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TIME is a concept, not a thing. The fourth dimension is motion, not time. Time is another tool for deception.

 
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imho that would be e-motion. Yes thats what I said the 4th is emotion.

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I am out of the loop, sir.

Elaborate?

Time was never the fourth to begin with.

1- One
2- Division
3- Trinity - Id,Ego, Super-Ego - etc..
4- Wind, Fire, Water, Earth
5- Time
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The Ancients taught that...

One - there can never be another because there is only One.
Two - Division, the realization of the self, the fall - Male and Female
Three - Unity, Reconciliation - Id, Ego, Super Ego
Four - The elements
Five - All of the elements + time and the self combined. Creation.
Six - Substance or being
Seven - Completion - perfection
Eight - Death
Nine - The world we live in - the ninth sphere
Ten - The number of Man

Each number 'leads' to the next and can hold different symbolism and meaning. It is up the you to discern hidden meaning within it.
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Time is the motion, or transferance of energy upon two dimenstions, or more. So ultimatly, time is a dimension in itself, encompassing all possible transfers with in the dimensions with motion.
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Time is the motion, or transferance of energy upon two dimenstions, or more. So ultimatly, time is a dimension in itself, encompassing all possible transfers with in the dimensions with motion.
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very nice efforts on this thread!
so you finally came to this: MOTION = LIFE ?

hf
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very nice efforts on this thread!
so you finally came to this: MOTION = LIFE ?

hf
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The flow of conscious observation, or yes, life.
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very nice efforts on this thread!
so you finally came to this: MOTION = LIFE ?

hf
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The flow of conscious observation, or yes, life.
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how can we be so sure
what LIFE really represents ?


so is this only 1 universal energy ?
locally manifested, to the extent of our senses,
which allow it for us to be translated
we divided it further and further (again senses/perception limit)
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very nice efforts on this thread!
so you finally came to this: MOTION = LIFE ?

hf
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The flow of conscious observation, or yes, life.
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how can we be so sure
what LIFE really represents ?


so is this only 1 universal energy ?
locally manifested, to the extent of our senses,
which allow it for us to be translated
we divided it further and further (again senses/perception limit)
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Forgive me, I did not mean that time represents life, but rather exists because of life.
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Make sure to tell your boss that, whenever you show up LATE.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

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The 'movement' of self-reflection, which gives rise to the consciousness of the "self", is motion without time, a motion prior to the existence of time.

If you read the opening passages of the Second Meditation of Descartes very carefully, you should understand that time is identical to thought. As Descartes withdraws his belief in every thought, "time" comes to a standstill and he is threatened by an emergent psychosis.

With the postulation of the thought of the 'thinker', time, and his sanity, resumes.

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Time cannot be just a concept. Consider the facts here. A man travels for 3 years at 99.9999% the speed of light, for those left behond 212 years pass whereas only 3 years pass for the man travelling.

Everyone he knew grew old and died dude.
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Time cannot be just a concept. Consider the facts here. A man travels for 3 years at 99.9999% the speed of light, for those left behond 212 years pass whereas only 3 years pass for the man travelling.

Everyone he knew grew old and died dude.
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Read,

The Forever Peace,

It is written with this concept as its main idea.


Speed of light however is no longer a set constant in the observed Universe. There are "scares" of plasma where the speed is increased.
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Time cannot be just a concept. Consider the facts here. A man travels for 3 years at 99.9999% the speed of light, for those left behond 212 years pass whereas only 3 years pass for the man travelling.

Everyone he knew grew old and died dude.
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in your example it is our local setup of our environment (material action -> reaction system) + the setup of our senses & the ability to percieve it (translation trough the senses) = time feeling (the rest is the manifestation of action and reaction - bodies grow old, cells die .. = biological cascade of reprocuction/dyding of your cells .. called on earth "time"
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Remember, The Golden Rule is treating another person as you want him to treat you.
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Who can afford gold.
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You don't want to stumble into a masochist then. No, the golden rule is "do as thou wilt, as long as it doesn't harms or restricts anyone else's freedom, integrity or wellbeing"

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"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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I suspect that the astronaut's (reading the book) voice would slow down from our perspective here on earth. It may take a day for him to pronounce one word but to the astronaut, he would be reading at his regular speed without any cognitive perception of what we would be hearing back here on earth.
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And what if the Astronaut is not flying AWAY but making 100km radius circles at light speed only some 100 kilometers up here above the earth, then his words would arrive here always in a millisecond... How would we perceive his words then?
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Thank you for your interest and your posts.

I have read the article and a few pages of the PDF but I am just a stupid worker. I try to stay away from these types of questions. They end up being a waste of time for me other than the fact that they always firm my belief in God. I hope you take no offense and I truly do appreciate your input.

Perhaps make a new thread on the topic?

I am way past my bedtime but I will be sure to research the Holographic Universe Theory.

I will reply as to what my thoughts are tomorrow.

Thank you for the heads up. I had no idea.

You do know of the Holographic Universe theory, right?

It seems to me that wherein the Universe is holographic then it would be a closed system.

Perhpas I'm wrong that there's a coorealation between the two with regard to the creation of the Universe, or it's that a closed or opened system does nothing to distinguish a holographic Universe from other creation models...it's just so rare (for me) to find someone who has a grasp on the universe being a closed system, and I just wanted to ask what you thought.
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Michael Talbot's Holographic Universe is a must read. I found this, an excerpt from the book. It's not expensive and I bet there's a copy of it in your library.

[link to spirit-of-one.com]

This is just an article I found on google. There's much more about the theory on the Internet.

[link to www.dailygalaxy.com]
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Thank you sir. Until this week I was never able to put into words what I meant, and people seem to agree.

imho that would be e-motion. Yes thats what I said the 4th is emotion.

damned
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Which Ancients? Where can I read more on this information?

I am out of the loop, sir.

Elaborate?

Time was never the fourth to begin with.

1- One
2- Division
3- Trinity - Id,Ego, Super-Ego - etc..
4- Wind, Fire, Water, Earth
5- Time
 Quoting: Children of the Atom

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The Ancients taught that...

One - there can never be another because there is only One.
Two - Division, the realization of the self, the fall - Male and Female
Three - Unity, Reconciliation - Id, Ego, Super Ego
Four - The elements
Five - All of the elements + time and the self combined. Creation.
Six - Substance or being
Seven - Completion - perfection
Eight - Death
Nine - The world we live in - the ninth sphere
Ten - The number of Man

Each number 'leads' to the next and can hold different symbolism and meaning. It is up the you to discern hidden meaning within it.
 Quoting: Children of the Atom
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We are all subject to an equal amount of reality at all instances regardless of motion.

Meaning no matter where you are and what you are doing, you are experiencing the same amount of reality as the next thing.

Time is the motion, or transferance of energy upon two dimenstions, or more. So ultimatly, time is a dimension in itself, encompassing all possible transfers with in the dimensions with motion.
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Which, of course, is exactly my point.

Without time there is no Big Bang which means there is no Evolution. Without Evolution there is God. With God comes Self Responsibility and Good.

Time is a deception to keep us looking ahead to our next sinful act.

Make sure to tell your boss that, whenever you show up LATE.
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Exactly. Thank you so much for understanding. I don't know why I am so adamant about this but I feel it is important.

very nice efforts on this thread!
so you finally came to this: MOTION = LIFE ?

hf
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My point is: TIME IS A BELIEF. MOTION IS AN OBSERVATIONAL FACT.

The scenario is hypothetical. None of it can ever happen. These are all beliefs.

Time cannot be just a concept. Consider the facts here. A man travels for 3 years at 99.9999% the speed of light, for those left behond 212 years pass whereas only 3 years pass for the man travelling.

Everyone he knew grew old and died dude.
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in your example it is our local setup of our environment (material action -> reaction system) + the setup of our senses & the ability to percieve it (translation trough the senses) = time feeling (the rest is the manifestation of action and reaction - bodies grow old, cells die .. = biological cascade of reprocuction/dyding of your cells .. called on earth "time"
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I copied and pasted that from a search.

I've heard it worded 10,000 different ways.

But I am glad we are on the same page.

Remember, The Golden Rule is treating another person as you want him to treat you.
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Who can afford gold.
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You don't want to stumble into a masochist then. No, the golden rule is "do as thou wilt, as long as it doesn't harms or restricts anyone else's freedom, integrity or wellbeing"
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Thank you for your interest and your posts.

I have read the article and a few pages of the PDF but I am just a stupid worker. I try to stay away from these types of questions. They end up being a waste of time for me other than the fact that they always firm my belief in God. I hope you take no offense and I truly do appreciate your input.
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No offense taken, at all...flower
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I enjoy reading your thoughts in your fifth thread.

It seems we share at least one common belief. :)

Thank you for your interest and your posts.

I have read the article and a few pages of the PDF but I am just a stupid worker. I try to stay away from these types of questions. They end up being a waste of time for me other than the fact that they always firm my belief in God. I hope you take no offense and I truly do appreciate your input.
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No offense taken, at all...flower
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I enjoy reading your thoughts in your fifth thread.

It seems we share at least one common belief. :)

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Fifth thread?

I'm sorry, I don't understand.
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Thank you. This has been bothering me for some time.

I really liked the thought experiment about the astronaut reading the book to Earth base over the radio while travelling at 99%c.

That's a mindfuck.
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ya, that is a tough concept to grasp!

would sound waves enter into the equation? his body is traveling at the speed of light but when he speaks, it is sound waves, right? those waves have to then be transmitted and then heard. would that alter the outcome in some way?

great thread. thank you!

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