Michael, in the post above this stated: Quoting: SilentlyKnowing
To me, it sounds like something that the Vatican itself would want people to believe.
Because such a finding is utterly harmless to Christian theology.
It makes NO difference whatsoever one way or the other whether the Orion Nebula is conscious. (Of course it is conscious; the metaphysical duality being the original flaw: the entire physical reality is conscious, but not with the consciousness of the "self" or the 'thinker'.)
I may not be understanding your argument, here, maybe
you can explain it to me like I'm a 4 year old. I don't
agree at all!... It's a total game changer!
What I am saying is that to say that the Orion Nebula is conscious is a fundamentally trivial statement; especially when you do not define in any
way what you mean by the word "conscious".
Do you mean the consciousness of the "self", or of the 'thinker'. Or do you mean another kind of consciousness?
This is not merely a trivial matter.
People need to know what is being discussed.
In the same way, the moon is conscious, Jupiter is conscious, etc. etc.
As to whether such an assertion would threaten the Vatican; I must admit that I am completely flabbergasted by such a suggestion.
What does a conscious Orion Nebula have to do with the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" or the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave?
And, even if there could be a 20 point argument explaining the relationship to such doctrines, how many people are going to go to the trouble of pursuing
such an argument?
It is orders of magnitude simpler to say that, if you want to read the words of Jesus himself, read the Thanksgiving Hymns
of the Dead Sea Scrolls. Yet almost no one
will go to the trouble of doing that.
You bring up some really interesting questions, Michael.
Thank you for posting. As far as this thread goes, since
Danny Wilten (it is his work we are discussing and not
Spinoza, right?) has NOT tied down a specific meaning yet
for all of this, you can believe what you choose to believe!
It is a little EARLY in the discovery to really have anyone tease out the specifics you are looking for in your questions.
About this particular point:What does a conscious Orion Nebula have to do with the doctrine of "vicarious atonement" or the doctrine of a physical raising of a dead body from the grave?
....We don't know yet. That is as honest as I can be
without INVENTING something to satisfy you.
This kind of discussion is like being a 2nd mate on
Columbus's ship tugging on Columbus's sleeve asking:
"Well...yeah, we HAVE FOUND AMERICA...but how does that
tie into the Constitution and State's rights?" America
is discovered in 1492...the Constitution has to wait for
1776 before the first draft is even penned! You see how
ahead of the game you are getting?
Be patient...more will be revealed. We have a very long
way to go to fully pull the veil down@!