Yeah.

Suffering to reach nirvana.

Then hopefully....

No more suffering.

That's one way to pick out the pretenders.

Once you can meditate on sahasraras suffering is obsolete.

Someone says "they live by suffering"; they are pandering.

Cause it sounds like what a guru would say to a student.

And also... Buddha came from a rich family.

...

And Sept you can take that self-inflicted suffering bit and shove it.