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Prometheus2: VATICAN'S secret is NOT "Why did the Pope Resign?" They were standing on it as they elected the new Pope!

 
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Edited: 1/20/2013 2nd video released & content!
Edited: 1/21/2013 change title!

To "GET" the full mood of this thread--PLEASE watch
this movie trailer first (The Matrix)....Why?
...Because this discovery by Danny Wilten is reality changing! Wow!
[link to www.youtube.com]

WILTEN'S PROOF that the Vatican certainly has had
at least SOME information about the Orion Nebula--
even back in the time of Michealangelo, can be seen
in this beautiful video (CLUE: THE CENTER SHAPES of
all the paintings in this over-view are the exact
shape of the Orion Nebula Trapezium! Wow!)
called "Tribute to Danny Wilten" by JulieStreet377

[link to www.youtube.com]
Many of these paintings with the Orion Nebula in
stills can be found at: www.OrionintheVatican.com

...So, now you can see there can be NO DOUBT that
the Vatican has major info about the Orion Nebula!
It is all over the Vatican and their cathedrals.

This NEXT VIDEO is your RED PILL!
NOW THIS....

Danny Wilten's 1/19/2013 UTUBE Channel video:
Orion Nebula TRAPEZIUM & Wilten's explaining WHY...
A VATICAN COVER-UP!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

You can EASILY HEAR WILTEN'S OWN EXCITEMENT as he shows the correlations he has found!!
Danny states: "This is the most AMAZING thing I have seen in my life!"
UPDATE 1/23/2013: Wilten releases NEW Orion/w brain & human face! (This video really helped me see everything better WOW! Please watch this next!)
[link to www.youtube.com]


Wilten--IN HIS ON-GOING RESEARCH FOR 2 YEARS--has found an uncanny match--between the symbolism in many GREAT FRESCOS & PAINTINGS OF THE VATICAN, the "fractal" patterns in the NASA photos of Orion Nebula Trapezium (matching earth-based pictures and landmarks) so that his research leads him to the THIS CONCLUSION to date 1/20/2013!! Wilten's exhaustive 2-yr. research exploring the mysteries of the Orion Nebula and the HUMAN BODY is obviously dynamic and on-going!

Recall: "As Above--So Below"


I watched the above videos and was at once reminded of the
old 60's movie: "The Fantastic Voyage" starring
Donald O'Connell, Racquel Welch and Arthur Kennedy.
FANTASTIC VOYAGE movie trailer:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Is EARTH a CELL in a collective cosmos?

Wilten's work has been extremely popular this year
with Danny's research hosted in a thread by GLP's Abhie --"Wow! 'Celestial' Nile discovered! This will blow your mind!running into its 7th month. Here is the link:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

While Danny's research has become more and more refined
over the months, the announcement by Wilten, today, however
is his first out of his "comfort zone" where he actually
pins down a 100% correlation MATCH and his theory!

For me, then....these videos are exactly like this:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Hope you enjoy this!
Cheers!
SK

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 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing

This is a review of page one (Pg.1) because I have
edited it several times to bring you NEW video
releases by Danny Wilten on this discovery.

This is his latest video which also includes an
overlay of a face to help you visualize what he is
trying to bring forward in the Orion Nebula!
[link to www.youtube.com]

I also thought that I would post the link to the
1966 movie: "Fantastic Voyage" as it shows the human
organs in an artist's concept of what looking from
the vantage point of a microbe might be like!
Hope you enjoy this thread!

[link to www.youtube.com]
Cheers!
SK

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The writings on the wall... :)

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bookmarked for later study. Gotta sleep!
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Maybe the pyramids aligning perfectly with orion's belt is starting to make sense now?

I mean those were some pretty magnificent structures that were built with precision, and mathematically precise as well.. Those were not primitive people.

And all along we just thought they were star worshipers ;)
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Maybe the pyramids aligning perfectly with orion's belt is starting to make sense now?

I mean those were some pretty magnificent structures that were built with precision, and mathematically precise as well.. Those were not primitive people.

And all along we just thought they were star worshipers ;)
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Thanks Anon! My feelings exactly! I still think that
the Jury is out--as they say--as far as WHAT the
Egyptians were worshipping in the heavens in the Orion
Nebula. No, they certainly were not primitive at all!
Thanks for sharing....more will be revealed....
Cheers!
SK


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Re: Prometheus2: VATICAN'S secret is NOT "Why did the Pope Resign?" They were standing on it as they elected the new Pope!
Edited: 1/20/2013 2nd video released & content!
Edited: 1/21/2013 change title!

To "GET" the full mood of this thread--PLEASE watch
this movie trailer first (The Matrix)....Why?
...Because this discovery by Danny Wilten is reality changing! Wow!
[link to www.youtube.com]

WILTEN'S PROOF that the Vatican certainly has had
at least SOME information about the Orion Nebula--
even back in the time of Michealangelo, can be seen
in this beautiful video (CLUE: THE CENTER SHAPES of
all the paintings in this over-view are the exact
shape of the Orion Nebula Trapezium! Wow!)
called "Tribute to Danny Wilten" by JulieStreet377

[link to www.youtube.com]
Many of these paintings with the Orion Nebula in
stills can be found at: www.OrionintheVatican.com

...So, now you can see there can be NO DOUBT that
the Vatican has major info about the Orion Nebula!
It is all over the Vatican and their cathedrals.

This NEXT VIDEO is your RED PILL!
NOW THIS....

Danny Wilten's 1/19/2013 UTUBE Channel video:
Orion Nebula TRAPEZIUM & Wilten's explaining WHY...
A VATICAN COVER-UP!!
[link to www.youtube.com]

You can EASILY HEAR WILTEN'S OWN EXCITEMENT as he shows the correlations he has found!!
Danny states: "This is the most AMAZING thing I have seen in my life!"
UPDATE 1/23/2013: Wilten releases NEW Orion/w brain & human face! (This video really helped me see everything better WOW! Please watch this next!)
[link to www.youtube.com]


Wilten--IN HIS ON-GOING RESEARCH FOR 2 YEARS--has found an uncanny match--between the symbolism in many GREAT FRESCOS & PAINTINGS OF THE VATICAN, the "fractal" patterns in the NASA photos of Orion Nebula Trapezium (matching earth-based pictures and landmarks) so that his research leads him to the THIS CONCLUSION to date 1/20/2013!! Wilten's exhaustive 2-yr. research exploring the mysteries of the Orion Nebula and the HUMAN BODY is obviously dynamic and on-going!

Recall: "As Above--So Below"


I watched the above videos and was at once reminded of the
old 60's movie: "The Fantastic Voyage" starring
Donald O'Connell, Racquel Welch and Arthur Kennedy.
FANTASTIC VOYAGE movie trailer:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Is EARTH a CELL in a collective cosmos?

Wilten's work has been extremely popular this year
with Danny's research hosted in a thread by GLP's Abhie --"Wow! 'Celestial' Nile discovered! This will blow your mind!running into its 7th month. Here is the link:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

While Danny's research has become more and more refined
over the months, the announcement by Wilten, today, however
is his first out of his "comfort zone" where he actually
pins down a 100% correlation MATCH and his theory!

For me, then....these videos are exactly like this:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Hope you enjoy this!
Cheers!
SK

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Dude. You have been watching too many episodes of Ancient Aliens!
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Well, I don't know about all of this but that gigapan pic of the orion nebula has some pretty freaky stuff in it...
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And I don't see what he's talking about.

You can take an MRI of the knee and match points to a cloud if you wanted.


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^^^This.
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No thoughts on this? Anyone?

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Yes Op, back in easter 1994 I had a dream I was travelling through space, I then noticed I was travelling towards the three stars of Orion, I passed the stars and went through the nebula ending up in the center.
Once in the center there was a huge faceted crystal with a spiral point on the top and on the bottom, which resembled unicorn horns, I just looked at it for a few seconds before being jolted awake.
This was a period of awakening for me at the age of 33.
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No thoughts on this? Anyone?

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Yes Op, back in easter 1994 I had a dream I was travelling through space, I then noticed I was travelling towards the three stars of Orion, I passed the stars and went through the nebula ending up in the center.
Once in the center there was a huge faceted crystal with a spiral point on the top and on the bottom, which resembled unicorn horns, I just looked at it for a few seconds before being jolted awake.
This was a period of awakening for me at the age of 33.
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Hmm, having just looked up trapezeum I came across this, a "Horse Conch" [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The title of this thread implies that something about the Orion Nebula being conscious is the "Vatican's Biggest SECRET".

To me, it sounds like something that the Vatican itself would want people to believe.

Why?

Because such a finding is utterly harmless to Christian theology.

It makes NO difference whatsoever one way or the other whether the Orion Nebula is conscious. (Of course it is conscious; the metaphysical duality being the original flaw: the entire physical reality is conscious, but not with the consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker'.)

On the other hand, were it to be widely known that the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Jesus; the entire edifice of Christian theology would collapse inasmuch as the Hymns conclusively demonstrate that the Doctrine of "resurrection" was taught by Jesus as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'. (And another "Vatican ...SECRET" would be that tens of thousands of Albigensians were exterminated for teaching precisely the same Doctrine that Jesus taught.)

So amuse yourself if you want about the Orion Nebula being conscious; but it has NOTHING to do with the "Vatican's biggest SECRET".

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Amazing how Christianity fears the possibility that the writings of Isa himself actually survived.
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The title of this thread implies that something about the Orion Nebula being conscious is the "Vatican's Biggest SECRET".

To me, it sounds like something that the Vatican itself would want people to believe.

Why?

Because such a finding is utterly harmless to Christian theology.

It makes NO difference whatsoever one way or the other whether the Orion Nebula is conscious. (Of course it is conscious; the metaphysical duality being the original flaw: the entire physical reality is conscious, but not with the consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker'.)

On the other hand, were it to be widely known that the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Jesus; the entire edifice of Christian theology would collapse inasmuch as the Hymns conclusively demonstrate that the Doctrine of "resurrection" was taught by Jesus as a Doctrine of 'Rebirth'. (And another "Vatican ...SECRET" would be that tens of thousands of Albigensians were exterminated for teaching precisely the same Doctrine that Jesus taught.)

So amuse yourself if you want about the Orion Nebula being conscious; but it has NOTHING to do with the "Vatican's biggest SECRET".

Michael
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I can respect your point of view, Michael. I'd certainly
have to agree that the layers of secrecy which the original church had as Rome formed the church at the Council of Nicea in the 3rd/4th centuries must have been....both...
(and who knows how much more?) Both the secrets of Orion AND REINCARNATION are hugely important features of our human history that we have the right to under stand.

I believe that you can't really separate their keeping Orion a huge secret--as a separate category of "secrets"-- over suppressing the truth about reincarnation, as at some level they MUST be connected. But I wouldn't want the measure of which Vatican secret is the MOST SECRET based on how many bodies are counted up in the end of the debate!

The truth is, Michael, that the discovery of the Orion Trapezium link to the Vatican and what the Orion Mysteries entail have not been thoroughly studied as yet. This is all new information based on NASA's Hubble Telescope--something the common man has not had as a tool in finding our way through the riddle we've been given for our religion through 1,000s of years! What this thread is attemptimg to do is just raise the flag with a resounding: "Hey! Guys! Look at this!"

It's an absolutely astounding discovery. It has implications for our own consciousness, how we are all connected (collective consciousness) and presents the quesstion of why this info has been hidden for so long by the early Church. Maybe one day the Catholic Church will come forward with what they know about Orion. I hope I'm around to hear THAT announcement!

Please review this video--what would be your specific points in each case? Do you think the video of Wilten's
research of all these paintings and symbols with dozens of exmaples for clues ACTUALLY DOES SHOW that the Vatican KNOWS about the Orion Nebula--hidden in plain sight--but does NOT wish to share their knowledge with the world?

[link to www.youtube.com]
Thanks for posting. You make a very good point here.
Cheers!
SK


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Amazing how Christianity fears the possibility that the writings of Isa himself actually survived.
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It is not merely a "possibility".

More than 30 years of research into the Thanksgiving Hymns and the Scroll of the War of the Sons of Light have demonstrated that that is the only reasonable conclusion.

But can I get any of my research published in the 'official' journals of Dead Sea Scrolls research?

Are you kidding me?

The people who edit those journals are precisely the same people that the Dead Sea Scrolls were hidden from in the first place in order that they not be destroyed.

By their financial considerations-based interpretations of the Scrolls, they have, in fact, reburied them.

It is as if they were never discovered at all.

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any-way the central theory of Gods/Dawn led to from the pyramid surveys and information decoded, was that the Orion Nebula had over the course of billions of years become conscious!
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First of all, it is an utterly ridiculous assertion.

How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place?

Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith.

It's called the metaphysical duality; which says that the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' are separate from the physical reality.

In fact, there is a non-spatial and non-temporal consciousness which exists prior to the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Secondly, when you say that the Orion Nebula "had...become conscious", what do you mean by the term "conscious"?

Is that a poetic truth for you or a scientific truth?

Do you mean that it is capable of self-reflection?

If you are trying to make a scientific statement, where is the evidence of that kind of consciousness?

In other words, is there any more evidence for you term "conscious" than there is for the word "ether"?

If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that.

Michael
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Michael, as you well know, science does not dive into the idea of consciousness. You yourself made that quite clear by contradicting yourself.

"How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place? Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith."
- Michael (You)

And now your contradiction...
"If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that."
- Michael (You)


So can you please direct me to the scientific research involving repeatable instances where subjects had their nervous systems completely removed and died and then returned to log data into your test case details based on your faith consciousness without the physical nervous system is not possible?

As far as the importance and the theory that this area is conscious, we do not need to travel the path of left brain only, unconscious, modern science to discuss what is so readily and consistently ignored. But we can look at what has been presented to us. Interestingly, science is always still catching up to hermetic philosophy but it still has a long way to go.

So lets take a look at the evidence. Of course some of this evidence assumes that the average person has the ability to perform pattern matching beyond a circle and a square and a reasonable ability to perform associations.



As far as the pseudoscience "Pareidolia" ...
How does one know which key on their key ring is their car key vs. their house key?
How does one determine their car parked in a parking lot of 1000 cars?
Don't many cars look the same?

(See, this argument of seeing what you want to breaks down quite easily once a simple analogy is used.)

How do you recognize your favorite shoes, shirt, jeans, etc. ?
From your friends face vs. a gorilla?
Why are two circles and a line underneath called Pareidolia, but a yellow circle with a curve underneath and dimples considered a "smiley face"? There is really no difference but a change in color and the curve of the line.



But this is really not about the mythical and pseudoscience of Pareidolia. This is about pattern matching which means you must have something to compare against. So, given a person has the ability to perform complex pattern matching, then the next step is to allow right brain expression to endure long enough to search out repeatability without the left brain killing expression. This is the problem of left brain science. Great!


So, I think we are all intelligent enough then to see the logic here so lets see what we have been presented.

History:
1. Mayan 3 hearthstones and the area of creation called Heart of Sky (Orion Nebula). This area was also related to the maize god that would be resurrected. The Mayan Popol Vuh describes the tale of Heart of Sky as acts of thinking. "And so heart of sky thinks..."
[link to sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net]

2. The gnostics looked to the Trapezium area as the anthropos and beheld human identity in a cosmic, preterrestiral form.
[link to books.google.com]

3. Consistent pattern matches of this area in many cathedrals and including "The Creation of Adam" showing the Orion Nebula giving Adam the "Spark" of life as if traveling across a synapse.
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4. The ancient egyptians understood the man cosmos -- the anthropocosm.

"The symbolic attitude of ancient knowledge cultivated the
intellect to the extent of perceiving all of the phenomena of nature itself as a symbolic writing revealing the forces and laws governing the energetic and even spiritual aspects of our universe." - R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz (Ancient Egypt Science and the Evolution Of Consciousness)

The ancients did exactly what I have done and pointed us to this area specifically. The ancients saw the universe as different scales of man. Using the Orion Correlation first discovered by Robert Bauval, we build onto it showing that the Egyptians revered this area of the cosmos. The pyramids served as a marker for the larger Nile Delta that matches the Orion Nebula Trapezium as found in the churches.
[link to sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net]


This means the churches established a pattern and once ingrained it was easy to see when once one zooms out to the Nile Delta. The trapezium in the Orion Nebula also mimics man made recent development. Not natural fractals. This yields yet another argument for a conscious action. The Nile and Nile Delta also show a correspondence to the human nervous system with special emphasis placed on the center of the Nile Delta (Busiris) and also the location of the Pineal Gland.
[link to sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net]

There is a direct correspondence based on pattern matching between the human nervous system and the Nile and Nile Delta, and the Trapezium to the Pineal Gland tying art and geography to the brain as well.

Orion is also tied to Osiris... also a resurrection god like the Mayans discussed. Others including Ellen White have put their version of the resurrection god tied to this area. Whether you like her or not, she is consistent with the story.





5. The level of detail and proportion as discussed was highly detailed with proportional features. Originals and overlays were shown side by side for easy comparison. I submit to anyone if they do not believe such a comparison can be made then I highly recommend if you incur a brain injury to never allow a surgeon to operate as he/she would be confused and not know what to look at.



6. There are biblical accounts as well...

Amos 5:8 "Seek him who made Orion and Pleiades..."
[link to sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net]

Rev 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."
[link to sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net]

What does "Son of" mean?


It means similar to or alike. Therefore the Orion Nebula is LIKE MAN. The Son of Man has many instances being pointed to as Orion..
[link to www.usbible.com]


7. "O Asclepios, that Egypt is the image of heaven, or rather, that it is the projection below of the order of things above?" - Hermes

Is Hermes suggesting here that indeed "we" are the projection and the order of things "above" is what is causing the projection?

"Egypt is the temple of the world..." - Hermes

The temple of the ancient Egyptians were seen as symbols of the anthropocosm and also represented man in a metaphysical and physical form.


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There are many instances of repeatability that would point to the idea that this area is conscious and DOES self reflect and it is given by associations across culture, in cathedrals across Europe, and even geography. It is also a planetary nebula which is where things like humans come from.

The idea that conscious means ones must have a so called "physical nervous system" as you put, is laughable. So called "science" cannot even accurately measure the age of stars yet place their "faith" in determining their all the time without having any real data to back this up. The radioactive isotopes they WERE using to gauge this screwed up their equation when they recently discovered the sun changes the half life of these isotopes. Therefore, "science" is no different in its conclusions. We assume because they use heavy math, that they must know something. However, they change their equations consistently, always ever revamping and creating paradoxes to bandaid what they do not know.

Therefore based on the repeatable and clearly visual repetitions and discoveries across cultures, I believe the Orion Nebula to be conscious. The details of the brain down to the smallest areas are proportional and match in shape given the expected variation from one brain to the next. Try plugging those numbers into your probability calculator.

Now, please let me know how your test results come out for proving consciousness does not exist without a "physical nervous system" and we can pick up where we left off.

Peace!
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i'm only here to gape at the pictures of kittens.

but more seriously: everything is consciouss, all is one, and pareidolia might be a striking expression of that.
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any-way the central theory of Gods/Dawn led to from the pyramid surveys and information decoded, was that the Orion Nebula had over the course of billions of years become conscious!
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First of all, it is an utterly ridiculous assertion.

How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place?

Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith.

It's called the metaphysical duality; which says that the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' are separate from the physical reality.

In fact, there is a non-spatial and non-temporal consciousness which exists prior to the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Secondly, when you say that the Orion Nebula "had...become conscious", what do you mean by the term "conscious"?

Is that a poetic truth for you or a scientific truth?

Do you mean that it is capable of self-reflection?

If you are trying to make a scientific statement, where is the evidence of that kind of consciousness?

In other words, is there any more evidence for you term "conscious" than there is for the word "ether"?

If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that.

Michael
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Michael, as you well know, science does not dive into the idea of consciousness. You yourself made that quite clear by contradicting yourself.

"How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place? Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith."
- Michael (You)

And now your contradiction...
"If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that."
- Michael (You).....


So can you please direct me to the scientific research involving repeatable instances where subjects had their nervous systems completely removed and died and then returned to log data into your test case details based on your faith consciousness without the physical nervous system is not possible?


Now, please let me know how your test results come out for proving consciousness does not exist without a "physical nervous system" and we can pick up where we left off.

Peace!
Danny Wilten
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Maybe I have not made myself clear.

In an article I wrote entitled Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness, I argued that there are three dimensions of consiousness: 1) the consciousness of the 'thinker'; 2) the consciousness of the "self"; and, 3) a non-spatial, non-temporal "observing consciousness".

Both the consciousness of the "self" and the consciousness of the 'thinker' are a spatiality of consciousness.

But do you understand what I mean by the term "non-spatial"?

It means that it exists throughout the entire physical universe; it cannot be localized to any particular point or sphere.

In the sentence of yours that I have bolded above, you use the term "consciousness"; without, however, defining what kind of consciousness you are talking about.

It is the consciousness of the "self" that does not exist without a nervous system. The non-spatial consciousness exists and existed prior to even the existence of nervous systems. (This raises a question about whether animals can self-reflect or not. It may very well be an unanswerable question inasmuch as it is not even possible to demonstrate a particular moment when a human being self-reflects. So, a animal would in some way have to communicate that it is capable of self-reflecting before it could be determined as fact.)

Is that clearer?

Oh, by the way, there are "scientists of consciousness" who do delve into the issue of consciousness; but, importantly, only from within the framework of the scientific method itself, being the frame of reference of only the consciousness of the 'thinker', which is based upon the illusion of the metaphysical duality.

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This is fascinating OP!

Thanks for posting.

One question - the vatican wanted to keep this secret because?....
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Who will people listen to more?

Pope or Conscious Nebula


Loss of power is why the Vatican keeps it a secret.
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Michael, in the post above this stated:

To me, it sounds like something that the Vatican itself would want people to believe.

Why?

Because such a finding is utterly harmless to Christian theology.

It makes NO difference whatsoever one way or the other whether the Orion Nebula is conscious. (Of course it is conscious; the metaphysical duality being the original flaw: the entire physical reality is conscious, but not with the consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker'.)


I may not be understanding your argument, here, maybe
you can explain it to me like I'm a 4 year old. I don't
agree at all! This discovery in the Orion Nebula would be very threatening to the Vatican and to most orthodox Christian churches. This is only my opinion, understand, and NOT our author Danny Wilten's. He would have to speak on this, and I'd love to hear what he'd have to say on this.

Without quoting scripture from Bible passages--which is a sink hole to me with regard to this topic--I'd like to refer folks to a more secular source--one of my favorite authors, Eckhart Tolle. HIs two recent books: "The Power of NOW" and "A New Heaven and New Earth" were the two most profound books for me (regarding my own misconceptions around religious teachings.) Tolle really opened my eyes to this discussion of consciousness, "the SELF"
and the "thinker." My take on the MOST damaging to a sense of reality that current Christian Churches teach is this: that they hold out Dumbo's feather to their followers that they can, in fact, at death take that thing which they believe to be THE SELF--totally in tact with them, as well as their present physical bodies which have been made young and whole--to the place they promise is "heaven" . THAT, I believe is one of the big draws for people joining the Church right now.

Question:
Has Wilten said: "I have identified a biological entity which has a human brain in the Orion Nebula."

No. He has NOT IDENTIFIED a biological organism out there
in the Orion Nebula. There is NO biolgical Jesus, Buddha or Muhammed floating out there in the gas clouds of Orion.

What he has said he has found in THE ORION NEBULA, however, is an identifiable "PATTERN"--and energy "signature" if you will, of a human brain NOT in a physical format. It sounds really simple, but in terms of what Danny Wilten has found in the Orion Nebula, this concept of a part of a human body showing up as AN ENERGY SIGNATURE somwhere off the planet Earth is VERY THREATENING to the ideas most Christian churches. Even more, BEFORE Wilten made the connection between the "trinity pattern" he's identified with the Orion Nebula Trapezium and its represenation in sacred artworks of the Vatican--we never even knew that the EARLY
CHURCH/Vatican had any knowledge of things that existed--as provable data--in outer space--or that they were keeping it SECRET! Wilten shows that not only have they known Orion exists, they've been celebrating it in plain sight before our eyes for centuries!

Eckhart Tolle explains in "The Power of Now" that our
perception of ourselves as physical bodies is only a very minute part of what our intended human experience on this plane is supposed to be about! Our whole experience as human beings has been contaminated by this misunderstanding to the point that we don't even fully grasp what NOW is all about--so that our joyous physical experience on a daily basis has been deadened and highjacked. Maybe my understanding Tolle's philosophy is helping me understand WHY the energy signature of a human brain in the Orion Nebula is so wonderful! It validates for me that we are, in fact, spiritual beings and that the physical body is just like a lovely coat that will be happily left behind. Just like the Vatican eventually had to bow to modern science that the solar system does NOT revolve around the sun....so this discovery will prove that Human consciousness DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND THE PHYSICAL BODY/MIND.
[link to www.eckharttolletv.com]

If I truly understand that I am an ENERGY being and I don't need to hold on to the physical body out of primal fear--it frees me from paying alms to the priests who tell me my physical body will rise into the heavens some day....if I follow their teachings and pay my dues. It frees me from
control and from the ignorance that has fueled insane
wars for 1,000s of years.
So, I'd have to really disagree with you, Michael that
this discovery wouldn't threaten the various religious dogmas of many of the world's religions. It's a total
game changer!
CHeers!
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What does "Son of" mean?


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The person who made this youtube video has no Knowledge of the Teaching of Jesus; and, thus, has no basis for the statements he is making.

Jesus very precisely defines the term "sons of God" in his reply to the Sadducees in Chapter 20:34-36 of the Gospel of Luke by saying "...and, being children of the resurrection, they are sons of God."

So, in order to understand the term "sons of God" you need to understand the term "children of the resurrection".

The term "children of the resurrection" means those who have received the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives.

If a person has NOT received the Revelation of the Memory of Creation and the revelation of the memories of previous lives, they are NOT any "son of God".

The term is not merely a generic term referring to anyone.

Any "son of God" has very specific Knowledge: about the consciousness of man at the moment of Creation and about the 'fallen' consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

But today, we have any number of people claiming such a title for themselves who have NOT received those specific Revelations.

They are liars.

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Michael, in the post above this stated:

To me, it sounds like something that the Vatican itself would want people to believe.

Why?

Because such a finding is utterly harmless to Christian theology.

It makes NO difference whatsoever one way or the other whether the Orion Nebula is conscious. (Of course it is conscious; the metaphysical duality being the original flaw: the entire physical reality is conscious, but not with the consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker'.)


I may not be understanding your argument, here, maybe
you can explain it to me like I'm a 4 year old. I don't
agree at all!... It's a total game changer!
CHeers!
SK
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What I am saying is that to say that the Orion Nebula is conscious is a fundamentally trivial statement; especially when you do not define in any way what you mean by the word "conscious".

Do you mean the consciousness of the "self", or of the 'thinker'. Or do you mean another kind of consciousness?

This is not merely a trivial matter.

People need to know what is being discussed.

In the same way, the moon is conscious, Jupiter is conscious, etc. etc.

As to whether such an assertion would threaten the Vatican; I must admit that I am completely flabbergasted by such a suggestion.

What does a conscious Orion Nebula have to do with the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" or the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave?

And, even if there could be a 20 point argument explaining the relationship to such doctrines, how many people are going to go to the trouble of pursuing such an argument?

It is orders of magnitude simpler to say that, if you want to read the words of Jesus himself, read the Thanksgiving Hymns of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yet almost no one will go to the trouble of doing that.

Michael
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Thanks OP, this is why I come here. Views that are out of the box peace
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Comments--anyone?
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i'm only here to gape at the pictures of kittens.

but more seriously: everything is consciouss, all is one, and pareidolia might be a striking expression of that.
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You like my kitten pictures? I use them as
embellishments for some of my comments because
I believe that some cats and dogs express the
beauty of consciousness better than most examples.
Eckhart Tolle has a wonderful book out about
cats and dogs being "old souls" who come to earth
like sages to go one-on-one with unawakened humans.
This is also a way to break up very serious
topics with a light-heartedness!
Cheers!
SK



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Thanks OP, this is why I come here. Views that are out of the box peace
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Thanks for posting!
This is why I love GLP!
Cheers!
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red of orion v/s blue of pleiades

a time of untime

what will we choose?

red or blue?

does that make a light somewhere.

tadaa!!!

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