Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 2,280 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 3,106,348
Pageviews Today: 3,917,409Threads Today: 863Posts Today: 16,463
11:07 PM

Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing

What the Framers said about our Second Amendment Rights to Keep and Bear Arms

Communists Suck
User ID: 8540181
United States
01/20/2013 10:54 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
What the Framers said about our Second Amendment Rights to Keep and Bear Arms
What the Framers said about our Second Amendment
Rights to Keep and Bear Arms

(These are but a few, of hundreds)

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials." — George Mason

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them..." - George Mason

"Whereas civil-rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as military forces, which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms." - Tench Coxe

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed." - Alexander Hamilton

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government, and which against the usurpations of the national rulers may be exerted with infinitely better prospect of success than against those of the rulers of an individual State. In a single State, if the persons entrusted with supreme power become usurpers, the different parcels, subdivisions, or districts of which it consists, having no distinct government in each, can take no regular measures for defense. The citizens must rush tumultuously to arms, without concert, without system, without resource; except in their courage and despair." - Alexander Hamilton

"That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms ... " - Samuel Adams

"The Constitution preserves the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation...(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." - James Madison

"To suppose arms in the hands of citizens, to be used at individual discretion, except in private self-defense, or by partial orders of towns, countries or districts of a state, is to demolish every constitution, and lay the laws prostrate, so that liberty can be enjoyed by no man; it is a dissolution of the government. The fundamental law of the militia is, that it be created, directed and commanded by the laws, and ever for the support of the laws." - John Adams

"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretense, raised in the United States. A military force, at the command of Congress, can execute no laws, but such as the people perceive to be just and constitutional; for they will possess the power, and jealousy will instantly inspire the inclination, to resist the execution of a law which appears to them unjust and oppressive." - Noah Webster

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American...[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." - Tenche Coxe

"Whereas, to preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them; nor does it follow from this, that all promiscuously must go into actual service on every occasion. The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle; and when we see many men disposed to practice upon it, whenever they can prevail, no wonder true republicans are for carefully guarding against it." - Richard Henry Lee

"What country can preserve its liberties if its rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

"No Free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The right of the people to keep and bear ... arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country ..."

"What, Sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty .... Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins." - Rep. Elbridge Gerry

"... but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people, while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights ..." - Alexander Hamilton

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" - Patrick Henry

"The great object is, that every man be armed ... Every one who is able may have a gun." - Patrick Henry

"O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone ..." - Patrick Henry

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined." - Patrick Henry

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons. They are left in full possession of them." - Zacharia Johnson

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... The right of citizens to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." - Hubert H. Humphrey

"The militia is the natural defense of a free country against sudden foreign invasions, domestic insurrections, and domestic usurpation of power by rulers. The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of the republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally ... enable the people to resist and triumph over them." - Joseph Story

"... most attractive to Americans, the possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave, it being the ultimate means by which freedom was to be preserved."
- James Burgh

"The right [to bear arms] is general. It may be supposed from the phraseology of this provision that the right to keep and bear arms was only guaranteed to the militia; but this would be an interpretation not warranted by the intent. The militia, as has been explained elsewhere, consists of those persons who, under the laws, are liable to the performance of military duty, and are officered and enrolled for service when called upon.... f the right were limited to those enrolled, the purpose of the guarantee might be defeated altogether by the action or the neglect to act of the government it was meant to hold in check. The meaning of the provision undoubtedly is, that the people, from whom the militia must be taken, shall have the right to keep and bear arms, and they need no permission or regulation of law for the purpose. But this enables the government to have a well regulated militia; for to bear arms implies something more than mere keeping; it implies the learning to handle and use them in a way that makes those who keep them ready for their efficient use; in other words, it implies the right to meet for voluntary discipline in arms, observing in so doing the laws of public order." - Thomas M. Cooley

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress ... to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms.... " - Samuel Adams

Who are you going to trust? Honorable men like these? Or a felonious and HIGHLY deceitful communist, like Barack Hussein Obama, who is OBVIOUSLY leading you right down the path that all of these men did everything in their power to help you avoid?

The very same path that has led to literally hundreds of millions of deaths of innocent people worldwide, in the past.

User ID: 32113282
United States
01/20/2013 11:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: What the Framers said about our Second Amendment Rights to Keep and Bear Arms
Good for you for posting this. I wrote something along these lines too. It's riddled with spelling errors because the system logged me out, thus posted as an AC:
Thread: Who were the militia during the American Revolution?

Christian apologetics of bearing arms for self-defense:
Thread: What God's Word Says About Self Defense (Page 4)

Now, to play Devil's Advocate, is there any way a gun law can be legally made (constitutionally)? I don't see that there can be. The law is very narrow as found in the 2nd Amendment. Literally there's no wiggle room to limit or prohibit or restrict it.

I think that gun owners and NRA actually are willing to restrict some, but that's not what it says. The issue is, if there's no restrictions, then anyone could posses any kind of arms.

Example: arms could definitely be both guns and swords and daggers. I'm completely serious. What would a militaman carry?
[link to ncpedia.org]
"A militia rifleman carried his rifle, knife, tomahawk—a light ax, water bottle, a powderhorn for his black powder, and a hunting pouch that held other shooting supplies. Sometimes a patch knife, used to cut a patch of cloth, and a loading block, which held patched bullets enabling the rifleman to load quicker, were attached to the strap of the hunting pouch. In addition, a charger measured the amount of powder to put into the rifle when loading."

Some carried muskets and rifles and all of that above and below.

Some carried spontoons. It's a pole arm, sometimes a pike or a halberd.
[link to www.nps.gov]

Milita had artillery like cannons, howitzers, and mortars.

The 2nd Amendment doesn't limit it whatsoever.

And these were not professional soldiers either, so any gun control folks, a milita has nothing to do with a real Army. They walked around carrying all of that. Can you imagine doing that now? Would there be any crime? I doubt it.

I think if any gun control folks read this, you'll see that a lot of your ideas about the militia are false. Some would argue, that we should limit the guns by allowing only what a militiaman would be able to shoot. Looking at the list above, you can the presence of all kinds of weapons, multiple ranged weapons, some of tremndous power, so that kind of limitation would be false and against the spirit of the 2nd Amendment.

Rather most gun owners don't try to carry anything close to what a militiaman would carry. They're law abiding pragmatic people who simply wish the government (federal, state, and local) not restrict them, but don't go around packing a ton of "arms".

Last Edited by Don'tBeAfraid on 01/21/2013 12:02 AM