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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
 Quoting: tiger1


OP's complaints sound more like a result of the demands in Medicare cuts from the GOP that the Dems keep caving in on.

If the Democrats were filibuster proof, they wouldn't have to keep giving in on these kind of cuts to balance a budget.

Keep voting for the GOP and all your health care will be for the elite from private companies. Your complaints are all about the state-run health care being cut in funding. You are pro-socialist and in favor of universal health care. That is the only place to turn for help for young people who are unable to work and pay for their own health care from private and expensive sources. Or for the elderly who've worked all their lives but never saved up enough to pay their own way for outrageous health care costs.
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Lying doesn't make it true. The GOP did not ask for medicare cuts in the Obamacare bill.
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If people started giving a shit about what they eat and drink maybe then they'd never get congestive heart failure, cancer, diseases or whatever else is wrong with them. People don't want to take full responsibility for their health it seems until it's too late.
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this

and someone said i was a twit for saying it
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More BS which has nothing to do with "Obamacare." Indeed all the commentary on here shows people don't even know what "Obamacare is." They keep saying "it's doing X" for years already... no... this is health insurance companies and selfishness you assholes.
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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
 Quoting: tiger1


OP's complaints sound more like a result of the demands in Medicare cuts from the GOP that the Dems keep caving in on.

If the Democrats were filibuster proof, they wouldn't have to keep giving in on these kind of cuts to balance a budget.

Keep voting for the GOP and all your health care will be for the elite from private companies. Your complaints are all about the state-run health care being cut in funding. You are pro-socialist and in favor of universal health care. That is the only place to turn for help for young people who are unable to work and pay for their own health care from private and expensive sources. Or for the elderly who've worked all their lives but never saved up enough to pay their own way for outrageous health care costs.
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Lying doesn't make it true. The GOP did not ask for medicare cuts in the Obamacare bill.
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Medicare cuts are a thing they have been asking for. Nothing to do with Obamacare. Moron.
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What about my grandparents who worked hard their whole lives and paid money every month out of their checks to Medicare and Social Security? Aren't they entitled to adequate healthcare? Where did the money go? Most of our grandparents worked very hard their entire lives and lived on a strict budget. They put in thousands of dollars over their lifetimes into these government programs. It's not their fault if the government spent it on something else and now decides to charge us. My grandmother has cancer, and never smoked, never drank and ate fairly healthy. She lived on a "poverty level" budget most of her life even though she worked full time and her husband was a veteran who also worked full-time until the age of 65 after his Navy service. She deserves to have the best treatment just like everyone else. She paid for it. Most of them have. She never saw a doctor her whole life, and now we're fighting to get her home care.
She's extremely independent as well and should be allowed the dignity to decide where she lives.


And even if you live a healthy life, GMO's, vaccines (given to you when you were a child and had no say), chemtrails, pesticides, oil spills, fluoride, corexit, Fukushima and countless other things are going on cause illnesses. How many healthy people do you know contract cancer? I know many healthy, active women who have breast cancer. They never smoked, work out and eat healthy. Yes, there are many lazy, bad eating, drugging, smoking, heavy drinking people on the planet, but even if we all were doing what we are supposed to do with our health, the gov would be poisoning us in other ways. And now they're trying to do away with any last bit of herbal medicine, vitamins, raw milk, organic, etc. Pushing vaccines like crazy (how many commercials and ads do you see every day for those?). They want us to be sick. This is all for money guys. Always is. Imagine what we as humans might be like without being poisoned for a year or two and fed real, pure food and water. People might eat better, might not drink or use drugs, might not eat tons of food to satisfy their cravings, might feel like exercising, may not suffer from depression. Just saying.

Government has set most of us up to fail. School systems, government programs are designed to keep people in need. Look at the college costs. What's the point in going to college when costs are ridiculous and jobs are scarce. How many people work several jobs just to keep a roof over their head and have a college degree. But people go to college because they are scared not too. They are afraid they won't get work. They are afraid they won't be able to make ends meet. And now they have a bill of minimum $60,000 at graduation. Most of them way more debt than that. Really? That's more than my parents paid for their home in the 80's. And now these kids struggle to find a job, can't pay back their student loans, parents have to help....it's a vicious cycle. Can't even count how many kids I know just graduated from college and are having to work in retail. Our jobs have been farmed out. Millions of jobs have been sent overseas. You know this. Many of my self employed friends have had successful businesses for years and now are risking closure due to the new taxes and insurance costs. Two of them are looking for regular jobs. It's crazy. You guys know this. We are being fleeced in every way they can.

An how many of you really believe the president was elected? I think the voting process is a joke. The "Powers That BE" chose who they wanted. Stop blaming each other....THEY voted him in.

I'm sorry to see everyone blaming each other for all of these problems. The agenda is set up this. The only way any of us can do anything is to SOMEHOW work together. They are winning by dividing us. Democrats, Republicans, pro/anti-abortion, gay/anti-gay, pro-gun/no-gun, religion, the list goes on forever. People need to get out of their box and look at the bigger picture or we're doomed. They want us to be poor, fat, sick, alcoholics, drug addicts, and jobless for control.

Sorry for the long rant....but it seems that everyone focuses on ONE issue, blames and yells and berates each other and NOTHING ever changes. And we continue to separate ourselves as humans. It's sad to me. I want to find a solution. I'm searching.
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What about my grandparents who worked hard their whole lives and paid money every month out of their checks to Medicare and Social Security? Aren't they entitled to adequate healthcare? Where did the money go? Most of our grandparents worked very hard their entire lives and lived on a strict budget. They put in thousands of dollars over their lifetimes into these government programs. It's not their fault if the government spent it on something else and now decides to charge us. My grandmother has cancer, and never smoked, never drank and ate fairly healthy. She lived on a "poverty level" budget most of her life even though she worked full time and her husband was a veteran who also worked full-time until the age of 65 after his Navy service. She deserves to have the best treatment just like everyone else. She paid for it. Most of them have. She never saw a doctor her whole life, and now we're fighting to get her home care.
She's extremely independent as well and should be allowed the dignity to decide where she lives.


And even if you live a healthy life, GMO's, vaccines (given to you when you were a child and had no say), chemtrails, pesticides, oil spills, fluoride, corexit, Fukushima and countless other things are going on cause illnesses. How many healthy people do you know contract cancer? I know many healthy, active women who have breast cancer. They never smoked, work out and eat healthy. Yes, there are many lazy, bad eating, drugging, smoking, heavy drinking people on the planet, but even if we all were doing what we are supposed to do with our health, the gov would be poisoning us in other ways. And now they're trying to do away with any last bit of herbal medicine, vitamins, raw milk, organic, etc. Pushing vaccines like crazy (how many commercials and ads do you see every day for those?). They want us to be sick. This is all for money guys. Always is. Imagine what we as humans might be like without being poisoned for a year or two and fed real, pure food and water. People might eat better, might not drink or use drugs, might not eat tons of food to satisfy their cravings, might feel like exercising, may not suffer from depression. Just saying.

Government has set most of us up to fail. School systems, government programs are designed to keep people in need. Look at the college costs. What's the point in going to college when costs are ridiculous and jobs are scarce. How many people work several jobs just to keep a roof over their head and have a college degree. But people go to college because they are scared not too. They are afraid they won't get work. They are afraid they won't be able to make ends meet. And now they have a bill of minimum $60,000 at graduation. Most of them way more debt than that. Really? That's more than my parents paid for their home in the 80's. And now these kids struggle to find a job, can't pay back their student loans, parents have to help....it's a vicious cycle. Can't even count how many kids I know just graduated from college and are having to work in retail. Our jobs have been farmed out. Millions of jobs have been sent overseas. You know this. Many of my self employed friends have had successful businesses for years and now are risking closure due to the new taxes and insurance costs. Two of them are looking for regular jobs. It's crazy. You guys know this. We are being fleeced in every way they can.

An how many of you really believe the president was elected? I think the voting process is a joke. The "Powers That BE" chose who they wanted. Stop blaming each other....THEY voted him in.

I'm sorry to see everyone blaming each other for all of these problems. The agenda is set up this. The only way any of us can do anything is to SOMEHOW work together. They are winning by dividing us. Democrats, Republicans, pro/anti-abortion, gay/anti-gay, pro-gun/no-gun, religion, the list goes on forever. People need to get out of their box and look at the bigger picture or we're doomed. They want us to be poor, fat, sick, alcoholics, drug addicts, and jobless for control.

Sorry for the long rant....but it seems that everyone focuses on ONE issue, blames and yells and berates each other and NOTHING ever changes. And we continue to separate ourselves as humans. It's sad to me. I want to find a solution. I'm searching.
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this is a system the american people signed up for over many decades because no one asks questions or watches what is going on

it is a system for the rich only


not for the middle class or poor
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What about my grandparents who worked hard their whole lives and paid money every month out of their checks to Medicare and Social Security? Aren't they entitled to adequate healthcare? Where did the money go? Most of our grandparents worked very hard their entire lives and lived on a strict budget. They put in thousands of dollars over their lifetimes into these government programs. It's not their fault if the government spent it on something else and now decides to charge us. My grandmother has cancer, and never smoked, never drank and ate fairly healthy. She lived on a "poverty level" budget most of her life even though she worked full time and her husband was a veteran who also worked full-time until the age of 65 after his Navy service. She deserves to have the best treatment just like everyone else. She paid for it. Most of them have. She never saw a doctor her whole life, and now we're fighting to get her home care.
She's extremely independent as well and should be allowed the dignity to decide where she lives.


And even if you live a healthy life, GMO's, vaccines (given to you when you were a child and had no say), chemtrails, pesticides, oil spills, fluoride, corexit, Fukushima and countless other things are going on cause illnesses. How many healthy people do you know contract cancer? I know many healthy, active women who have breast cancer. They never smoked, work out and eat healthy. Yes, there are many lazy, bad eating, drugging, smoking, heavy drinking people on the planet, but even if we all were doing what we are supposed to do with our health, the gov would be poisoning us in other ways. And now they're trying to do away with any last bit of herbal medicine, vitamins, raw milk, organic, etc. Pushing vaccines like crazy (how many commercials and ads do you see every day for those?). They want us to be sick. This is all for money guys. Always is. Imagine what we as humans might be like without being poisoned for a year or two and fed real, pure food and water. People might eat better, might not drink or use drugs, might not eat tons of food to satisfy their cravings, might feel like exercising, may not suffer from depression. Just saying.

Government has set most of us up to fail. School systems, government programs are designed to keep people in need. Look at the college costs. What's the point in going to college when costs are ridiculous and jobs are scarce. How many people work several jobs just to keep a roof over their head and have a college degree. But people go to college because they are scared not too. They are afraid they won't get work. They are afraid they won't be able to make ends meet. And now they have a bill of minimum $60,000 at graduation. Most of them way more debt than that. Really? That's more than my parents paid for their home in the 80's. And now these kids struggle to find a job, can't pay back their student loans, parents have to help....it's a vicious cycle. Can't even count how many kids I know just graduated from college and are having to work in retail. Our jobs have been farmed out. Millions of jobs have been sent overseas. You know this. Many of my self employed friends have had successful businesses for years and now are risking closure due to the new taxes and insurance costs. Two of them are looking for regular jobs. It's crazy. You guys know this. We are being fleeced in every way they can.

An how many of you really believe the president was elected? I think the voting process is a joke. The "Powers That BE" chose who they wanted. Stop blaming each other....THEY voted him in.

I'm sorry to see everyone blaming each other for all of these problems. The agenda is set up this. The only way any of us can do anything is to SOMEHOW work together. They are winning by dividing us. Democrats, Republicans, pro/anti-abortion, gay/anti-gay, pro-gun/no-gun, religion, the list goes on forever. People need to get out of their box and look at the bigger picture or we're doomed. They want us to be poor, fat, sick, alcoholics, drug addicts, and jobless for control.

Sorry for the long rant....but it seems that everyone focuses on ONE issue, blames and yells and berates each other and NOTHING ever changes. And we continue to separate ourselves as humans. It's sad to me. I want to find a solution. I'm searching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29612259

this is a system the american people signed up for over many decades because no one asks questions or watches what is going on

it is a system for the rich only


not for the middle class or poor
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32538141


I never post on GLP, but I just see that everyone is focusing on the individual problems created by a few. There are so many bright people in the world...why can't we fix it? We allow ourselves to be divided. If the 1% can cause this much harm...than the 99% should be able to fix it.
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their plan is simple

to steal all the monies they can from our already gutted society and then get rid of the majority of us with their usual false bravado

meanwhile to hide in the crevices of their rat holes down under

which is where they belong in truth

and where they'll end up without doubt when the tables turn...

; )
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yeppers, non amerikans get FREE...we pay up the nose....AND get inferior health care...pays to be an alien...this is part of scumbags redistribution...wait...he's just getting started.
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Medicare cuts are a thing they have been asking for. Nothing to do with Obamacare. Moron.
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It was the Democrats that cut $700 Billion from Medicare in Obamacare. But you're too dumb to know that. As usual the libs are clueless.
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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
 Quoting: tiger1


Yeah because anything government takes over automatically becomes so much more effiecient and cost effective...
 Quoting: Saddletramp


Actually, here is where you're wrong. Medical should be federal, and no charges to anyone, free of charge, no monthly fees.

The Us form costs the government more per person/percentage wise AND fleeces people with private insurance, its an insanity.

And now its gotten worse?

You guys just can't wait for elections to make changes and make your politicians listen or leave, so in every town you need to get public awareness groups and tackle head on, the government until they are replaced by decent folk who serve people.

All nations who are first world have real medicare.
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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
 Quoting: tiger1


so much for being affordable healthcare...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1513486


Many businesses are now switching to less expensive plans. Decreased coverage with increase fees. One business that I know of personally has switched to a plan where employees now only have 1 paid doctor visit per year, and even that has a co-pay. One fucking visit a year? You got to be kidding me right?

This whole Obama care was nothing but a GIANT CLUSTER FUCK insurance scam of epic proportions.

It's a win win win for insurance companies.

All the rest of us foot the bill for a few people to become instant billionaires.

Great, just fucking great.
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If people started giving a shit about what they eat and drink maybe then they'd never get congestive heart failure, cancer, diseases or whatever else is wrong with them. People don't want to take full responsibility for their health it seems until it's too late.
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BS even if you do they still poison the air you brathe and the water you drink dumbass
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Democrats own this as not ONE Rebuplican voted for Zerocare.

If you voted for Zero a second time, or didn't vote, you deserve what comes next.
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What about those of us who did NOT vote for zerocare?
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Why can't she live with family? That is how it use to be long ago. Family took care of its own. Family should take care of its own. Can any of you take her into your homes? That is what I am my siblings are preparing to do. Don't expect the government to take care of what is your responsibility. I know it is harsh but it is reality. I am right there with you as are many others who have parent/s to take care of.
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She owns her home she lives in. She is very independant. We DO take care of her, but not 24/7. She will not move in with anyone, and does not want anyone staying with her. She will be 90 this coming sunday.
This thread is not about where she resides, it is about what obamacare has done to people who have medical needs, and are paying for medical insurance, and not getting their needed care any longer. This thread is also about how people are getting screwed because of obamacare, with higher premiums, and starting next year, paying penalties because they do not have insurance.
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I know. But it is also about how are we going to deal with what is our future. And unfortunately people like your mom and mine are going to have to deal with having to live with family in order to be taken care of or not being taken care of at all. There is no room for stubborn anymore. Things are going to change and we have to make the best of it. Our paychecks are less now because of more taxes. I can moan about it or can figure out what to do. And yes I did moan and now I have to fix the budget. Your mom is going to have to get real about what life she has left.
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She will not budge. She refuses to live with anyone.
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Well you should tell her to pick out her dress for her funeral because you will find her dead on the floor one day. Can't your nephew get CHIP ? Child Health Insurance Program. We got it for my son and pay $40 a month and now he has dental and eyeglass coverage. You will see in the long run, Obamacare will be worth it.
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What about my grandparents who worked hard their whole lives and paid money every month out of their checks to Medicare and Social Security? Aren't they entitled to adequate healthcare? Where did the money go? Most of our grandparents worked very hard their entire lives and lived on a strict budget. They put in thousands of dollars over their lifetimes into these government programs. It's not their fault if the government spent it on something else and now decides to charge us. My grandmother has cancer, and never smoked, never drank and ate fairly healthy. She lived on a "poverty level" budget most of her life even though she worked full time and her husband was a veteran who also worked full-time until the age of 65 after his Navy service. She deserves to have the best treatment just like everyone else. She paid for it. Most of them have. She never saw a doctor her whole life, and now we're fighting to get her home care.
She's extremely independent as well and should be allowed the dignity to decide where she lives.


And even if you live a healthy life, GMO's, vaccines (given to you when you were a child and had no say), chemtrails, pesticides, oil spills, fluoride, corexit, Fukushima and countless other things are going on cause illnesses. How many healthy people do you know contract cancer? I know many healthy, active women who have breast cancer. They never smoked, work out and eat healthy. Yes, there are many lazy, bad eating, drugging, smoking, heavy drinking people on the planet, but even if we all were doing what we are supposed to do with our health, the gov would be poisoning us in other ways. And now they're trying to do away with any last bit of herbal medicine, vitamins, raw milk, organic, etc. Pushing vaccines like crazy (how many commercials and ads do you see every day for those?). They want us to be sick. This is all for money guys. Always is. Imagine what we as humans might be like without being poisoned for a year or two and fed real, pure food and water. People might eat better, might not drink or use drugs, might not eat tons of food to satisfy their cravings, might feel like exercising, may not suffer from depression. Just saying.

Government has set most of us up to fail. School systems, government programs are designed to keep people in need. Look at the college costs. What's the point in going to college when costs are ridiculous and jobs are scarce. How many people work several jobs just to keep a roof over their head and have a college degree. But people go to college because they are scared not too. They are afraid they won't get work. They are afraid they won't be able to make ends meet. And now they have a bill of minimum $60,000 at graduation. Most of them way more debt than that. Really? That's more than my parents paid for their home in the 80's. And now these kids struggle to find a job, can't pay back their student loans, parents have to help....it's a vicious cycle. Can't even count how many kids I know just graduated from college and are having to work in retail. Our jobs have been farmed out. Millions of jobs have been sent overseas. You know this. Many of my self employed friends have had successful businesses for years and now are risking closure due to the new taxes and insurance costs. Two of them are looking for regular jobs. It's crazy. You guys know this. We are being fleeced in every way they can.

An how many of you really believe the president was elected? I think the voting process is a joke. The "Powers That BE" chose who they wanted. Stop blaming each other....THEY voted him in.

I'm sorry to see everyone blaming each other for all of these problems. The agenda is set up this. The only way any of us can do anything is to SOMEHOW work together. They are winning by dividing us. Democrats, Republicans, pro/anti-abortion, gay/anti-gay, pro-gun/no-gun, religion, the list goes on forever. People need to get out of their box and look at the bigger picture or we're doomed. They want us to be poor, fat, sick, alcoholics, drug addicts, and jobless for control.

Sorry for the long rant....but it seems that everyone focuses on ONE issue, blames and yells and berates each other and NOTHING ever changes. And we continue to separate ourselves as humans. It's sad to me. I want to find a solution. I'm searching.
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My Wife found out that her company is dropping their prescription plan. We will have to pay full prescription costs out of pocket. The irony of it all is the fact that she works for one of the big pharmaceutical companies.
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Walmart has cheap drugs,like $4 for some, so does Target and Costco has a reduced pharmacy dept.
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If people started giving a shit about what they eat and drink maybe then they'd never get congestive heart failure, cancer, diseases or whatever else is wrong with them. People don't want to take full responsibility for their health it seems until it's too late.
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BS even if you do they still poison the air you brathe and the water you drink dumbass
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and most importantly don't forget your gene pool.
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Did you know that the insurance companies are limited to a 3-to-1 range of insurance premiums?

That means a 95 year old patient who soaks up millions of dollars a year in health care costs will only pay three times as much in premiums as a totally healthy 25 year that's never had to see a doctor in their life.

Obamacare ROYALLY rips off the young to subsidize health care for the old.
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What do you think Medicare has been doing for years ? Doctors saw someone on Medicare and they knew they could order lots of tests because they would be getting paid.
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If people started giving a shit about what they eat and drink maybe then they'd never get congestive heart failure, cancer, diseases or whatever else is wrong with them. People don't want to take full responsibility for their health it seems until it's too late.
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Your mother probably voted for Obama so deal with it.
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The ONE thing in life that's "unfair" is being born with the sins of someone else's past (Listen to B. Springsteen's "Adam Raised A Cain"). You are entitled to NOTHING. SQUAT. Pay that bad karma off while you can and put the blame squarely where it belongs: YOUR ANCESTORS !!!!! And stop whining. Start paying..................................
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my insurance went sky high the beginning of the year
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Join the club. Everyone I talked to had theirs skyrocket.
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Yep, ours did too.

Family of 4 we used to pay a co-pay of 20$ to see the DR for a cold or sore throat.

NOW we have a higher premium and no longer is there co-pay's instead we pay everything, full stop until we reach 1300.00$ for the year, THEN we get to pay 20% still!!

So in effexct we can no longer afford the 165$ to see the DR for a cold or sore throat. We will now be waiting until we are close to dropping dead, the cold being to the point of intollerable befor we go to the DR.

For this nice new set up we also get to pay an extra 100$ a month for it, so it's not even like we are getting it cheaper and can throw what money we might have saved into a savings account to pay for medical.

Talk about your cluster fuck double whammy.

Just wait till this really really starts to kick in for people. They are going to get pissed off.

(my mom, who is disabled, on SSI/SS had her food stamps reduced 46$ a month because "her medical costs were lower"

YEAH BECAUSE THEY CUT THEM...DUR
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In the good ol' days, people didn't go to the doctor until they were at death's door, just to know for sure what it was they were dying from so their obituary would be accurate. Medical services today are nearly 100% over-used because of the perception that they are 'free' or should be widely available at a cheap price. People need to realize that they can likely look after themselves better than doctors can. Doctors should only be a last-resort measure to, for instance, set broken bones.

Natural cures are always ALWAYS much more effective and better for your body than chemical toxin ingestion (so-called meds).

Raw crushed organic garlic, a few cloves in the morning and a few cloves in the evening, washed down with organic lemon juice in spring water, cures just about everything this life has to throw at you, disease-wise (except garlic breath).

There's no cure for old. People just need to be patient with the elderly and appreciate them while they're still around. How you care for them (note I didn't say 'how you medicate them' or 'how you operate on them') HOW YOU CARE FOR THEM will determine in large part how you are cared for in your old age.

People are addicted to doctors and chemical toxic 'meds'. Break that habit, and you'll live longer and better.
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Does anyone know how much people are going to be charged that do not have insurance? When this "tax" kicks in.

I have been wondering if all the bums on public assistance are going to have to pay also, or are they going to get a free pass on that too?
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I think they will also get free health care, right?
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My Wife found out that her company is dropping their prescription plan. We will have to pay full prescription costs out of pocket. The irony of it all is the fact that she works for one of the big pharmaceutical companies.
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Walmart has cheap drugs,like $4 for some, so does Target and Costco has a reduced pharmacy dept.
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Walmart and target DO NOT have CHEAP drugs for EVERYTHING.

Jesus you would think everyone gets the same shit! I wish to god my 125$/month RX for a rare skin problem was only 4$.

How bout you stop thinking everyone is the same and stop belittling anyone that doesnt get their RX for 4$ at WALMART!

By the way, my old befor Obama-screwed-me-care PAID MOST of that, I only had to pay 25$/month.


For what its worth I do think a national healthcare is a necessity, but the problem we are having here in America with it is every rich ass politician is getting his fat fuck fingers in on the deal so he can live out his days in beach front mansions screwing the 18 yr old house keeper/nanny. We need to take the "profit" out of the equation starting with the middle man, INSURANCE COMPANIES!!
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My mother,who has congestive heart failure, and is on oxygen, as of January 1st no longer has a nurse come and check on her once a week, due to the Medicare cuts. As of August 1st of 2012, when the first round of cuts came, her once a week Physical Therapist was totally cut, her nurse was cut to 1 day a week from 2 days, and her CNA was cut from 2 hours twice a week, to 1 hour once a week. She was told that the CNA might be totally cut too. She still lives in her own home, by herself, sparing the taxpayers the cost of nursing home care. IF she would go into a nursing home, the money available from the liquidation of the few assetts would be gone in a few months, and then Medicaid would pick up the tab.
My older brother was notified by mail on saturday, that the medical insurance premium for his school age son has gone up from $100 a month to $750 a month. That's right, a 650% INCREASE !!! My brother, who was forced to retire early a year and a half ago, was covering my nephew on his work policy. He cancelled the medical insurance, as the increased premium eats up nearly his whole pension check. He called for an explanation, and was told EVERYONE got an increase, whether a retired employee or one that is still employed.
Obamacare has done nothing to help the health care crisis in our country. Instead, it has made health care totally unaffordable, and the rationing of care has begun.
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Yeah,,,,,,,you have to sign it to find out what is in it Pelosi said and they did just that.

Obocare is inclusive for the extermination of the elderly.

Yea obocare......medical care for all.......all that they deem worthy to live and for the rest of you/us.......toO fucking bad.

Just wait! All those that voted him back in for another four years are going to be cursing him and his care thing before it is over.

Just wait to see how much love they have for him in the next unfolding months to come.

Just remember .....all of you that just love him and think he is god........

in the coming months you WILL change your mind and that then will be the hope of YOUR CHANGE AS PROMISED.

YOU ASKED FOR IT!

YOU WANTED IT!!

AND NOW YOU ARE GOING TO GET IT!

HOPE YOU LIKE ALL THAT "HOPE AND CHANGE".

YOU BEGGED FOR YOU!

YOU CRIED FOR IT!

YOU SWOONED FOR IT!

AND NOW YOU WILL ACTUALLY SEE IT AS IT AFFECTS YOUR LIFE AND THE LIVES OF YOUR LOVED ONES!
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Most who voted for him do not work. What part of higher taxes and insurance premiums do they care about?
Who is John Galt?
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My Wife found out that her company is dropping their prescription plan. We will have to pay full prescription costs out of pocket. The irony of it all is the fact that she works for one of the big pharmaceutical companies.
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Walmart has cheap drugs,like $4 for some, so does Target and Costco has a reduced pharmacy dept.
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why don't you try to get off drugs

then you don't have to worry about it


like i tell an obese family member; who has high blood pressure > chances are; your high blood pressure is due to your obesity

get on a treadmill everyday or at least 5 days a week for just 15 to 20 minutes ; start out slow and work your way up

they are retired but will they do this? no

this conversation is ongoing now for years
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OP

I posted this a few months ago.

Thread: My sister called me today, she's a doctor.

My sister is an OB, she's been stressed about how this will affect patients.
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A good number of doctors have retired early, or quit. I do not blame them.

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