Quoting: DannyW 32877744 Quoting: 4Q529
any-way the central theory of Gods/Dawn led to from the pyramid surveys and information decoded, was that the Orion Nebula had over the course of billions of years become conscious! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1484984
First of all, it is an utterly ridiculous assertion.
How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place?
Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith.
It's called the metaphysical duality; which says that the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker' are separate from the physical reality.
In fact, there is a non-spatial and non-temporal consciousness which exists prior to the consciousness of the "self" and the 'thinker'.
Secondly, when you say that the Orion Nebula "had...become conscious", what do you mean by the term "conscious"?
Is that a poetic truth for you or a scientific truth?
Do you mean that it is capable of self-reflection?
If you are trying to make a scientific statement, where is the evidence of that kind of consciousness?
In other words, is there any more evidence for you term "conscious" than there is for the word "ether"?
If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that.
Michael, as you well know, science does not dive into the idea of consciousness. You yourself made that quite clear by contradicting yourself.
"How was consciousness separated from the physical reality in the first place? Through an assumption; an assumption that must be believed on faith."
- Michael (You)
And now your contradiction...
"If it is conscious, I would argue that its consciousness is not a consciousness which self-reflects; because a nervous system is needed for that."
- Michael (You).....
So can you please direct me to the scientific research involving repeatable instances where subjects had their nervous systems completely removed and died and then returned to log data into your test case details based on your faith consciousness without the physical nervous system is not possible? Now, please let me know how your test results come out for proving consciousness does not exist without a "physical nervous system" and we can pick up where we left off.
Maybe I have not made myself clear.
In an article I wrote entitled Towards A New Paradigm of Consciousness
, I argued that there are three dimensions of consiousness: 1) the consciousness of the 'thinker'; 2) the consciousness of the "self"; and, 3) a non-spatial, non-temporal "observing consciousness".
Both the consciousness of the "self" and the consciousness of the 'thinker' are a spatiality
But do you understand what I mean by the term "non-spatial"?
It means that it exists throughout the entire
physical universe; it cannot be localized to any particular point or sphere.
In the sentence of yours that I have bolded above, you use the term "consciousness"; without, however, defining what kind
of consciousness you are talking about.
It is the consciousness of the "self" that does not exist without a nervous system. The non-spatial consciousness exists and existed prior to even the existence of nervous systems. (This raises a question about whether animals can self-reflect or not. It may very well be an unanswerable question inasmuch as it is not even possible to demonstrate a particular moment when a human being self-reflects. So, a animal would in some way have to communicate that it is capable of self-reflecting before it could be determined as fact.)
Is that clearer?
Oh, by the way, there are "scientists of consciousness" who do delve into the issue of consciousness; but, importantly, only
from within the framework of the scientific method itself, being the frame of reference of only
the consciousness of the 'thinker', which is based upon the illusion of the metaphysical duality.