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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
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Only people who are wealthy will pay higher taxes, over $250,000 a year. Also, the elderly paid into social security, and deserve their checks, and their medical.

Also, what about poor people who have life-threatening conditions, are they just supposed to be left to die? So if they have no family that can afford their bills, they should just drop dead, right?

What if someone finds out they have some life-threatening disease, and doesn't have insurance? It would be a pre-existing condition, so they would not be able to get it. Let's say they could come up with enough money for a few doctor's visits. How about treatments, and tests? Guess since they didn't have insurance BEFORE they got sick, then that is their fault, right? That's their punishment for not being able to afford insurance I guess. Just take the punishment for not being wealthy, and lay down and wait to die. People just don't care.

Why doesn't anyone think they will never be in a tough spot someday? You don't ever expect that you will be down and out? If you get deathly ill someday, and you are down and out, do you want to be left to die?

The republicans are the ones who want to cut everything the elderly gets. And they sure as heck don't want poor young people to have any care either. They would rather just kill all the poor people and be done with it, if the truth was known.

No one ever thinks that they will be in a bad position some day. And anyone who thinks all poor people are alcoholics are drug addicts is crazy. Yes, there are plenty of them out there, but not everyone is that way. It makes me sad just how uncaring the world is.
 Quoting: ann 27626673


Sweetie, people don't have enough money to pay for themselves let alone other people. Wake the fuck up.Tthe people in this country are broke, their jobs either went overseas or were taken by illegals if they couldn't be shipped out.

Stop trying to lay a guilt trip on everyone you should be ashamed of yourself. And shame on you for expecting someone else to act better than you yourself do. How much do YOU donate cupcake? Do you even give your money to family? Why the hell would you expect someone else to act better than you do, stop being a hypocrite.

Anyway, it isn't the tax increase we are talking about it is the rise in health insurance premiums.
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if only the sheep saw this and you would see how quickly they turn on him. food crisis, obamacare and gun control are angering a large portion of the country. shows you why gov bought billions of bullets, keep it out of the hands of citizens while arming cops,military

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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
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Yeah, that's the best part in my opinion. They voted for him way more than everyone else so they deserve it. Hilarious and delicious. So sweet.
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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8260452


so, whats new?

the working poor youth pay for the old or mentally ill today on on ssdi or retirement already

where do you think all this social security and ssdi money comes from?

the old thought they paid for it but it was used long ago for wars

wars and more wars


who pays for the old today?

all those going to work
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I was barely into the new year and I learned my doctor quit(and went to work for a non-profit Jewish senior care ctr; probably w/better pay), I'm potentially loosing coverage for one of my asthma medications (or I can pay out of pocket $329 every couple of months)and because I'm low income, my free Part D medicare, now has a monthly co-pay premium of $3.40 (with no cap, so I expect it to keep going up).
I've told people who voted for Obama that what he did was take a successful program for seniors (since 1965)and gutted it to the tune of almost one trillion dollars and spread the coverage around to everyone (legal and illegal).
As far as "death panels", I have heard that after the age of 75, certain surgeries, treatments, medications will not be available. Sounds like a death sentence for seniors to me.
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I don't know how anyone can be happy about this montrosity. Obamacare took a healthcare cost crisis and added an more cost to it with a bloated bureacracy to oversee it.
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Starting next year, if you do not have medical coverage, you have to pay a penalty.
I have to add that my oldest daughter, who has multiple disabilities, had her medicaid coverage cut off as of January 1st. She was born with mild spina bifida, bilateral hip dysplasia, and is LD, EH, and ADHD. The letter we got in said that she was now healthy. LOL, what a crock. There is no appeal.
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No, starting next year, if you don't have coverage, the IRS will send you a stern letter claiming you owe them money. They can't do anything about it yet, except threaten. That will probably change, after enough people scoff at them, but for now you're safe.
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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8260452


so, whats new?

the working poor youth pay for the old or mentally ill today on on ssdi or retirement already

where do you think all this social security and ssdi money comes from?

the old thought they paid for it but it was used long ago for wars

wars and more wars


who pays for the old today?

all those going to work
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That's why it's so outrageous. We already subsidize public health care for the disabled and elderly. Now we have to subsidize their private health care plans too.

Most people under 40 on individual plans will see their premiums double within just a few years.
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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8260452


so, whats new?

the working poor youth pay for the old or mentally ill today on on ssdi or retirement already

where do you think all this social security and ssdi money comes from?

the old thought they paid for it but it was used long ago for wars

wars and more wars


who pays for the old today?

all those going to work
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141


That's why it's so outrageous. We already subsidize public health care for the disabled and elderly. Now we have to subsidize their private health care plans too.

Most people under 40 on individual plans will see their premiums double within just a few years.
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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8260452


so, whats new?

the working poor youth pay for the old or mentally ill today on on ssdi or retirement already

where do you think all this social security and ssdi money comes from?

the old thought they paid for it but it was used long ago for wars

wars and more wars


who pays for the old today?

all those going to work
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141


That's why it's so outrageous. We already subsidize public health care for the disabled and elderly. Now we have to subsidize their private health care plans too.

Most people under 40 on individual plans will see their premiums double within just a few years.
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there is no money or money that was paid in is being used for other things like


wars



someone has to pay for the old and disabled....who better than the workers the young> i am being facetious here

but it is true ; the money is used for the military industrial complex
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America, Land of the Free?

Pfft, yea right. Now it's America, Land of the Free Stuff.
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This is what I see...

Both parties and the wealthy and healthcare industry wanted to change things...

Obamacare based itself on being more humane and helping more people.

A noble goal no doubt. I had Canadian health care in mind, I've seen it, my GF is Canadian and it pretty much works.

What we got was, "Now you don't get pay in and everything is taken care of" insurance anymore.

What we now have is "Pay in and pay and pay and pay".

Now we have YOU pay, your in a PLAN and YOU PAY.

The healthcare industry loves it on both the insurance and medical side.

We were screwed over by both parties and the elite/PTB as usual.

And NO WAY did we get the universal health care system we were promised.

Take from the middle class, more of what's to come.

We didn't begin to get what the Canadians have, we just got fucked even worse.

"Lets get them to be happy that paying for a plan just reduces their payments. We have the balls to to tell the doctors they will get" "WE don't have to shell out anything we just manage what THEY pay and collect their premiums!"

It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda...

Ya, I got it right, as usual.

Frater

PS Remember those words and who is speaking them first, "It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda."

I do have a thing for distillation :)

Best Wishes

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This is what I see...

Both parties and the wealthy and healthcare industry wanted to change things...

Obamacare based itself on being more human and helping more people.

A noble goal no doubt.

What we got was, "Now you don't get pay in and everything is taken care of" insurance anymore.

What we now have is "Pay in and pay and pay and pay".

Now we have YOU pay, your in a PLAN and YOU PAY.

The healthcare industry loves it on both the insurance and medical side.

We were screwed over by both parties and the elite/PTB as usual.

And NO WAY did we get the universal health care system we were promised.

Take from the middle class, more of whats to come.

It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda.

Frater

PS Remember those words and who is speaking them first, "It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda."

I do have a thing for distillation :)

Best Wishes
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The only thing Obamacare was designed to do was to gain greater control over American's finances so they could rape them further. There never was anything noble about it. That's just the line you bought.

The Republicans fought him tooth and nail. This is all on the Democrats. It's ridiculous for you to say otherwise.
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This is what I see...

Both parties and the wealthy and healthcare industry wanted to change things...

Obamacare based itself on being more human and helping more people.

A noble goal no doubt.

What we got was, "Now you don't get pay in and everything is taken care of" insurance anymore.

What we now have is "Pay in and pay and pay and pay".

Now we have YOU pay, your in a PLAN and YOU PAY.

The healthcare industry loves it on both the insurance and medical side.

We were screwed over by both parties and the elite/PTB as usual.

And NO WAY did we get the universal health care system we were promised.

Take from the middle class, more of whats to come.

It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda.

Frater

PS Remember those words and who is speaking them first, "It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda."

I do have a thing for distillation :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


The only thing Obamacare was designed to do was to gain greater control over American's finances so they could rape them further. There never was anything noble about it. That's just the line you bought.

The Republicans fought him tooth and nail. This is all on the Democrats. It's ridiculous for you to say otherwise.
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oh please both parties are bought by the highest bidder. time to start fresh with new parties since they are no longer for the people but for the money. It's ridiculous to say otherwise
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This is what I see...

Both parties and the wealthy and healthcare industry wanted to change things...

Obamacare based itself on being more human and helping more people.

A noble goal no doubt.

What we got was, "Now you don't get pay in and everything is taken care of" insurance anymore.

What we now have is "Pay in and pay and pay and pay".

Now we have YOU pay, your in a PLAN and YOU PAY.

The healthcare industry loves it on both the insurance and medical side.

We were screwed over by both parties and the elite/PTB as usual.

And NO WAY did we get the universal health care system we were promised.

Take from the middle class, more of whats to come.

It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda.

Frater

PS Remember those words and who is speaking them first, "It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda."

I do have a thing for distillation :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


The only thing Obamacare was designed to do was to gain greater control over American's finances so they could rape them further. There never was anything noble about it. That's just the line you bought.

The Republicans fought him tooth and nail. This is all on the Democrats. It's ridiculous for you to say otherwise.
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You don't understand, their is no partisanship, it's a show, i won't bother explaining further.

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This is what I see...

Both parties and the wealthy and healthcare industry wanted to change things...

Obamacare based itself on being more human and helping more people.

A noble goal no doubt.

What we got was, "Now you don't get pay in and everything is taken care of" insurance anymore.

What we now have is "Pay in and pay and pay and pay".

Now we have YOU pay, your in a PLAN and YOU PAY.

The healthcare industry loves it on both the insurance and medical side.

We were screwed over by both parties and the elite/PTB as usual.

And NO WAY did we get the universal health care system we were promised.

Take from the middle class, more of whats to come.

It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda.

Frater

PS Remember those words and who is speaking them first, "It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda."

I do have a thing for distillation :)

Best Wishes
 Quoting: Frater


The only thing Obamacare was designed to do was to gain greater control over American's finances so they could rape them further. There never was anything noble about it. That's just the line you bought.

The Republicans fought him tooth and nail. This is all on the Democrats. It's ridiculous for you to say otherwise.
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oh please both parties are bought by the highest bidder. time to start fresh with new parties since they are no longer for the people but for the money. It's ridiculous to say otherwise
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They are both in the bag. Nothing changes until you call out the people in whatever party you choose. This one was entirely on the Democrats however, to say otherwise is ridiculous. Wall Street? That one is on both.
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I truly hope my elderly ill parents pass on before they are brainwashed into feeling shamed for being a burden on society. To the twit who thinks the elderly are a burden because they didn't take care of themselves in their early years....you can go to hell.
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oh please both parties are bought by the highest bidder. time to start fresh with new parties since they are no longer for the people but for the money. It's ridiculous to say otherwise


They are both in the bag. Nothing changes until you call out the people in whatever party you choose. This one was entirely on the Democrats however, to say otherwise is ridiculous. Wall Street? That one is on both.



Nope, Obama's name is on this one. It's ALL the Democrats that did this. Reid and Pelosi et al.

The republicans have failed us miserably in so many ways, but this 'healthcare' fiasco was 100% pushed thru and forced on us by Obama and the Democrats.
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now you know why Obamacare never kicked in until after he gets re-elected
he never fooled me
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He did not fool me either. Unfortunately, thanks to the idiots who voted him back in, we all suffer.
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This is what I see...

Both parties and the wealthy and healthcare industry wanted to change things...

Obamacare based itself on being more humane and helping more people.

A noble goal no doubt. I had Canadian health care in mind, I've seen it, my GF is Canadian and it pretty much works.

What we got was, "Now you don't get pay in and everything is taken care of" insurance anymore.

What we now have is "Pay in and pay and pay and pay".

Now we have YOU pay, your in a PLAN and YOU PAY.

The healthcare industry loves it on both the insurance and medical side.

We were screwed over by both parties and the elite/PTB as usual.

And NO WAY did we get the universal health care system we were promised.

Take from the middle class, more of what's to come.

We didn't begin to get what the Canadians have, we just got fucked even worse.

"Lets get them to be happy that paying for a plan just reduces their payments. We have the balls to to tell the doctors they will get" "WE don't have to shell out anything we just manage what THEY pay and collect their premiums!"

It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda...

Ya, I got it right, as usual.

Frater

PS Remember those words and who is speaking them first, "It takes two parties to fulfill an agenda."

I do have a thing for distillation :)

Best Wishes
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shows you what you know,...dems had the house and senate when bill was passed/pay attention
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oh please both parties are bought by the highest bidder. time to start fresh with new parties since they are no longer for the people but for the money. It's ridiculous to say otherwise


They are both in the bag. Nothing changes until you call out the people in whatever party you choose. This one was entirely on the Democrats however, to say otherwise is ridiculous. Wall Street? That one is on both.
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Nope, Obama's name is on this one. It's ALL the Democrats that did this. Reid and Pelosi et al.

The republicans have failed us miserably in so many ways, but this 'healthcare' fiasco was 100% pushed thru and forced on us by Obama and the Democrats.


And passed in both houses.

Good show huh?

Cisis,

Proposed solutions..

what looks like compromise

Resolution at OUR expense.

TPTB get their way...

Easy as pie.

Think your "awake"? If your taking sides your not.

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Yeah, Obama-soon-to-be-non-care is an OUTRAGE. I work for a LARGE employer and my health premiums have been nil (yes I have had cadillac coverage until Jan 1 and will concede have been "spoiled") First pay check of the year--there was a large chunk of my paycheck missing, and I know the payroll taxes had a lot to do with that. Further, the service levels have decreased big time. This whole Obama Care was nothing more than a huge payoff to the insurance companies, not to mention, ushering in death panels and reduced service.
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This is what I see...

You don't understand, their is no partisanship, it's a show, i won't bother explaining further.

Frater
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There is not a lot of further explaining is there Frater?... since this is 100% on your democratic party. I am sorry you are in such pain and denial about this... but like they say... it is what it is...

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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
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Why can't she live with family? That is how it use to be long ago. Family took care of its own. Family should take care of its own. Can any of you take her into your homes? That is what I am my siblings are preparing to do. Don't expect the government to take care of what is your responsibility. I know it is harsh but it is reality. I am right there with you as are many others who have parent/s to take care of.
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This isn't about gov being a safety net, this is about gov fucking up health care so they can get their grubby little digits on more "REVENUE", you need a brain.
Eu não me importo se isso machuca,
Eu quero ter o controle,
Eu quero um corpo perfeito,
Eu quero uma alma perfeita.
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Thank you Mwalk. It was most definitely never about making healthcare more affordable or more accessible.It was always about money and controlling a huge portion of the GDP.
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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
 Quoting: tiger1


OP's complaints sound more like a result of the demands in Medicare cuts from the GOP that the Dems keep caving in on.

If the Democrats were filibuster proof, they wouldn't have to keep giving in on these kind of cuts to balance a budget.

Keep voting for the GOP and all your health care will be for the elite from private companies. Your complaints are all about the state-run health care being cut in funding. You are pro-socialist and in favor of universal health care. That is the only place to turn for help for young people who are unable to work and pay for their own health care from private and expensive sources. Or for the elderly who've worked all their lives but never saved up enough to pay their own way for outrageous health care costs.
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If people started giving a shit about what they eat and drink maybe then they'd never get congestive heart failure, cancer, diseases or whatever else is wrong with them. People don't want to take full responsibility for their health it seems until it's too late.

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