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# TIME is a concept, not a thing. The fourth dimension is motion, not time. Time is another tool for deception.

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Yes, the measurement of movement is the Fourth Dimension.

Time is perception of the human mind.

length, width, and depth (or height), is the 3 Demensions

The Combination of all Three- and there measurements of movement IE TIME is the 4th demension.
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The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

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This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
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So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

Quoting: Welcome Atheists 32104353

This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

Yes!
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YOU WOULD HEAR GAPS OR DISTORTION BECAUSE OF time dilation
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It is correct because he left Earth while he was talking and never stopped.

If he lost signal by taking his hand off the mic then he would have to reconnect singal which would take only days (not 18 years since it is traveling the speed of light).

The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

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This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
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Yes, the measurement of movement is the Fourth Dimension.

Time is perception of the human mind.

length, width, and depth (or height), is the 3 Demensions

The Combination of all Three- and there measurements of movement IE TIME is the 4th demension.
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You Need the concept of time to Measure movement. This Is REALITY
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Our Universe is a closed system.
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It seems few know/understand this, and others can't fathom the possibility...this ironic given an endlessness of space and matter is unfathomable.

Thank you for this and the great post! I sure needed something like this, something to nourish my mind...

Do you think a closed Universe lends substantiation to the Universe being holographic? There being an interrelation between the two and the creation of the Universe?

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This is your belief. You do not know that.

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This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

...

This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

Yes!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

YOU WOULD HEAR GAPS OR DISTORTION BECAUSE OF time dilation
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It is correct because he left Earth while he was talking and never stopped.

If he lost signal by taking his hand off the mic then he would have to reconnect singal which would take only days (not 18 years since it is traveling the speed of light).

The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

Quoting: Welcome Atheists 32104353

This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
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Correct, but if there was "time dilation" than it would not become continuise.

Einstine created these thoght experaments so that he, and others could understand the concepts that we can only percieve in our reality.
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Thank you for your kind words.

I'm afraid I'm a bit puzzled by what you mean. I am intrigued though. Could you go on?

Our Universe is a closed system.
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It seems few know/understand this, and others can't fathom the possibility...this ironic given an endlessness of space and matter is in-fathomable.

Thank you for this and the great post! I sure needed something like this, something to nourish my mind...

Do you think a closed Universe lends substantiation to the Universe being holographic? There being an interrelation between the two and the creation of the Universe?
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This is your belief. You do not know that.

...

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

...

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

Yes!
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YOU WOULD HEAR GAPS OR DISTORTION BECAUSE OF time dilation
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OP It is your beliefe that you would hear it continuously.
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So he could justify Evolution. So he did not have to live his life in fear.

It is correct because he left Earth while he was talking and never stopped.

If he lost signal by taking his hand off the mic then he would have to reconnect singal which would take only days (not 18 years since it is traveling the speed of light).

The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

Quoting: Welcome Atheists 32104353

This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

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Correct, but if there was "time dilation" than it would not become continuise.

Einstine created these thoght experaments so that he, and others could understand the concepts that we can only percieve in our reality.
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That is true.

My point is Time is a belief. All we know is whats in front of us. Everything is moving. And you don't age less.

This is your belief. You do not know that.

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Yes!
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YOU WOULD HEAR GAPS OR DISTORTION BECAUSE OF time dilation
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OP It is your beliefe that you would hear it continuously.
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The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

Quoting: Welcome Atheists 32104353

This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

I think these theories are just that - theories.
For example I believe the speed of light is not a limit to velocity. What does matter is frame of reference.
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Thank you, sir.

Time is just a theory.

Motion is fact.

The reality of that hypothetical scenario is that the astronaut would be reading the book for 18 years. He would not become ageless. This is all I want to point out. Time is concept, not a thing that dictates your life.

Quoting: Welcome Atheists 32104353

This Hypothetical scenario "radio signal is always reaching Houston because it is traveling at 100% the speed of light." is not a correct inferance. The Radio signal will travel at its given speed from its point in space. As the austronaut travels furthur, it takes longer for that segment to reach huston. So "his radio signal is always reaching Houston" is not always reaching huston.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?
Quoting: Lucky Charms

I think these theories are just that - theories.
For example I believe the speed of light is not a limit to velocity. What does matter is frame of reference.
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That is true.

My point is Time is a belief. All we know is whats in front of us. Everything is moving. And you don't age less.

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Time is not a belief, if it were timeless than we would not age. And If time dialation is possible, witch was measured, so it is, than you would not age "less" You would age the same, but the people around you would age faster in there own demension. Einstein created a thott experiment to prove this.
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That is true.

My point is Time is a belief. All we know is whats in front of us. Everything is moving. And you don't age less.

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Time is not a belief, if it were timeless than we would not age. And If time dialation is possible, witch was measured, so it is, than you would not age "less" You would age the same, but the people around you would age faster in there own demension. Einstein created a thott experiment to prove this.
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Im sorry, it was referance frames.....
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Time was never the fourth to begin with.

1- One
2- Division
3- Trinity - Id,Ego, Super-Ego - etc..
4- Wind, Fire, Water, Earth
5- Time
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Why do we grow pubic hair when we start to get funny feelings in our guts?

Why do our fingers stop growing?

Why do age?

Because our DNA was written to do so.

That is true.

My point is Time is a belief. All we know is whats in front of us. Everything is moving. And you don't age less.

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Time is not a belief, if it were timeless than we would not age. And If time dialation is possible, witch was measured, so it is, than you would not age "less" You would age the same, but the people around you would age faster in there own demension. Einstein created a thott experiment to prove this.
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I am out of the loop, sir.

Elaborate?

Time was never the fourth to begin with.

1- One
2- Division
3- Trinity - Id,Ego, Super-Ego - etc..
4- Wind, Fire, Water, Earth
5- Time
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Things are the way the are because thats the way they were made to be.

The deeper you go into Science the clearer it is.

Why do we grow pubic hair when we start to get funny feelings in our guts?

Why do our fingers stop growing?

Why do age?

Because our DNA was written to do so.

That is true.

My point is Time is a belief. All we know is whats in front of us. Everything is moving. And you don't age less.

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Time is not a belief, if it were timeless than we would not age. And If time dialation is possible, witch was measured, so it is, than you would not age "less" You would age the same, but the people around you would age faster in there own demension. Einstein created a thott experiment to prove this.
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IMO physical timepassage entails formation and mutation of material shapes and their energymotion, as defined by a particular electromagnetic field set-up, in this case Earth e.m. field, in relation to axial rotation and orbital movement within the e.m. heliosphere of Sol, with all these movements together forming a cosmic dance within zero-point energy or etheric space and therefore collectively weaving a physical energy timefield, amen.
Psychological time imo is related to the frequency of thoughts and feelings within our consciousness and is therefore elastic in its experience and thus experiencing timelesness is related to experiencing pure awareness in stilness, in which thought and feelings have their origin. Pure awareness, feeling and thought are imo on a higher energylevel than the outside world and are therefore able to modify energies as defined by shapes and e.m. time itself.
Please point out the error in my way of reasoning, so I may learn from this mind exercise, thanks.
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You do know of the Holographic Universe theory, right?

It seems to me that wherein the Universe is holographic then it would be a closed system.

Perhpas I'm wrong that there's a coorealation between the two with regard to the creation of the Universe, or it's that a closed or opened system does nothing to distinguish a holographic Universe from other creation models...it's just so rare (for me) to find someone who has a grasp on the universe being a closed system, and I just wanted to ask what you thought.
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If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?

Yes!
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Ah shit... I didn't consider distance/light years.
It's a bit like Achilles and the tortoise I suppose.
Lightspeed is pretty slow at these scales.

So we if we agree with the cosmic speed limit and say the signal can only ever travel at a max of 100%c, when he reaches the same distance from Earth as the sun for example,
his next word would take 7 minutes to arrive.

As soon as he reaches 1ly out, his next word will take a year to reach Earth, 2ly and his next word will take 2 years to reach Earth and so on.

So not only will Earth hear gaps but those gaps will increase in duration as he travels.

In fact there is always a delay because the signal has a fixed speed, that of light and even though it's like really bloody fast, it's not instant, it can't be because it must travel... but at the start of his trip it's such a small distance it is not noticeable until he gets further out and the signal must travel further with each passing moment.

I sound like a retarded child trying to work that out but hey, it's very late here. :P
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I like the way you think.

IMO physical timepassage entails formation and mutation of material shapes and their energymotion, as defined by a particular electromagnetic field set-up, in this case Earth e.m. field, in relation to axial rotation and orbital movement within the e.m. heliosphere of Sol, with all these movements together forming a cosmic dance within zero-point energy or etheric space and therefore collectively weaving a physical energy timefield, amen.
Psychological time imo is related to the frequency of thoughts and feelings within our consciousness and is therefore elastic in its experience and thus experiencing timelesness is related to experiencing pure awareness in stilness, in which thought and feelings have their origin. Pure awareness, feeling and thought are imo on a higher energylevel than the outside world and are therefore able to modify energies as defined by shapes and e.m. time itself.
Please point out the error in my way of reasoning, so I may learn from this mind exercise, thanks.

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I am way past my bedtime but I will be sure to research the Holographic Universe Theory.

I will reply as to what my thoughts are tomorrow.

You do know of the Holographic Universe theory, right?

It seems to me that wherein the Universe is holographic then it would be a closed system.

Perhpas I'm wrong that there's a coorealation between the two with regard to the creation of the Universe, or it's that a closed or opened system does nothing to distinguish a holographic Universe from other creation models...it's just so rare (for me) to find someone who has a grasp on the universe being a closed system, and I just wanted to ask what you thought.
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I was there too. Believe me.

If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?

Yes!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

Ah shit... I didn't consider distance/light years.
It's a bit like Achilles and the tortoise I suppose.
Lightspeed is pretty slow at these scales.

So we if we agree with the cosmic speed limit and say the signal can only ever travel at a max of 100%c, when he reaches the same distance from Earth as the sun for example,
his next word would take 7 minutes to arrive.

As soon as he reaches 1ly out, his next word will take a year to reach Earth, 2ly and his next word will take 2 years to reach Earth and so on.

So not only will Earth hear gaps but those gaps will increase in duration as he travels.

In fact there is always a delay because the signal has a fixed speed, that of light and even though it's like really bloody fast, it's not instant, it can't be because it must travel... but at the start of his trip it's such a small distance it is not noticeable until he gets further out and the signal must travel further with each passing moment.

I sound like a retarded child trying to work that out but hey, it's very late here. :P
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You do know of the Holographic Universe theory, right?

It seems to me that wherein the Universe is holographic then it would be a closed system.

Perhpas I'm wrong that there's a coorealation between the two with regard to the creation of the Universe, or it's that a closed or opened system does nothing to distinguish a holographic Universe from other creation models...it's just so rare (for me) to find someone who has a grasp on the universe being a closed system, and I just wanted to ask what you thought.
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It is stated that it is a closed system because of the observance of degrigation of mater. If space is endless to infinity, than it would be stated that there is no closed system, but an endless open system.
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If I am 18 light years away, and send a signal traveling the speed of light, than it will take 18 years before it reaches huston.

So if he is reading continually for his entire 33 day trip without a break and transmitting continually from the moment he departs... what does Houston hear?

Do they hear gaps in the transmission?

Yes!
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32777546

Ah shit... I didn't consider distance/light years.
It's a bit like Achilles and the tortoise I suppose.
Lightspeed is pretty slow at these scales.

So we if we agree with the cosmic speed limit and say the signal can only ever travel at a max of 100%c, when he reaches the same distance from Earth as the sun for example,
his next word would take 7 minutes to arrive.

As soon as he reaches 1ly out, his next word will take a year to reach Earth, 2ly and his next word will take 2 years to reach Earth and so on.

So not only will Earth hear gaps but those gaps will increase in duration as he travels.

In fact there is always a delay because the signal has a fixed speed, that of light and even though it's like really bloody fast, it's not instant, it can't be because it must travel... but at the start of his trip it's such a small distance it is not noticeable until he gets further out and the signal must travel further with each passing moment.

I sound like a retarded child trying to work that out but hey, it's very late here. :P
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good point !
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I'm leaving the helm.

Have fun scholars and evolutionists. You are right. You know what's best for everybody.
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I would like to discuss about the observance of time dialation with the atomic clocks. It is my firm belife that with Movement, atoms start to slow down because the atom is starting to travel at the speed that its electrons, protons, nuetrons, ect.. travel.

With this said, the clock that is not on earth, and flying in the plane, measured the time dialation because its atoms did not want to stay in motion because its relative speed of its components.

kind of like a resistance to wind. "Dark Mater"
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01/21/2013 11:57 PM

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Re: TIME is a concept, not a thing. The fourth dimension is motion, not time. Time is another tool for deception.
I am way past my bedtime but I will be sure to research the Holographic Universe Theory.

I will reply as to what my thoughts are tomorrow.

You do know of the Holographic Universe theory, right?

It seems to me that wherein the Universe is holographic then it would be a closed system.

Perhpas I'm wrong that there's a coorealation between the two with regard to the creation of the Universe, or it's that a closed or opened system does nothing to distinguish a holographic Universe from other creation models...it's just so rare (for me) to find someone who has a grasp on the universe being a closed system, and I just wanted to ask what you thought.
Quoting: cosmicgypsy

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Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe is a must read. I found this, an excerpt from the book. It's not expensive and I bet there's a copy of it in your library.