Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 31757303 United States 01/21/2013 09:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals Something I discovered today.. In 2002 it was ruled by the ninth circuit of appeals that the second amendment gives no civilian the “right” to bear arms and that (when written) it was referring to state militias. Quoting: tknicker Source: Silveira v Lockyer. United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit, December 05, 2002. Case 01-15098. Before: Reinhardt, Magill, and Fisher, Circuit Judges. [link to caselaw.findlaw.com] “In any event, it is clear that the drafters believed the militia that provides the best security for a free state to be the permanent state militia, "not some amorphous body of the people as a whole, or whatever random and informal collection of armed individuals may from time to time appear on the scene for one purpose or another. ... "The debates of the founding era demonstrate that the second of the first ten amendments to the Constitution was included in order to preserve the efficacy of the state militias for the people's defense -- not to ensure an individual right to possess weapons. Specifically, the amendment was enacted to guarantee that the people would be able to maintain an effective state fighting force -- that they would have the right to bear arms in the service of the state.” ------- So, did the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals intend this ruling to be a clarification of the true purpose of the 2nd amendment? I would love to discuss this further with those educated in the subject matter. They need to learn how to read Plain English! |
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tknicker (OP) User ID: 22801908 United States 01/21/2013 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals True, but the only next step to overturn this ruling would be the Supreme Court, would it not? supreme court has ruled it is an individuals right to own weapons, did you forget about the ruling in 2011? Hmm, do you have a source? I'm sensing a semantics game here - I feel like a statement like that could still be applicable to the 2002 ruling. |
SaveUSa User ID: 20038946 United States 01/21/2013 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals True, but the only next step to overturn this ruling would be the Supreme Court, would it not? Which they already have countless time over. 9th Circus Court of Appeals orders aren't typically worth the paper they're written on. [link to the9thcircuitwatch.com] Last Edited by SaveUSa on 01/21/2013 10:00 PM Within the surreal depths of "reality" lies the truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4637200 United States 01/21/2013 10:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals The intent of the second amendment was quite the opposite of what this ruling fails to prove out. It was not in the employ of the state that said militia would/ should be formed. In fact the militias purpose is to DEFEND the PEOPLE AGAINST A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT. This would not necessarily be a state sponsored militia, although it could be such as the state of Texas vs. the Federal government, but by its very nature, the gathering and opperation of this militia could be caused by a common uprising against the federal government. ( said tyrannical government ) This ruling is liberal garbage logic. If this judge had studied some history, maybe they would understand what the true intent is of the second amendment. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1184364 United States 01/21/2013 10:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals True, but the only next step to overturn this ruling would be the Supreme Court, would it not? Which they already have countless time over. 9th Circus Court of Appeals orders aren't typically worth the paper they're written on. [link to the9thcircuitwatch.com] ^^ This The 9th CIRCUS is well known for it's communist/progressive mentality People: this will never end...the only hope this country has is to split, peacefully or otherwise. The United Socialist States of America and The Constitutional States of America. They WILL NOT stop grabbing at every right you have until you are bent over a barrel and helpless. THINK into the past 30 years....then THINK of today....then THINK of 10 years from now...IT WILL GET WORSE, MUCH WORSE |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 24821620 United States 01/21/2013 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals the constitution was written to declare "to the gov't" their limitations. It only makes sense they would argue to take the bands off their own limits. this is a conflict of interest is it not ! ? the constitution does not require interpretation, it states quite clearly, the right to keep and bear arms "shall not be infringed" merriam webster; infringe: to encroach upon in a way that violates law or the rights of another another thing to note: all cases go through local courts, and then when they get to the supreme court they lose their case. that is why about 97% of people plea bargain, because the d.a. knows he will most likely lose the case, so they threaten you with more time. then you go in front of a judge and he says before sentencing: "did anyone promise you anything, or threaten you to plea. a joke |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 32777496 United States 01/21/2013 10:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Do we (as individuals) REALLY have the right to bear arms? Well, not according to a 2002 ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals What is with you people? [link to en.wikipedia.org] This was the biggest decision that has ever been rendered on the Second Amendment. Did you all sleep through it? |