What is one lesson of Job for all people? God REMAINS ENOUGH.

Why is that?

Doesn't go along with their doctrines.

So is this saying the adversary hath no power except that granted by God?

As in Scripture it states
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and I create evil; I am the Lord, Who does all these things.
Isaiah 45:7

Also we're told,
You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy; But I tell you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,


So should we love the adversary (but detest the actions of) as in doing what he does, he is in actuality doing Gods work (though he may not realize it)?


So then, He shows mercy to those He wants to, and He hardens those He wants to harden.You will say to me, therefore, “Why then does He still find fault? For who can resist His will?” But who are you, a mere man, to talk back to God? Will what is formed say to the one who formed it, “Why did you make me like this?” Or has the potter no right over the clay, to make from the same lump one piece of pottery for honor and another for dishonor? And what if God, desiring to display His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience objects of wrath ready for destruction? And what if He did this to make known the riches of His glory on objects of mercy that He prepared beforehand for glory— on us, the ones He also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?



and yes, I'm being sincere

:-)

hi koffee,the book of job has been an excellent example for me over the past couple of years. I seem to drift from one trauma to another but at least my children are all healthy,i dont know how my faith would survive if i had to see any of them suffer.anyway i just wanted to say that jobs predicament always reminds me of the story of the wind and the sun.a man is out walking,wearing a warm cloak.the wind tells the sun how much stronger he is than him,and challenges to sun to see who can remove the cloak from the man.the wind goes first and blows up a gale,but the harder he blows the tighter the man holds onto his cloak.next the sun shines brightly with all his warmth and the man takes off the cloak himself...its kinda like faith.the more the evil causes our sufferring,the tighter we hold onto the lord.....just thought id share that.

A little about the aspects of Gods tool Satan above ^ ^

Get passed the first Five,it is not 'Satanic' so don't worry.

You will be pleased you read it.

OneLuv2.

Job should be teached at schools worldwide..

First of all thank's KoFFee for the post!

As Christians we are likely not going to be loved by or prosper in this world. In fact we are called to suffer. Just like the many saints who have gone before us, or even Jesus himself, we must lay down everything to truly serve the Lord.

(1 Peter 4:12-13, Philippians 1:29, Philippians 3:8, Psalm 34:19, 1 Peter 4:16, 1 Peter 3:14, 1 Peter 3:17, Romans 8:16-17, John 15:18-19, Matthew 5:9-12)

Here are a couple sermons you should check out that I found online that are super moving:
Developing Warrior Mentality
[link to holydesperation.com]

Called to Die
[link to holydesperation.com]
(once it loads you should be able to 'file, save' in your brower, or just listen to it there)

Secondly,



^^^ Amen to this. I can provide examples of scripture where versions of the Bible other than the KJV pervert the scripture and deny creation by and through Jesus Christ, as well as even deny Jesus' deity.

I of course do believe the most important thing is prayer and having the the Holy Spirit dwelling in you, but cmog is right, these other Bibles should really only be used for reference or better understanding a verse, supplementary to the KJV, anyone can read the archaic KJV with help from the Holy Spirit!

Have a blessed day.



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These are the trials/tribulations that all true children of God must endure, however our future and potential are beyond our wildest imaginings. We shall inherit "all things (ta panta in the Greek- the ALL). The first resurrection/translation will be the royal sons and daughters of the God family who will rule and reign with Christ for all eternity.

Creation didn't come through Jesus,eh?

Sorry can you explain what you mean by that Bro'/Sis?

Ta'.

I just did this story , I studied for 2 weeks I never like it and always skipped till God gave me a dream many cities same as the story of Job so , I drowned myself that that book til I got it, great messages in that book , thanks KoFFee for sharing

Thanks for the reminder KoFFee! It will be a good day. Enjoy your day.
5* and green for you!

Do you have any thoughts on the 71 aspects of 'Satan' posted above GfG?

OneLuv2.

IT RAINS ON THE JUST AND THE UNJUST

I would be lying if I told you that Christians will observe sorrow, trouble, unemployment and depression on all sides while they themselves remain safe within a cozy cocoon of health and wealth. The Bible says God causes the rain to fall on both the just and the unjust (Matthew 5:45). Job was holy—yet he suffered! But just as God brought Job out of his affliction, so He will bring us out even though we, too, will go through the fire.

Hundreds of ministers are meeting to pray in different cities, and the same confession is heard: "Never have so many been so deeply tested. Satan has come like a flood, with trouble, hardship, deep sorrow and pain befalling the godly."

Satan was Job's troubler and he is your troubler. Could it be that he has stood again before God and issued a great accusation against the last-days church? He might have challenged God, "It is the last hour, but You have no true church. You have no spotless bride. There are no wise virgins; in fact, most of them are asleep. Look at them—materialistic, self-centered, grasping for riches and the good life. Listen to their teachers telling them they need not suffer, that all things are theirs for the asking.

"Take down Your wall of protection, God! Let me put them to the test. You won't even have a holy remnant left. I'll take away their employment. I'll smite them with sorrows. I'll pour out a spirit of fear and despondency, and flood them with temptations. You will see this last, pampered generation fold. There are no Jobs in this church. They are spiritual wimps!"

Beloved, this is why the Scripture says, "Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" (Revelation 12:12).

In the midst of your trial, some of you already have adopted the despairing language of Job. Your heart cries out, "God, what did I do wrong? I don't understand why this calamity has fallen on me when I loved You most, my walk was holy, my heart pure, and my spirit was longing after You. It seems like the closer I draw to You, the deeper I fall into trouble and the more sorrows come.”

We do not realize how important it is to God that we trust Him through all the floods of trouble that come upon us from hell. You see, the devil cannot touch you or test you unless God first lets down the wall and allows it.

Just gave a message on this , if people only understood only 2 paths in life Light or Dark, God or satan and satan is our enemy but God gives us power over if we only use it

will go read

John1:1-13 supplies all the proof one needs to see Jesus Christ/The Logos(Word) created ALL things!

Then why does the KJV have this

And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.


where IIRC all other versions have it as passover?

Not sure where AC got that but , uncomfortable with wording , I just gave message about satan
satan does have over 20 names in bible and he is everything that is not of God and good


this is my favorite tool and you can put in any edition of Bible , but King James the best

[link to www.biblegateway.com]

also watch the The Project videos on know your enemy they are good and stay with scripture

[link to www.thefuelproject.org]

Know Your Enemy

"And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:" -Ephesians 3:9 (KJV)

Compared to:

"and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things." -Ephesians 3:9 (NIV)


Consider Also:

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God" -Philippians 2:6 (KJV)

Compared to:

"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped" -Philippians 2:6 (ESV)

I would only suggest using the KJV.

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Not sure if you missed my post or ignored it Witness for Him, but can you explain why the KJV replaces the Jewish festival of passover with the pagan festival of easter?

This helps





Stay Free

Good Morning, Everyone.
I just woke up about a half hour ago to bring my son to work in the minus 1 degree weather------brrrrrrrr.

Now I'm enjoying my first cup of delicious hot coffee as I check out GLP to grab some news headlines before heading out.

I noticed the thread was pinned. I don't know who did it or when, but "Thank You".

I did spend a considerable amount of time studying the Book of Job yesterday, along with various commentaries.

I tend to neglect Old Testament reading, but after prayer yesterday morning, I returned to my desk and noticed my Bible was opened to the first page of Job, so I decided to read it.

Because the question of suffering is addressed, I thought, "how perfect are the lessons and the divine and human wisdom that is offered in this book to all who suffer". I need to read more.

I have to leave soon to help a friend out regarding a dire family situation, but I will be back later to view what others have written.

I pray that God's Word will be heard and acted upon. Thanks to all for the helpful and encouraging comments.

May His Peace be with you

:gnht::luv2::gnht:

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Yes easter is definitely a pagan holiday. In the scripture here (acts 12:1-4) it's not referring to easter as we know it today (the one which, yes, many erroneously celebrate in place of passover) but, rather, it's litereally referring to the pagan holiday.

In the versues being questioned, it states that herod proceeded to take peter "during the days of unleavened bread" which, according to scripture occurs directly following the Passover. (“In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD's passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.” -Leviticus 23:5-6) intending after easter to bring him forth to the people. This means that the day of Passover had already occurred, and in the KJV the word “Easter” could not have been referring to the Passover, but rather the pagan holiday itself.

So again, the KJV is the only one that actually translates it correctly.

Check out the link you'll see what I mean.

“Easter” Is Not A Mistranslation
By David J. Stewart
[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]

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except god didn't carry on this way and doesn't carry on this way. this is but another silly fairy tale in the bible that is probably also mistranslated. Is this the latest thing to consider because others are starting the same discussion on other forums. there is not a god person of this sort involved in earth, you make it sound like god has 2 legs and walks around here. NO, but there are those who are one with god who do.

God doesn't just let the satan person torture people only so much etc. Disgusting view of God. You seem to forget God is within YOU. and not walking around in a body called God.

Where's No.1 :P?

“The kingdom of God is within you,”

The word “within in the Greek is “entos,” which is accurately translated “in the midst of”. So it really should be understood as Jesus saying the Kingdom of God is within your midst, or among you.

In other words, wherever Jesus is, it accompanies Him. What it does NOT mean is that it resides in everyone.

To enter this kingdom you must be born again.

Jesus said “Assuredly, I say to you that tax collectors and harlots enter the kingdom of God before you.” Matt 21:31

That AC was moi GfG - I did say that one needs to get past the first 5/6 points and then digest and understand fully what is being said.

It is not Satanic in the slightest - I understand it may feel uncomfortable but it is nothing more than a small revelation of Gods intention and will of his creation and Satans role in its' workings.

It is about understanding how to recognize the workings of 'Satan' and overcoming his challenges.

As all is of Gods Creation nothing can be separated from it - All we can do is try our best to understand the Nature of it.

OneLuv2.

"Every believer must know their enemy, his ways and the power they have beengiven through Jesus our Lord.

Satan is a master manipulator.

Ever since the beginning of time he has sought to decieve and manipulate people into believe his lies.

A believer who realises who his enemy is then can be well equipped to stand the attacks.

A believer who does not know who his enemy is is at a disadvantage in an attack."

Full article at link Below:
[link to depressionfree.yolasite.com]

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