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****Let the Final Spiritual Battle Begin**** Satan's infiltration of the Church an the deception that everyone is going to heaven

 
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Those who have no Witness of WHO Christ Jesus IS, are just flotsam and jetsam on the tide of life.


In these final moments, none are being converted. The Strait Gate has closed... The Time for Surrender has come and gone, and the Time for prodigals has ended. You either heard The Witness of The Gospel and Believed or you did not. You either Received Witness on your heart to make your surrender, or you did not. Prodigals heard God's Call To Re-Union, or they chose not to heed...


Yet, Father's Mercy and Grace are infinite.
The Angel of Revelation 14:7 has yet to announce the end of The Age Of Faith. Still might be possible to Come Unto The Father and make your surrender. God's Mercy and Love know no limit. If you are honest and sincere, place yourself upon HIS Mercy and give HIM your life...


Don't matter what form of conjecture you can rationalize and manifest. Don't matter what you "believe"; only Knowing HIM matters. Only Being Born-Again counts...

Not able to completely and Fully Trust God with every aspect of your life? Oh well.... What is your life worth and who values it?


Deniers come in many flavors. Laodicean Christians espouse anti-Christ bullshit nonstop and continually. Misery loves company. Lying to yourself, rationalizing, is mere dysfunction. Giving false-witness and erroneous guidance to Innocents Of Christ is grave offense!


St John Witnesses the whole enchilada in 1st Epistle 2:18-27

18. Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

19. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.


20. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.
21. I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.


22. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
23. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.
24. Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.
25. And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
26. These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.


27. But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


Born-Again? God's Annointing Within Guides you in all things.

Nothing else matters!


Maranatha!!!
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But do you see how this leaves you in a state of confusion and hopelessness? You don't know what the true message of the creator is because it is locked away by the Vatican, which is cooperating with the other forces that rule this earth, and, therefore, you/we are hopelessly at the mercy of this ruling elite and we have to go out on our own to try to find the Truth, which can't ever be verified because there is no record of it anywhere. So, we are virtually adrift on the open sea, with nowhere to turn.
 Quoting: dglnomore


no matter how good Rome is,
they cannot hide the truth forever.
One day, historical proof will come out.

then maybe we can know what the original
message was

until then, I will not participate in
a known lie just to go along with
a political or religious bastardized
version of history.
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Those who have no Witness of WHO Christ Jesus IS, are just flotsam and jetsam on the tide of life.
 Quoting: Lester 32802942


lmao
and you have no clue of WHO
Jesus Christ is either.

all you know is what you have been
programmed to think.

good job, that makes you a religious slave
to the church who takes 10% of your earnings
weekly.

it's people like you who keep the
church as the wealthiest entity
on planet earth.

you are part of the problem.
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I quickly began to discern (with some help and guidance from the teachings of Christ,
 Quoting: dglnomore


the ONLY thing you know of Jesus' teachings
are what you read in a Roman edited book.

this is what you base your perception
of Jesus upon. what you have been taught
or learned from Rome.

The spirit moving inside you
may not be Jesus at all.

you may just perceive it to be Jesus
only because you cannot distinguish
it to be anything else.

process of elimination does not
account for infinite unknown
possibilities.

therefore you deduced it was Jesus
based entirely of what you have been
pre-programmed to think.
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I think I would agree with most of what you write. But I take exception to 'The spirit moving inside you may not be Jesus at all.'

Jesus is not a spirit moving inside of me. He is a whole other being.

I also wouldn't say I was pre-programmed. I read the Gospel, I was moved to understand it in a light that I had never grasped before. I followed Jesus' instructions as stated in the Gospel, and he has fulfilled his promises - just as stated in the Gospel. I take action, he confirms.

This is a living, working interaction I'm talking about - it's not just something going on in a pre-programmed mind.

For instance, I have said, 'Jesus, please give me a sign if this is what you want me to do, but I need a really clear answer and I need it fast!' Within a few hours, I get a clear message completely out of the blue from someone I rarely see or talk to. (Now, he doesn't always answer right away - part of what he wants to teach us is to be able to have patience and faith in him even when we aren't getting clear messages all the time.) The reason I can state how he works is because there is a long history of Jesus working in people's lives in very similar ways. Once you witness it in your life, you have a way of verifying how it is happening in another person's life.

Can I rule out this being the work of some other creator or spirit of unlimited number and possibility? I guess not, but I do what Jesus tells me, I address my actions to Jesus, I ask Jesus to help me, I ask Jesus to answer my prayers - I guess I just assume that the being that ends up helping me and answering my prayers that were sought in the way the Jesus taught humanity, is Jesus. Maybe it's someone else, but they haven't seen it necessary to correct me.

Could this be the enemy? Well, as I stated before, I have entertained that concern, but the being that I think is Jesus, based on the Roman edited book, is pure love. And I see how he works in other people's lives, and there is only good that comes from Him.
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I 'feel' that the false rapture is to take away the very high EGOs, the ones that are pompous 'I AM's in their left brains and not in their hearts.
They will be jumping into the Jesus boat and will die like fish out of water as depicted in the 1,pet goat 2 Heliophant thread!
 Quoting: completejigsaw


organised religion is tool of division not love.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


BINGO...!!! All these Christians agree when confronted as a group. But then witness what Christians say to one another about just which Christian religion is correct (I've even seen disagreements turn into heated arguments). It's that way with ALL religions, not just Christianity. Religion causes discord, hate and even war.
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I have said, 'Jesus, please give me a sign if this is what you want me to do, but I need a really clear answer and I need it fast!' Within a few hours, I get a clear message completely out of the blue from someone I rarely see or talk to.
 Quoting: dglnomore


if God is the ultimate power in the universe
then why would he need other people to do
his talking for him ???

you base God's answer to you on your
interactions with other people ???
lol

since we are made in his image
why don't he just show up and
have a heart to heart conversation ??

God must be really shy since he only
met with Abraham in private
he met with Noah in private
he met with Moses in private
he met with Muhammad in private

ever get the sneaky feeling
that somebody is lying to you
when the only time their God shows up
is when others aren't around to see it ???
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I have said, 'Jesus, please give me a sign if this is what you want me to do, but I need a really clear answer and I need it fast!' Within a few hours, I get a clear message completely out of the blue from someone I rarely see or talk to.
 Quoting: dglnomore


if God is the ultimate power in the universe
then why would he need other people to do
his talking for him ???

you base God's answer to you on your
interactions with other people ???
lol

since we are made in his image
why don't he just show up and
have a heart to heart conversation ??

God must be really shy since he only
met with Abraham in private
he met with Noah in private
he met with Moses in private
he met with Muhammad in private

ever get the sneaky feeling
that somebody is lying to you
when the only time their God shows up
is when others aren't around to see it ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32809613


matter of fact, elites have been using
God as a scapegoat since time of reason began.

every time man had an agenda, he had a
fake meeting with God who told him that
his actions was God's will.

Just like the Talmudic Jewish believed
that Priests could have sex with 3 yr old girls.
They even wrote it in the Talmud as God's
word.

Muhammad did the same thing with
Aisha, his 9 yr old wife.

This was God's will.

I say BULLSHIT !!!
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I 'feel' that the false rapture is to take away the very high EGOs, the ones that are pompous 'I AM's in their left brains and not in their hearts.
They will be jumping into the Jesus boat and will die like fish out of water as depicted in the 1,pet goat 2 Heliophant thread!
 Quoting: completejigsaw


organised religion is tool of division not love.
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


BINGO...!!! All these Christians agree when confronted as a group. But then witness what Christians say to one another about just which Christian religion is correct (I've even seen disagreements turn into heated arguments). It's that way with ALL religions, not just Christianity. Religion causes discord, hate and even war.
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What does LOVE have to do with SIN?????????????????
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You might want to give it a shot. Open up the Gospel and see what it really is that we are talking about.
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I have


[link to www.youtube.com]
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I believe in Heaven. I just don't want to go where there's any Christians. To me, that's Hell.
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how the bible got changed

great lecture from a Biblical Scholar


[link to www.youtube.com]

if it was changed,
then it is no longer
God's message
but man's message
and man's agenda
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The Bible, the Holy Scriptures are true, don't believe it that is your choice....

Present yourself Dirty in front of GOD Almighty and see where that gets you....

It's your eternal choice to make...

Susie

If you don't stand for your faith, then you won't stand at all....
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The Bible is ETERNAL...It is never ending.....
 Quoting: christian


No.

The Word is eternal and The Word is God.

The Bible is not The Word incarnate. The Bible is a man-made alchemical collection of smoke and mirrors with The Truth.

Unfortunately for us, one's truth to be gleaned from The Bible can only be done by one on his or her own - this is the only way one can come to know one's own shadow and thus identify the smoke and mirrors cast upon The Word.

You tell the story of Jesus facing his own temptations and fail to realize the moral of that story. We all must face our own temptations. We all must allow The Spirit to guide us towards it. Placing absolute faith in the Son will make for blind eyes and deaf ears to the callings of The Spirit.

If you quote The Bible to others to show them their truth, you are a deceiver and an agent of which you profess to fight so adamently against.

If you lead others away from their path of learning of their own shadow, their own Satan, and their own temptation, you are again a deceiver and agent of those who would tempt others away from their kingdom.

The Word is never ending. God is never ending. The end of The Bible as the falsified word is coming for the heathens that cannot detatch from its dualistic doctrine in order to walk their narrow path and find their own mediating power.
 Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat


applaud1

Unfortunately your advice fell on deaf ears.

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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The only "Spiritual Battle" that remains is not yours to win; UNLESS you can Trust God Fully and make your surrender.


What I Know of Christ Jesus and Scripture has largely come Through my Born-Again Life Dwelling With The Holy Spirit.


When I gave my life to God, almost 29yrs ago, having been raised and educated as roman catholic; I told The Father I didn't Know how Jesus fit into HIS Plan of things, that I Knew Jesus to Be God The Son, Redeemer and Saviour, but I was making my surrender Unto HIM: YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah, Father-God...

Carnality is like that.
You don't really Know anything about God until you Trust HIM Fully and make your Leap Of Faith.

Only The Father Can Deliver you from your carnal heart; your "heart of stone" as Ezekiel 36:26 Witnesses. Make your surrender and you'll KNOW you've Been In HIS Presence, and you will KNOW you are changed, Re-Born with a New Heart Of HIS Flesh.

Not Born-Again?
Scripture is not yours to KNOW.
Maybe you're studied,
Maybe you have been ordained and graduated and told you're accredited by some Biblical or other religious school.
Don't matter.


Knowing HIM IS All That Matters.


If it wasn't Put on your heart to KNOW WHO Jesus IS, then what is Christianity to you?


Self-willed rationalization don't define reality.

You either Abide IN-HIM per John ch 17, or you don't...

No faking it til you make it.
IN-HIM or apart...


Men cannot transmute God's Word.

Can only Come Unto HIM through Love & Trust. Your rational decisionmaking processes are not The Way Unto The Father. Only your contrite and True heart will bring you Into HIS Presence.


Argue all you want. Like drunks solving the problems of the world when they're in the bag. Your opinions and deductions mean just as much; maybe less.

Carnality is a form of self-willed deception.

God has either called your heart, or HE Hasn't...
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Can I rule out this being the work of some other creator or spirit of unlimited number and possibility? I guess not, but I do what Jesus tells me, I address my actions to Jesus, I ask Jesus to help me, I ask Jesus to answer my prayers - I guess I just assume that the being that ends up helping me and answering my prayers that were sought in the way the Jesus taught humanity, is Jesus. Maybe it's someone else, but they haven't seen it necessary to correct me.

Could this be the enemy? Well, as I stated before, I have entertained that concern, but the being that I think is Jesus, based on the Roman edited book, is pure love. And I see how he works in other people's lives, and there is only good that comes from Him.
 Quoting: dglnomore


Have you ever considered that you are actually communicating with your higher self, or your true spiritual identity (the element of your true nature that is connected to the higher/spiritual realm)???

When you pray, when you engage in meditation or deep contemplation, you are looking within to access this higher spiritual plane, and it is in fact the ACT that holds the importance, rather than who you choose to credit or attribute the responses to. Through your willful actions you are creating the conscious state whereby you receive the answers you are seeking. It's you who is doing it. Know that if you identified with a different religion, or had a diffeernt cultural upbringing, you might be sitting here alleging that you were receiving answers from X (insert name of any 'God'/religious deity here). You could engage in this practice without addressing anyone or anything external to your own being and the results will still be there because it is YOU who is looking WITHIN for the answers.

There is a lot more that could be said about this but it's too much to communicate right now.

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I thought only faith in Jesus Christ gets you saved. Not obedience.
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Get a life.
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Present yourself Dirty in front of GOD Almighty and see where that gets you....
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I've already done that and been forgiven. We all dirty ourselves at one point in time or more.

What penance did The Lord give you to suffer?

Why do you stir fear in the hearts of others?

Why do you pick and choose from arguments?

Why do you proclaim The Bible to be The Word that is God?

Why do you hold a book before your Lord as that which is Him when He specifically told you in the commandments to hold no other Lord before Him?

Why do you not answer the most plain question posed to you so far in this farce of false preaching?
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My fellow Christians.... Please take some advice from me if you will.
NEVER, EVER, EVER defend the BIBLE!!!! That is exactly what satan wanted Jesus to do.. defend the word of God. The Bible is and always will be the bestselling book of ALL TIME!!!! Any person who wants you to defend it is the spirit of the anti-Christ.
It is God's book and he can defend it himself and I think he has been doing quite nicely. smile_kiss

Rather, when someone tries to get you to DEFEND it, PREACH IT instead!!! Give your testimony of why you believe, what it is done and scriptures you stand on.

See? By defending it you get all caught up in the histories and who wrote this chapter and who did this or that. It is absolutely unneccessary and causes what Satan loves... CONFUSION and even cause your faith to waver or wobble. Then you go about investigating their, "strange doctrines" or whatever and spend less time with the TRUE word of God.

Don't fall for it!!!!
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I have said, 'Jesus, please give me a sign if this is what you want me to do, but I need a really clear answer and I need it fast!' Within a few hours, I get a clear message completely out of the blue from someone I rarely see or talk to.
 Quoting: dglnomore


if God is the ultimate power in the universe
then why would he need other people to do
his talking for him ???

you base God's answer to you on your
interactions with other people ???
lol

since we are made in his image
why don't he just show up and
have a heart to heart conversation ??

God must be really shy since he only
met with Abraham in private
he met with Noah in private
he met with Moses in private
he met with Muhammad in private

ever get the sneaky feeling
that somebody is lying to you
when the only time their God shows up
is when others aren't around to see it ???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32809613


In case you haven't noticed, God isn't a living human being - he has sent many people to do his talking for him - why do you limit him?

Yes, I do base my answers on interactions with other people because God works through other people - and a lot of times, the other people don't even know it.

He did show up and have a heart to heart conversation - ever heard of Jesus?

Finally, God has given us a tremendous amount of proof of his existence and how he wants us to live. If you are honestly interested in finding the proof, seek and you shall find. I wish you well.

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The only "Spiritual Battle" that remains is not yours to win; UNLESS you can Trust God Fully and make your surrender.


What I Know of Christ Jesus and Scripture has largely come Through my Born-Again Life Dwelling With The Holy Spirit.


When I gave my life to God, almost 29yrs ago, having been raised and educated as roman catholic; I told The Father I didn't Know how Jesus fit into HIS Plan of things, that I Knew Jesus to Be God The Son, Redeemer and Saviour, but I was making my surrender Unto HIM: YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah, Father-God...

Carnality is like that.
You don't really Know anything about God until you Trust HIM Fully and make your Leap Of Faith.

Only The Father Can Deliver you from your carnal heart; your "heart of stone" as Ezekiel 36:26 Witnesses. Make your surrender and you'll KNOW you've Been In HIS Presence, and you will KNOW you are changed, Re-Born with a New Heart Of HIS Flesh.

Not Born-Again?
Scripture is not yours to KNOW.
Maybe you're studied,
Maybe you have been ordained and graduated and told you're accredited by some Biblical or other religious school.
Don't matter.


Knowing HIM IS All That Matters.


If it wasn't Put on your heart to KNOW WHO Jesus IS, then what is Christianity to you?


Self-willed rationalization don't define reality.

You either Abide IN-HIM per John ch 17, or you don't...

No faking it til you make it.
IN-HIM or apart...


Men cannot transmute God's Word.

Can only Come Unto HIM through Love & Trust. Your rational decisionmaking processes are not The Way Unto The Father. Only your contrite and True heart will bring you Into HIS Presence.


Argue all you want. Like drunks solving the problems of the world when they're in the bag. Your opinions and deductions mean just as much; maybe less.

Carnality is a form of self-willed deception.

God has either called your heart, or HE Hasn't...
 Quoting: Lester 32802942


THIS! Seriously, Lester, you have so accurately hit the nail on the head. The Bible only opens up to completely reveal the Truth once you KNOW Christ, once you open up completely to the living Christ, the living God, the living Spirit and you walk with them daily. It's just like what Jesus said in Mark 4:10-12 (one of the first scriptures the Holy Spirit led me to in answer to my questions) - The disciples asked Jesus why he spoke in parables, and he replied, "The mystery of the kingdom of God has been granted to you. But to those outside everything comes in parables, so that 'they may look and see but not perceive, and hear and listen but not understand, in order that they may not be converted and be forgiven.'" Thank you for your witness.

I'm going to bow out of this discussion now, because I think continuing would be futile, if not counter-productive. But I will say that I am saddened at the overwhelming amount of deception I see, and the absolute refusal to give any credence to the possibility of Christ. This is especially true in light of the fact that, when looking back over all the posts, as well as others on GLP relating to religion/Christianity, I see a very consistent message from all of those who claim to really know Christ and to have given their lives to him (regardless of denomination) - people who have never met each other and share no common background. On the other hand, the arguments and distractions in critique of the faithful are all over the map - sometimes completely incoherent and/or illogical.

Just please know that anyone can turn to Christ at any time in their lives, no matter how grave a sinner, and he or she will be forgiven if truly repentant. God is ever merciful and loves each and every one of us as his own child - unconditionally and infinitely.

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Can I rule out this being the work of some other creator or spirit of unlimited number and possibility? I guess not, but I do what Jesus tells me, I address my actions to Jesus, I ask Jesus to help me, I ask Jesus to answer my prayers - I guess I just assume that the being that ends up helping me and answering my prayers that were sought in the way the Jesus taught humanity, is Jesus. Maybe it's someone else, but they haven't seen it necessary to correct me.

Could this be the enemy? Well, as I stated before, I have entertained that concern, but the being that I think is Jesus, based on the Roman edited book, is pure love. And I see how he works in other people's lives, and there is only good that comes from Him.
 Quoting: dglnomore


Have you ever considered that you are actually communicating with your higher self, or your true spiritual identity (the element of your true nature that is connected to the higher/spiritual realm)???

When you pray, when you engage in meditation or deep contemplation, you are looking within to access this higher spiritual plane, and it is in fact the ACT that holds the importance, rather than who you choose to credit or attribute the responses to. Through your willful actions you are creating the conscious state whereby you receive the answers you are seeking. It's you who is doing it. Know that if you identified with a different religion, or had a diffeernt cultural upbringing, you might be sitting here alleging that you were receiving answers from X (insert name of any 'God'/religious deity here). You could engage in this practice without addressing anyone or anything external to your own being and the results will still be there because it is YOU who is looking WITHIN for the answers.

There is a lot more that could be said about this but it's too much to communicate right now.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I have engaged in meditation and deep contemplation in the past - it really didn't do much for me. In fact, the answers I was getting were leading me astray, and I am now trying to make up for and heal from the mistakes I made based on tapping into the so-called truth or consciousness within.

What I experience with Christ is very different. There is a little bit of similarity - I do believe that we each have the Truth within us - I believe that God plants that seed within us. I think I wrote about this in an earlier response (I'm starting to feel like I'm just going around in circles with this) - the problem that arises is knowing how to discern whether the consciousness within you is God or whatever higher intelligence you ascribe to, or is it the enemy? Now, if you don't believe in evil, I guess it's not an issue, but I do, and I have fought and continue to fight the enemy and his infiltration into my thoughts. But, with Christ, there is definitely an additional presence that can be felt at times, and it is comforting - it is a companionship.

And, as I mentioned previously, the answers are not just coming from within. Someone else asked - why does God need to work through others to give our messages? Well, I'd say this is perfect example - so that they can be verified as not just coming from 'within' myself.

I feel that the New Age Movement, promoting inner consciousness or spirituality or whatever you want to call it is a big deception, and is contributing to the further degradation of our society. That is my deeply held belief, based on my journey in life and the trials and tribulations it has brought me. I'm not seeking to force Christ on anyone - simply wanting to share what I have learned and experienced in the hope that it may benefit someone else and save him or her some heartache and trouble down the road. Take it or leave it.

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Re: ****Let the Final Spiritual Battle Begin**** Satan's infiltration of the Church an the deception that everyone is going to heaven
Can I rule out this being the work of some other creator or spirit of unlimited number and possibility? I guess not, but I do what Jesus tells me, I address my actions to Jesus, I ask Jesus to help me, I ask Jesus to answer my prayers - I guess I just assume that the being that ends up helping me and answering my prayers that were sought in the way the Jesus taught humanity, is Jesus. Maybe it's someone else, but they haven't seen it necessary to correct me.

Could this be the enemy? Well, as I stated before, I have entertained that concern, but the being that I think is Jesus, based on the Roman edited book, is pure love. And I see how he works in other people's lives, and there is only good that comes from Him.
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Have you ever considered that you are actually communicating with your higher self, or your true spiritual identity (the element of your true nature that is connected to the higher/spiritual realm)???

When you pray, when you engage in meditation or deep contemplation, you are looking within to access this higher spiritual plane, and it is in fact the ACT that holds the importance, rather than who you choose to credit or attribute the responses to. Through your willful actions you are creating the conscious state whereby you receive the answers you are seeking. It's you who is doing it. Know that if you identified with a different religion, or had a diffeernt cultural upbringing, you might be sitting here alleging that you were receiving answers from X (insert name of any 'God'/religious deity here). You could engage in this practice without addressing anyone or anything external to your own being and the results will still be there because it is YOU who is looking WITHIN for the answers.

There is a lot more that could be said about this but it's too much to communicate right now.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I have engaged in meditation and deep contemplation in the past - it really didn't do much for me. In fact, the answers I was getting were leading me astray, and I am now trying to make up for and heal from the mistakes I made based on tapping into the so-called truth or consciousness within.

What I experience with Christ is very different. There is a little bit of similarity - I do believe that we each have the Truth within us - I believe that God plants that seed within us. I think I wrote about this in an earlier response (I'm starting to feel like I'm just going around in circles with this) - the problem that arises is knowing how to discern whether the consciousness within you is God or whatever higher intelligence you ascribe to, or is it the enemy? Now, if you don't believe in evil, I guess it's not an issue, but I do, and I have fought and continue to fight the enemy and his infiltration into my thoughts. But, with Christ, there is definitely an additional presence that can be felt at times, and it is comforting - it is a companionship.

And, as I mentioned previously, the answers are not just coming from within. Someone else asked - why does God need to work through others to give our messages? Well, I'd say this is perfect example - so that they can be verified as not just coming from 'within' myself.

I feel that the New Age Movement, promoting inner consciousness or spirituality or whatever you want to call it is a big deception, and is contributing to the further degradation of our society. That is my deeply held belief, based on my journey in life and the trials and tribulations it has brought me. I'm not seeking to force Christ on anyone - simply wanting to share what I have learned and experienced in the hope that it may benefit someone else and save him or her some heartache and trouble down the road. Take it or leave it.
 Quoting: dglnomore


the new age religion is to take spirituality and associate it to Extraterresterial Beings!
Spirituality is not a religion, Meditation can be done in group. Guided meditation is extremly dengerous especialy when naive people dont have their antenna light up to see the intents of the guide.

Meditation takes practices and its done on one self!

You can however do cross - meditation which is fantastic, only for experianced ones.

2 person sits face to face in meditative position, and each another meditate on the other! Back to back also works wonderfully!
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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Can I rule out this being the work of some other creator or spirit of unlimited number and possibility? I guess not, but I do what Jesus tells me, I address my actions to Jesus, I ask Jesus to help me, I ask Jesus to answer my prayers - I guess I just assume that the being that ends up helping me and answering my prayers that were sought in the way the Jesus taught humanity, is Jesus. Maybe it's someone else, but they haven't seen it necessary to correct me.

Could this be the enemy? Well, as I stated before, I have entertained that concern, but the being that I think is Jesus, based on the Roman edited book, is pure love. And I see how he works in other people's lives, and there is only good that comes from Him.
 Quoting: dglnomore


Have you ever considered that you are actually communicating with your higher self, or your true spiritual identity (the element of your true nature that is connected to the higher/spiritual realm)???

When you pray, when you engage in meditation or deep contemplation, you are looking within to access this higher spiritual plane, and it is in fact the ACT that holds the importance, rather than who you choose to credit or attribute the responses to. Through your willful actions you are creating the conscious state whereby you receive the answers you are seeking. It's you who is doing it. Know that if you identified with a different religion, or had a diffeernt cultural upbringing, you might be sitting here alleging that you were receiving answers from X (insert name of any 'God'/religious deity here). You could engage in this practice without addressing anyone or anything external to your own being and the results will still be there because it is YOU who is looking WITHIN for the answers.

There is a lot more that could be said about this but it's too much to communicate right now.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


I have engaged in meditation and deep contemplation in the past - it really didn't do much for me. In fact, the answers I was getting were leading me astray, and I am now trying to make up for and heal from the mistakes I made based on tapping into the so-called truth or consciousness within.

What I experience with Christ is very different. There is a little bit of similarity - I do believe that we each have the Truth within us - I believe that God plants that seed within us. I think I wrote about this in an earlier response (I'm starting to feel like I'm just going around in circles with this) - the problem that arises is knowing how to discern whether the consciousness within you is God or whatever higher intelligence you ascribe to, or is it the enemy? Now, if you don't believe in evil, I guess it's not an issue, but I do, and I have fought and continue to fight the enemy and his infiltration into my thoughts. But, with Christ, there is definitely an additional presence that can be felt at times, and it is comforting - it is a companionship.

And, as I mentioned previously, the answers are not just coming from within. Someone else asked - why does God need to work through others to give our messages? Well, I'd say this is perfect example - so that they can be verified as not just coming from 'within' myself.

I feel that the New Age Movement, promoting inner consciousness or spirituality or whatever you want to call it is a big deception, and is contributing to the further degradation of our society. That is my deeply held belief, based on my journey in life and the trials and tribulations it has brought me. I'm not seeking to force Christ on anyone - simply wanting to share what I have learned and experienced in the hope that it may benefit someone else and save him or her some heartache and trouble down the road. Take it or leave it.
 Quoting: dglnomore


the new age religion is to take spirituality and associate it to Extraterresterial Beings!
Spirituality is not a religion, Meditation can be done in group. Guided meditation is extremly dengerous especialy when naive people dont have their antenna light up to see the intents of the guide.

Meditation takes practices and its done on one self!

You can however do cross - meditation which is fantastic, only for experianced ones.

2 person sits face to face in meditative position, and each another meditate on the other! Back to back also works wonderfully!
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


More confusion. No thank you. I have found my salvation and my rest.

"My heart is restless until it finds its rest in thee." St. Augustine
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Re: ****Let the Final Spiritual Battle Begin**** Satan's infiltration of the Church an the deception that everyone is going to heaven
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Theen why earth is at war, famine, death and pestilence? BECAUSE SIN CANNOT IN THE FACE OF PERFECTION...

In other words SATAN CANNOT STAND WHERE GOD DOES.

 Quoting: christian


but sins exist! Thus it must have purpose that allows the universe to grow, to learn!


If sins would have no reason to be, then it would not be!

Since it is, then it must be for learning purposes!

To become better, to grow spiritualy you need to be lower and experiance the lower in order to understand and Better teach the idea.

Experiance is the greatest tool for a teacher and the greatest teacher is yourself!
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You have to open the Box of evil to know what it is..

That is what the Story is about with Adam and Eve.....

Neither of them knew what SIN was..GOD created them for a Perfect Existence, however REBELLION had already started in the Divine Realm with Satan and the Angels that were cast out...

GOD is a GOD of not only Love but Wisdom, Justice, Grace, Mercy Judgement and finally Wrath...

GOD created everything with a *Free Will* spirit, if he didn't then no one would know what LOVE is which is contrary to the Nature of GOD...Loving freely....Obeying the Laws of GOD freely, making all things he created Perfect with a free will spirit for GOD's creation to LOVE everything perfect he creates....

However in the Throne of GOD, a rebellion took place, since the Angels never heard a LIE, the most beautiful of Angels (satan)were able to deceive them...Why didn't GOD just Obliterate Satan when he knew what satan was doing??? Because the deception would of never been able to be exposed, and the Angels would no longer do the will of GOD out of LOVE but Fear, that is contrary to the LOVE of GOD's nature...

Okay so here ya go, Satan and the Angels were cast out, however they still had the ability to roam the universe and earth....When the First Soul endowed creatures were made, Satan said to GOD your creation will never obey you on there own, and the story of the world of GOOD and EVIL begins...
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What a beautiful and logical explanation of why God 'allows' evil to remain on the earth. Thank you.
 Quoting: dglnomore


Ephesians 5:13 (KJV)

13 "But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light."
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Re: ****Let the Final Spiritual Battle Begin**** Satan's infiltration of the Church an the deception that everyone is going to heaven
how the bible got changed

great lecture from a Biblical Scholar


[link to www.youtube.com]

if it was changed,
then it is no longer
God's message
but man's message
and man's agenda
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Just one more note - if you get yourself Catholic bibles and books, you will find that they point out to the reader where canonical additions were made. Kind of defeats the argument that Rome is trying to deceive the reader.

Ehrmnan has a very weak faith to begin with. He clearly did not have a personal relationship with Christ. I hope that he is able to repent and see the damage that he is doing by turning people away from their faith.

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