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Message Subject Abortion is murder. Period.
Poster Handle Don'tBeAfraid
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Come unto me all who are heavy laden and I will refresh you. Matthew 11:28
Carry each other's burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. Galatians 6:2
They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them. Matthew 23:4

We're all sinners. If we desire to bring people to Jesus, then we try to help them process it, and decide to ask for forgiveness. If we shove it in their face, then they recoil and are less likely to listen, much less recognize sin, and even more remotely ask for forgiveness.

The material is good. The delivery with that awful title is bad. There's nothing wrong with the material. I would urge you to pray for the Holy Spirit to intercede for you and help you use the best presentation. That was my only criticism.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

Thank you for your heartfelt concern. However, sometimes it is simply necessary to call things what they are.

You never did respond to my question about which term you believe Jesus might use to refer to the procedure. In your opinion, what sin is being committed?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30307430

All I know is that it's wrong. Anyone who studies medicine knows a fetus is human from conception. As such, the deliberate killing of a human. Murder is about intentions. So if you want to be legalistic, then an abortion could be murder depending upon the intention of the person doing it. Since persmission must be given, then the person who agreed to do it is also guity of that crime.

In the Ten Commandments it literally says Thou shall not murder. Soldiers were common in Israel. I wrote a long Christian apologetics on Self-Defense the other day. They killed not murder.

With abortion it's murky but the intention seems to be murder in my eyes. I won't condemn someone. I think it's a heinous process, cruel beyond belief in every method. It's essential an abrogation of responsibility.

Good birth control could eliminate almost all of of it. Good birth control can medically be taught. See my sig for that information especially birth control if the SHTF.
 Quoting: Don'tBeAfraid

Is that the politically correct version..thoushalt not murder? I thought it was THOU SHALT NOT KILL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32579126

No, that's a misconception. Read this. I wrote it recently. If you do some exegesis then you'll understand that word this used. I will blue bold the pertinent section. But read it all.

In the Ten Commandments, one verse says "Thou shall not kill" in some translations. The actual word is Ratsach in Hebrew and it means "to dash to pieces" or murder. Obviously since being a warrior or soldier was an aspect of all tribal or urban Jews, then God is not saying not to kill. Murder and kill are two entirely different things.

There were definitely soldiers in Israel. In those days, literally anyone could be a soldier in times of war or peace. In the Old Testament, there are times for peace and times for war.

Speaking of the “last days”...(the end of the ultimate time of humanity and the coming of a New Age of God's reign...not now.)
4And He will judge between the nations, and will render decisions for many peoples;and they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation,And never again will they learn war. Isaiah 2: 4

But in Joel, in times of war:
9 Proclaim this among the nations: Prepare for war! Rouse the warriors! Let all the fighting men draw near and attack. 10 Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say, "I am strong!" 11 Come quickly, all you nations from every side, and assemble there. Bring down your warriors, O LORD! Joel 3: 9-11

There's actually a couple of places where several occupations or social status are discussed. Jesus doesn't say that they should quit their jobs. Aspects of their jobs might be to defend themselves.

And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely; and be content with your wages. Luke 3:14

These men struggled with the precise same issues. They were Roman citizens from diverse places who were the muscle that supported the work of the Roman empire. And yet they understood despite their lack of education and differing cultural beliefs in the words of Jesus. Their jobs and their beliefs CLASHED. That's why they asked Him.

It doesn't say that the soldier should stop protecting themselves. The Greek word is diaseiste which means “oppress” actually. Don't oppress [any man is contextually understood but not in the Greek verse itself] would be a more accurate translation.

As a matter of fact, Jesus actually praises a certain Roman centurion, who was a profession Roman soldier who would have commanded at least 60 and up to 100 soldiers.

In the story of Matthew chapter 8, a Roman centurion recognizes that he's unworthy, probably because he was a gentile (not Jewish) and a soldier who was occupying Jesus' people. He might have felt guilty, not only because of his occupation but also because of the inherent violence of it.

And when Jesus entered Capernaum, a centurion came to Him, imploring Him,6and saying, “Lord, my servant is lying paralyzed at home, fearfully tormented.”7Jesus said to him, “I will come and heal him.”8But the centurion said, “Lord, I am not worthy for You to come under my roof, but just say the word, and my servant will be healed.9“For I also am a man under authority, with soldiers under me; and I say to this one, ‘Go!’ and he goes, and to another, ‘Come!’ and he comes, and to my slave, ‘Do this!’ and he does it.”10Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, “Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel. Matthew 8: 5-10.

He doesn't tell him to stop commanding other soldiers either.

He did tell his disciples that he would be captured, tried, and killed. This foreshadows God's will for Jesus, for He was to be the perfect sacrifice for the sins of the whole world through Time for all people.

For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. Hebrews 10:14

21From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.22Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, “God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You.”23But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God’s interests, but man’s.” Matthew 16: 21-23

When Peter tried to protect his Master, Jesus again rebukes him, and heals the soldier who was injured by Peter's action. This shows compassion, and shows that it's God's plan for Jesus (not all people) to be killed and made that sacrifice.

52Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword. Do you think that I cannot appeal to my Father, and he will at once send me more than twelve legions of angels? But how then should the Scriptures be fulfilled, that it must be so?” Matthew 26: 52-54

Some Christians use this one verse to proclaim that we're not to use weapons, but that's not what it says. It says we will perish if we use them. In this case, it was God's plan for Jesus to be taken and Peter was specifically interfering. It's not necessarily for us concerning carrying weapons because in one case, Jesus specifically tells them they need a sword to fulfill prophesy.
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