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Message Subject Prometheus2: VATICAN'S secret is NOT "Why did the Pope Resign?" They were standing on it as they elected the new Pope!
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any-way the central theory of Gods/Dawn led to from the pyramid surveys and information decoded, was that the Orion Nebula had over the course of billions of years become conscious!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1484984


First of all, it is an utterly ridiculous assertion.

How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place?

Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith.

It's called the metaphysical duality; which says that the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' are separate from the physical reality.

In fact, there is a non-spatial and non-temporal consciousness which exists prior to the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.

Secondly, when you say that the Orion Nebula "had...become conscious", what do you mean by the term "conscious"?

Is that a poetic truth for you or a scientific truth?

Do you mean that it is capable of self-reflection?

If you are trying to make a scientific statement, where is the evidence of that kind of consciousness?

In other words, is there any more evidence for you term "conscious" than there is for the word "ether"?

If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that.

Michael
 Quoting: 4Q529



Michael, as you well know, science does not dive into the idea of consciousness. You yourself made that quite clear by contradicting yourself.

"How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place? Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith."
- Michael (You)

And now your contradiction...
"If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that."
- Michael (You)


So can you please direct me to the scientific research involving repeatable instances where subjects had their nervous systems completely removed and died and then returned to log data into your test case details based on your faith consciousness without the physical nervous system is not possible?

As far as the importance and the theory that this area is conscious, we do not need to travel the path of left brain only, unconscious, modern science to discuss what is so readily and consistently ignored. But we can look at what has been presented to us. Interestingly, science is always still catching up to hermetic philosophy but it still has a long way to go.

So lets take a look at the evidence. Of course some of this evidence assumes that the average person has the ability to perform pattern matching beyond a circle and a square and a reasonable ability to perform associations.



As far as the pseudoscience "Pareidolia" ...
How does one know which key on their key ring is their car key vs. their house key?
How does one determine their car parked in a parking lot of 1000 cars?
Don't many cars look the same?

(See, this argument of seeing what you want to breaks down quite easily once a simple analogy is used.)

How do you recognize your favorite shoes, shirt, jeans, etc. ?
From your friends face vs. a gorilla?
Why are two circles and a line underneath called Pareidolia, but a yellow circle with a curve underneath and dimples considered a "smiley face"? There is really no difference but a change in color and the curve of the line.



But this is really not about the mythical and pseudoscience of Pareidolia. This is about pattern matching which means you must have something to compare against. So, given a person has the ability to perform complex pattern matching, then the next step is to allow right brain expression to endure long enough to search out repeatability without the left brain killing expression. This is the problem of left brain science. Great!


So, I think we are all intelligent enough then to see the logic here so lets see what we have been presented.

History:
1. Mayan 3 hearthstones and the area of creation called Heart of Sky (Orion Nebula). This area was also related to the maize god that would be resurrected. The Mayan Popol Vuh describes the tale of Heart of Sky as acts of thinking. "And so heart of sky thinks..."
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2. The gnostics looked to the Trapezium area as the anthropos and beheld human identity in a cosmic, preterrestiral form.
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3. Consistent pattern matches of this area in many cathedrals and including "The Creation of Adam" showing the Orion Nebula giving Adam the "Spark" of life as if traveling across a synapse.
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4. The ancient egyptians understood the man cosmos -- the anthropocosm.

"The symbolic attitude of ancient knowledge cultivated the
intellect to the extent of perceiving all of the phenomena of nature itself as a symbolic writing revealing the forces and laws governing the energetic and even spiritual aspects of our universe." - R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz (Ancient Egypt Science and the Evolution Of Consciousness)

The ancients did exactly what I have done and pointed us to this area specifically. The ancients saw the universe as different scales of man. Using the Orion Correlation first discovered by Robert Bauval, we build onto it showing that the Egyptians revered this area of the cosmos. The pyramids served as a marker for the larger Nile Delta that matches the Orion Nebula Trapezium as found in the churches.
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This means the churches established a pattern and once ingrained it was easy to see when once one zooms out to the Nile Delta. The trapezium in the Orion Nebula also mimics man made recent development. Not natural fractals. This yields yet another argument for a conscious action. The Nile and Nile Delta also show a correspondence to the human nervous system with special emphasis placed on the center of the Nile Delta (Busiris) and also the location of the Pineal Gland.
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There is a direct correspondence based on pattern matching between the human nervous system and the Nile and Nile Delta, and the Trapezium to the Pineal Gland tying art and geography to the brain as well.

Orion is also tied to Osiris... also a resurrection god like the Mayans discussed. Others including Ellen White have put their version of the resurrection god tied to this area. Whether you like her or not, she is consistent with the story.





5. The level of detail and proportion as discussed was highly detailed with proportional features. Originals and overlays were shown side by side for easy comparison. I submit to anyone if they do not believe such a comparison can be made then I highly recommend if you incur a brain injury to never allow a surgeon to operate as he/she would be confused and not know what to look at.



6. There are biblical accounts as well...

Amos 5:8 "Seek him who made Orion and Pleiades..."
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Rev 1:13 "And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle."
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What does "Son of" mean?


It means similar to or alike. Therefore the Orion Nebula is LIKE MAN. The Son of Man has many instances being pointed to as Orion..
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7. "O Asclepios, that Egypt is the image of heaven, or rather, that it is the projection below of the order of things above?" - Hermes

Is Hermes suggesting here that indeed "we" are the projection and the order of things "above" is what is causing the projection?

"Egypt is the temple of the world..." - Hermes

The temple of the ancient Egyptians were seen as symbols of the anthropocosm and also represented man in a metaphysical and physical form.


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There are many instances of repeatability that would point to the idea that this area is conscious and DOES self reflect and it is given by associations across culture, in cathedrals across Europe, and even geography. It is also a planetary nebula which is where things like humans come from.

The idea that conscious means ones must have a so called "physical nervous system" as you put, is laughable. So called "science" cannot even accurately measure the age of stars yet place their "faith" in determining their all the time without having any real data to back this up. The radioactive isotopes they WERE using to gauge this screwed up their equation when they recently discovered the sun changes the half life of these isotopes. Therefore, "science" is no different in its conclusions. We assume because they use heavy math, that they must know something. However, they change their equations consistently, always ever revamping and creating paradoxes to bandaid what they do not know.

Therefore based on the repeatable and clearly visual repetitions and discoveries across cultures, I believe the Orion Nebula to be conscious. The details of the brain down to the smallest areas are proportional and match in shape given the expected variation from one brain to the next. Try plugging those numbers into your probability calculator.

Now, please let me know how your test results come out for proving consciousness does not exist without a "physical nervous system" and we can pick up where we left off.

Peace!
Danny Wilten
 
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