternal. If everyone would put their faith in God, the issues of national tyranny and economic collapse would be solved.

But that is not the way of life on this planet today, unfortunately. And so, the inhabitants of Amerika will suffer immensely and needlessly, as the nation continues to rebel against God.
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this thread is shit... you dont even comprehend what bigger issues there are to cope with, how about reality?
 Quoting: sararyan


Great observation there, bud. Real nice.
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Exactly correct Op. screw the stars. I give you an A+.
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you seriously need to get of the internet. its messing with your head.

THE REAL ISSUE IS PEOPLE ADDICTION TO THE INTERNET
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How much did they pay you to make that post?
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$1.50

I think they got gypped.
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Do we realize that the real issue is abolishing the Constitution?

Sure, making us defenseless is all part of the agenda--no question--but the bigger goal is something MUCH more nefarious.

Realize that if they are successful in bypassing our rule of law and eliminating the 2nd Amendment, it won't stop there.

This will ultimately end with our Constitution being completely dismantled and our freedoms taken from us and the America we knew will cease to exist.

Whether one agrees with the 2nd amendment or not, we must no silently let our country be dismantled by Executive Order.

Demand the rule of law be followed. Demand the Constitution be upheld.

Hold those who swore to follow the Constitution accountable to their oath.

SPEAK UP BEFORE WE CAN'T.

 Quoting: telling it straight


Waaay bigger, as in igniting a violent civil war / national conflict using disgruntled gun owners?
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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32621922


The Constitution of the U.S. is the greatest human rights document ever written. It stands as such and the entire United Nations should be trying to protect it now.

Unfortunately, the human rights of the planet are going to be left in the hands of America. If an empire of freedom like America is brought down, then there is no hope for the rest of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29547371


the united CRIMINAL nations, the un is an UNamerican as it GETS, soon it will be moved to a different country, or will just the country be different.

remember shrubpuss said it best when he stated that the Constitution was just A GOD DAMN PIECE OF PAPER.

WHILE HE WAS STITTING IN OFFICE!!!

ANY ENLISTED MEN out there ?? well they aren't UNDER the Constitution, SO THERE YOU GO.
look into it .. enlisted have NO RIGHTS under the Constitution, apparently even AFTER they've become civilians again . ..
What a racket ..
s226
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31807863


yeah, it's all a 'legal' racket, all 'legal' it's only words on a piece of paper and THEY know that, you need to understand what they know, it's not alive, it has no soul, it's not breathing.
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^ hadn't quite finished my post there.

It's a legal fiction, they know it, but you don't.
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We've seen a slow erosion of our constitutional rights for a long time. Indefinite detention, warrant-less wiretapping and a thousand other things that have been enacted in recent years all designed to chip away the rights of the people.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5049310


They now have the ability to lock you up or kill you, for literally ANYTHING they want.

And now, they are attempting to take away your ability to defend yourself from it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31673566

Bingo!

You get the "I got a clue" prize!

Thanks for seeing clearly what most people cannot.

Goofy Thum

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this thread is shit... you dont even comprehend what bigger issues there are to cope with, how about reality?
 Quoting: sararyan

Care to share your concerns about the bigger issues?
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5*

Far too many of us have little left to lose. Will you die on your feet or live on your knees?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9353956

Many people don't realize there is a 3rd option:

3. Vote with your feet.
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FUCK YOU and your guns.

stfu already

granny


granny


granny


granny


granny
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32634124

Your jealousy is showing.

Get over it.
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Just putting this in to show the anti constitution arguments:

[link to www.nytimes.com]


The Constitution has seen better days.

Sure, it is the nation’s founding document and sacred text. And it is the oldest written national constitution still in force anywhere in the world. But its influence is waning.



What do they teach in American History nowadays? We were all evil colonial rapists back when I was in school...it can't be any better.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


Believe it or not kids today are learning that Communism is GOOD, Democracy is BAD because of the greed capitalism produces. Nothing about Stalin's murders of millions or the repression of the people....America is bad anything else is better.

Heartbreaking to see what my nieces and nephews have been taught. Ingrained in them steadily through all their years of brainwashing in the public school system. They are ready for something "better" than the Constitution. Means nothing to them. They have no patriotic loyalty or attachment to the America I knew.
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5*

Far too many of us have little left to lose. Will you die on your feet or live on your knees?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9353956

Many people don't realize there is a 3rd option:

3. Vote with your feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32609423


Yeah, wait until you see what happens when you try to take YOUR money out of this country.
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5*

Far too many of us have little left to lose. Will you die on your feet or live on your knees?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9353956

Many people don't realize there is a 3rd option:

3. Vote with your feet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32609423


Yeah, wait until you see what happens when you try to take YOUR money out of this country.
 Quoting: telling it straight

People and corporations do it every day. (especially the BIG corporations when they outsource factories overseas)

Some capital controls have begun, but it's not too late yet.

For now.

But soon it will be too late.

Once the new Iron Curtain falls into place.
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maybe this could be the reason
[link to youtu.be]
 Quoting: donpldp


Saw this when it came out...will watch again.
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the Constitution is a defeated relict.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32621922


The Constitution of the U.S. is the greatest human rights document ever written. It stands as such and the entire United Nations should be trying to protect it now.

Unfortunately, the human rights of the planet are going to be left in the hands of America. If an empire of freedom like America is brought down, then there is no hope for the rest of us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29547371


That's the thing that makes me the saddest about all of this.
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maybe this could be the reason
[link to youtu.be]
 Quoting: donpldp


Saw this when it came out...will watch again.
 Quoting: telling it straight


Just watched the whole thing. Smart man.
You can educate the ignorant, but you can't fix stupid!
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The education system has been programming the dimwitted to react just as they have been, it was the plan:



In a country populated with idiots, stupidity will always rule. Yeah let us get rid of the foundation of this nation (Constitution) and replace it with a bag of shit so we can begin anew. Great plan.

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